Is Alchemy too empowering in PvP?

Goshua

Poll is for the title, the rest is perhaps up for discussion.

Are poisons keeping things in check?
You can get towards a minute of benefit from pots; regeneration; lingering health etc
Potions are also almost a requirement if you don't want to be CC'd.
Will they ever fix CC?

Kas

Other

other: imho the difference between (almost free) AP pots and expensive crafted ones is just right.
no pots is, rightfully, not a sane option for proper pvp

the difference in pve is more dramatic, imho. the biggest issue there is, that there's usually only one option of pot for your build you HAVE to consume on cooldown to min/max.

pvp still gives you a choice between immovable, crit/damage (which may allow you to free up slots), tri-stat, vitality and some buffs like major expedition. MUCH better than PvE

clocksstoppe

Yes

Honestly, it is. PVP is literally unplayable without immovable pots. I wouldn't want them removed though, CC is cancer in PVP. There's a reason in next patch roll dodging is getting buffed to protect you from snares shortly. There's a reason people call that set Tumorscale. There's a reason sorcs are annoying little ***, and that is the tons of free hard cc they get on all their good skills.

ThyIronFist

Other

Potions have always been a part of Cyrodiil and it's not like alchemy is difficult to level or flowers are difficult to obtain... poisons especially the 60% cost increase poisons are just stupid.

Goshua

ThyIronFist wrote: »

Potions have always been a part of Cyrodiil and it's not like alchemy is difficult to level or flowers are difficult to obtain... poisons especially the 60% cost increase poisons are just stupid.

I'm assuming with regenerating potions this would effectively be 40%?

Pixel_Zealot

Well if it is they'll end up nerfing it in PVE

danno8

Goshua wrote: »

ThyIronFist wrote: »

Potions have always been a part of Cyrodiil and it's not like alchemy is difficult to level or flowers are difficult to obtain... poisons especially the 60% cost increase poisons are just stupid.

I'm assuming with regenerating potions this would effectively be 40%?

Not really.

Say you have something that costs 2000 magicka and you have 1500 magicka regeneration. With a cost increase poison on you that 2000 is now 3200. With a regeneration potion your regeneration is now 1800.

300 more magicka every 2 seconds (150/second) is hardly equal to 1200 more drain per second (assuming average cost is 2000 and you hit a skill once per second on GCD)

Cost poisons are extremely potent.

danno8

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Honestly, it is. PVP is literally unplayable without immovable pots. I wouldn't want them removed though, CC is cancer in PVP. There's a reason in next patch roll dodging is getting buffed to protect you from snares shortly. There's a reason people call that set Tumorscale. There's a reason sorcs are annoying little ***, and that is the tons of free hard cc they get on all their good skills.

Well I play without immovable potions all the time so PvP can not possibly be "literally unplayable" without them. 16 seconds out of 45 seconds of immovable is nice, but hardly makes or breaks PvP.

DocFrost72

If it isn't a light attack, it is OP. You just have to find someone who lost because of it.

Goshua

danno8 wrote: »

Goshua wrote: »

ThyIronFist wrote: »

Potions have always been a part of Cyrodiil and it's not like alchemy is difficult to level or flowers are difficult to obtain... poisons especially the 60% cost increase poisons are just stupid.

I'm assuming with regenerating potions this would effectively be 40%?

Not really.

Say you have something that costs 2000 magicka and you have 1500 magicka regeneration. With a cost increase poison on you that 2000 is now 3200. With a regeneration potion your regeneration is now 1800.

300 more magicka every 2 seconds (150/second) is hardly equal to 1200 more drain per second (assuming average cost is 2000 and you hit a skill once per second on GCD)

Cost poisons are extremely potent.

makes sense when I don't think about it

Goshua

yes bumping, I'm interested in more opinions.

Wolfenbelle

No

OP, why don't you PvP players just demand that ZOS separate PvP and PvE balancing, then demand that they make it so all PvP players can't kill other players. Poof! All PvP problems fixed. This would be a whole lot better than dealing with the constant nerfs ZOS comes up with to try to keep you PvPers happy.

Gilvoth

No

just the COST Increase poisens, nothing more.

Avran_Sylt

No

% Resource Cost poisons got nerfed to only be 30% from 60%

Goshua

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

OP, why don't you PvP players just demand that ZOS separate PvP and PvE balancing, then demand that they make it so all PvP players can't kill other players. Poof! All PvP problems fixed. This would be a whole lot better than dealing with the constant nerfs ZOS comes up with to try to keep you PvPers happy.

We have haven't we?

I agree a lot about cost reduction potions the majority of us do. I think they have a place but not as disabling as they are.
I admit I try some weird and wonderful concoctions other than impairing cost which unfortunately are just the best thing to use if you don't mind being hated on.

DMuehlhausen

No

If everyone has access to something it can't really be empowering.

If people choose not to use the potions, or the same one as other people or the best one, whatever then that is there choice.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

No

I'll save everyone a lot of time. There are only 3 potions that you should use in PVP.

- Immovable + health + health recover + stamina/magicka + stamina/magicka recovery
- Invisibility + speed
- One of those 4 way potions that gives you stamina/magicka and all the associated bonuses that you might need if you do not have skills to proc stuff like +20% spell/weapon power

Nothing else matters unless your build is REALLY weird. I could see a tank using that one super health potion but it would have to be like that.

Poisons though ... poisons be cray-cray. There are a few that can straight out obliterate people. My favorite? The one that roots you for almost 6 seconds.

Prof_Bawbag

DocFrost72 wrote: »

If it isn't a light attack, it is OP. You just have to find someone who lost because of it.

Not a truer word spoken or typed for that matter.

idk

No

I guess if someone doesn't use poisons then they may find themselves at a disadvantage. Not much different that not using armor or a set bonus on the armor.

Goshua

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I'll save everyone a lot of time. There are only 3 potions that you should use in PVP.

- Immovable + health + health recover + stamina/magicka + stamina/magicka recovery
- Invisibility + speed
- One of those 4 way potions that gives you stamina/magicka and all the associated bonuses that you might need if you do not have skills to proc stuff like +20% spell/weapon power

Nothing else matters unless your build is REALLY weird. I could see a tank using that one super health potion but it would have to be like that.

Poisons though ... poisons be cray-cray. There are a few that can straight out obliterate people. My favorite? The one that roots you for almost 6 seconds.

Entrapping poison. Would you rather have your resources drained?

Rinmaethodain

No

I thought i wont live till this day

when PVPers come and make a thread that crafting profession is OP

not, poisons, not "drain resource" trait,

no, they claim that whole alchemy is too OP

Shadow_Viper_vX

No

It's Fine, Learn to Play

Adapt and Overcome

Stop Crying...

Tommy_The_Gun

Other

Alchemy makes a lot of difference between a "solo" player and a rich "PvP guild" player.
I had like 3 stacks (200 each stack) of health potions.... all gone in like 2 - 4h in PvP. In PvE - that kind of consumption is almost impossible. But recourse potions are not the ones that breaks the game....
it is the anti CC potions...
Immovable / Unstoppable simply makes some of the skills and even playstyles useless...

Because what can you do when you fight against a zerg that has those potions ? If you are not a sorcerer and you don't have a negate: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Negate+Magic
all you can do is watch or go away...

Goshua

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

It's Fine, Learn to Play

Adapt and Overcome

Stop Crying...

no tears here.