Question about upcoming Sorc nerfs

OldGamerESO

ZOS said they would be applied after the next patch, but i can't find any information on what they will be? Is there a place I could look? Sorc is my fav character for solo stuff and I do run a pet heavy build. It seems that everyone on the forums want them hit hard with the nerf stick, i seem some posts calling for a 25 percent decrease to scamp aoe dmg, removal of shield stacking, ability to crit shields (for PvP i guess), increased resource costs, removal of dark exchange,etc. I have started adjusting gear and CP to simulate big nerfs, but I would like more info.

Its sad there is so much hate on the class, after a year of playing I have found sneaky nightblade and magicka sorc to be the most fun to play. I don't care about trials and PvP personally. But every post ZOS person does is followed by 50 complaints about sorcs, so I assume people just really hate them.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Yep, lots of PVPers hate the Sorcs. Players should stop calling for everything to be nerfed and tell ZOS to give us our toon's abilities back. ZOS may end up losing a major portion of their player base with all these nerfs going on.

Waffennacht

Don't know the number but familiar will do less damage, I believe this was stated on the most recent ESO live.

Frag will do only 10% more damage when procced

Overall sustain nerfs

Longer cast time on Dark Conversion I believe

That's all I can remember

heng14rwb17_ESO

Go sorc or go cry !

darthsithis

Scamp reduced damage, dark deal takes longer frag weaker...

They like worked so hard to make pets viable now they're like "nope, 60k dps is too much but the stam warden can do 70k because he has pets but your pets need to be doubled slotted since they are so strong but we will need them anyways did you preorder the warden? The pets only need to be on one bar and are stronger! Also crystal frags is now weaker since your pet hit hard"

Like....just make curse only give 45% damage buff to pet problem solved.

WalksonGraves

lol that 0.2 second nerf, if zos didn't tell you no one would have ever noticed.

Chilly-McFreeze

WalksonGraves wrote: »

lol that 0.2 second nerf, if zos didn't tell you no one would have ever noticed.

From: 3.0.0
Dark Exchange: This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast.

From 3.0.3
Dark Exchange: Increased the cast time of this ability and its morphs to 1.2 seconds from 1 second.
Developer Comments:
Adding an additional .2 seconds to the cast time of these abilities reduces the amount of resources they can generate when cast quickly in succession, and grants enemies more time to interrupt them.

Duh, from beginning of d/e to being able to use next ability is 1.4s now.

WalksonGraves

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

lol that 0.2 second nerf, if zos didn't tell you no one would have ever noticed.

From: 3.0.0
Dark Exchange: This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast.

From 3.0.3
Dark Exchange: Increased the cast time of this ability and its morphs to 1.2 seconds from 1 second.
Developer Comments:
Adding an additional .2 seconds to the cast time of these abilities reduces the amount of resources they can generate when cast quickly in succession, and grants enemies more time to interrupt them.

Duh, from beginning of d/e to being able to use next ability is 1.4s now.

Call me when other classes can combine both pools.

Waffennacht

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

lol that 0.2 second nerf, if zos didn't tell you no one would have ever noticed.

From: 3.0.0
Dark Exchange: This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast.

From 3.0.3
Dark Exchange: Increased the cast time of this ability and its morphs to 1.2 seconds from 1 second.
Developer Comments:
Adding an additional .2 seconds to the cast time of these abilities reduces the amount of resources they can generate when cast quickly in succession, and grants enemies more time to interrupt them.

Duh, from beginning of d/e to being able to use next ability is 1.4s now.

Call me when other classes can combine both pools.

Rally + Symmetry is a round about way for any class, or any burst heal after 4 sec that costs Stam, or Sentinel

Chilly-McFreeze

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

lol that 0.2 second nerf, if zos didn't tell you no one would have ever noticed.

From: 3.0.0
Dark Exchange: This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast.

From 3.0.3
Dark Exchange: Increased the cast time of this ability and its morphs to 1.2 seconds from 1 second.
Developer Comments:
Adding an additional .2 seconds to the cast time of these abilities reduces the amount of resources they can generate when cast quickly in succession, and grants enemies more time to interrupt them.

Duh, from beginning of d/e to being able to use next ability is 1.4s now.

Call me when other classes can combine both pools.

Call me when you stay on topic.

Reckquiem

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

lol that 0.2 second nerf, if zos didn't tell you no one would have ever noticed.

From: 3.0.0
Dark Exchange: This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast.

From 3.0.3
Dark Exchange: Increased the cast time of this ability and its morphs to 1.2 seconds from 1 second.
Developer Comments:
Adding an additional .2 seconds to the cast time of these abilities reduces the amount of resources they can generate when cast quickly in succession, and grants enemies more time to interrupt them.

Duh, from beginning of d/e to being able to use next ability is 1.4s now.

Still with this nerf, Crystal Frags and the scamp aoe they are minor nerfs. Why do people think this is super game changing and sorc is now unplayable?

Morgul667

scamp nerf (aoe damage down of 20%?)and frag nerf (25% more damage down to 10%) seems fair and enough:-)

Pet sorc were too strong they are now in a more regular place, they are still playable and enjoyable dont worry

Enough nerfs though.

Mystrius_Archaion

Reckquiem wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Still with this nerf, Crystal Frags and the scamp aoe they are minor nerfs. Why do people think this is super game changing and sorc is now unplayable?

Necroed a post from before the patch that already nerfed it?
People always argue about things to keep them as is, even if it could be a positive change. They must have already accepted it because I'm not seeing a lot of posts about it.

This thread was mostly complaining about the nerfs before they knew what they were so we can let this post fade away.

Prospero_ESO

Reckquiem wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

lol that 0.2 second nerf, if zos didn't tell you no one would have ever noticed.

From: 3.0.0
Dark Exchange: This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast.

From 3.0.3
Dark Exchange: Increased the cast time of this ability and its morphs to 1.2 seconds from 1 second.
Developer Comments:
Adding an additional .2 seconds to the cast time of these abilities reduces the amount of resources they can generate when cast quickly in succession, and grants enemies more time to interrupt them.

Duh, from beginning of d/e to being able to use next ability is 1.4s now.

Still with this nerf, Crystal Frags and the scamp aoe they are minor nerfs. Why do people think this is super game changing and sorc is now unplayable?

Because a lot of sorcs here lost their sense of realism a long time ago. It's not their fault ZOS kept this class in a more or less ridiculous state since release and with wrobel as their protector there won't be anything major done.

Chilly-McFreeze

Prospero_ESO wrote: »

Reckquiem wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

lol that 0.2 second nerf, if zos didn't tell you no one would have ever noticed.

From: 3.0.0
Dark Exchange: This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast.

From 3.0.3
Dark Exchange: Increased the cast time of this ability and its morphs to 1.2 seconds from 1 second.
Developer Comments:
Adding an additional .2 seconds to the cast time of these abilities reduces the amount of resources they can generate when cast quickly in succession, and grants enemies more time to interrupt them.

Duh, from beginning of d/e to being able to use next ability is 1.4s now.

Still with this nerf, Crystal Frags and the scamp aoe they are minor nerfs. Why do people think this is super game changing and sorc is now unplayable?

Because a lot of sorcs here lost their sense of realism a long time ago. It's not their fault ZOS kept this class in a more or less ridiculous state since release and with wrobel as their protector there won't be anything major done.

That answer is so stupid that it hurts. For the better part of the last year no mag class was near stam toons in PvP. Also:

10% less bonus damage on Frags
20% less AoE damage on Familiar's Pulse
40% longer till you can use another skill after dark exchange
Pirate Skeleton doesn't proc on shields anymore
Loss of cost reduction across the board makes triple shield stacking cost more than 12K magicka.

Please show me where the sorc core playerbase screamed about the class being unplayable now? This more reeks like you want to get of some steam.

Edit: Ah, just read some of your previous sorc related posts. I see that this is your deares opinion that it's Wrobel's crusade to have sorcs on top. No point to argue here, you will just post the same thing again and again.

Draqone

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

That answer is so stupid that it hurts. That answer is so stupid that it hurts. For the better part of the last year no mag class was near stam toons in PvP.

@Chilly-McFreeze

That answer is so stupid that it hurts. For the better part of the last year no stam class was near magicka toons in PvE. Out of the magicka toons no class was anywhere close to sorcerer.


THAT SAID!

Right now magicka is quite balanced for PvE - stamina still in the gutter though, too many encounters punish meleee range too hard.

Chilly-McFreeze

Duh, that's why I ended the sentence with "in PvP". You see in which direction my argument was heading? But feel free to change that to suit your own argument. So, if even the "best" mag class (read: mag sorc) could barely compete with stam in PvP then, they couldn't be so overpowered there, he? When did that change? With the introduction to the 8% damage bonus from destruction staff passivs (not from sorc passives). Haunting curse didn't made sorcs OP.

But I agree, mag Sorcs were/are on the top in PvE. How did we get these enourmous dps parses? When ZOS fixed a bug that deadric prey didn't affected familiars pulse. +55% on that is huge.

Point is, Sorcs recieved nerfs. I listed some of them - to claim there wasn't any nerfs is bollocks. And it's blatantly biased to play the ol' "Wrobel's pet project" card, isn't it? But the same argument was made from mag classes when stamina was dominating PvP last year. Easiest thing to back up the own argument, right?

Also, did you even read "Please show me where the sorc core playerbase screamed about the class being unplayable now?" I doubt that there was a huge outcry from Sorcs that they are unplayable now. Or did you jumped that part to get off your witty comment even faster?

Edit: Before you ask why I argument about how things were last year, bc of his sentence ".. ZOS kept this class in a more or less ridiculous state since release"