Suggestion for Woodelf And Khajiit Racial Passive Change.

Miruku

Hey guys, after reading that they are changing the sneak crit modifier. It appears ZOS want to "nerf" sneak damage I was thinking if it would be a good change for Woodelf and Khajiit to get their racial passives for increased sneak damage changed to be % increase to poison and disease damage(Maybe 5%). If not Khajiit for RP reasons then at least Woodelf maybe?

I personally think this would be a good change for PVE and PVP would bridge the gap in PVE for stamina builds as it appears the game is shifting a elemental way of doing damage also magicka being top dog in PVE 2 patches now. In PVP disease isn't exactly used outside of skills like Incapacitating strike and killers blade, also the DK poisons abilitys. Giving these races a added boost would be a nice change and also fit in with what ZOS seem to want to do. What do you think?

The patch notes for anyone that isn't aware.
"Sneak attacks no longer grant a bonus to Critical Damage when used against other players. Sneak attacks will continue to guarantee a Critical Strike and stun the target, and will also still grant a bonus to Critical Damage when used against monsters.

Shadow_Viper_vX

Racial Passives are fine as is

No change needed

Twohothardware

I definitely would like to see the Stealthy passive adjusted to offer something else that better benefits that race across all classes. This is a situational passive that really holds no benefit outside of on a Nightblade and Stealth in general is a mechanic that's useless for PvE end game content.

PlagueSD

Racial passives are fine. I use poison on my weapons and Syvarra's Scale 5pc proc...the way a Nightblade should use poison. Groups of mobs tend to go boom fast..

Toc de Malsvi

This passive has only ever been very useful for ganking in PVP. If they continue on the line towards removing ganking they really should redesign this passive.

IcyDeadPeople

I'd suggest adjust khajiit carnage passive so it gives you spell crit as well as weapon crit.

playsforfun

I like this idea zos get working on it

Gilliamtherogue

I would love to see something done with the Stealthy passives in the game at the moment. Currently Stealth is a non-existent mechanic in non-questing PvE, and remains one of the most frustrating systems to be on the receiving end on in PvP. Reworking Stealth as a whole would do wonders for the game, both in PvE and PvP. Retracting from burst damage, and instead awarding weaving in and out of stealth to gain temporary buffs seems like a much better system in terms of interacting with the current game play.

That being said; redesigning the racials would be one of the 2ndary steps; removing front loaded "burst" amps, and instead giving temporary or sustained amps. This could be done in a variety of ways, which could either incorporate a redesigned stealth system, or something completely different.

Non Stealth Approach

Giving Wood Elves a minor Poison and Disease damage (from a lore standpoint it makes total sense, they're forest dwelling beings who hunt regularly. Understanding poisons and diseases is one of their fortes). I'd think 3% of each would be a solid start.

Khajiits in previous games have always had amplifications to melee damage in some sort. Either higher raw efficiency, or flat damage added to unarmed. While unarmed doesn't exist in the game, having it apply to Melee bound attacks would still make sense. Adding a small % chance to apply a Bleed would be a unique and very potent tool with some builds. Adding a modifier to Bleed damage could also work, but would remain rather niche. Or playing into the Critical Strike setup we have now, reintroducing the old Critical Hit Modifier bonus would be very helpful to PvE and PvP players, as well as incentivizing Khajiits to Caster/Magicka based builds as well.

Stealth Approach

If ZoS were to redesign Stealth to operate as a buff system that gave unique advantages and disadvantages to the player for both actively sneaking, and being out of stealth- this route would have almost endless possibilities in terms of racial bonuses playing into that favor. Simple duration or potency increases to whatever buff is associated with both could be fun, or adding additional mechanics for successful sneak attacks as well. Again, this would rely heavily on a redesigned Stealth system, as currently Stealth is either too damn weak, or too damn toxic.

Miruku

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

I would love to see something done with the Stealthy passives in the game at the moment. Currently Stealth is a non-existent mechanic in non-questing PvE, and remains one of the most frustrating systems to be on the receiving end on in PvP. Reworking Stealth as a whole would do wonders for the game, both in PvE and PvP. Retracting from burst damage, and instead awarding weaving in and out of stealth to gain temporary buffs seems like a much better system in terms of interacting with the current game play.

That being said; redesigning the racials would be one of the 2ndary steps; removing front loaded "burst" amps, and instead giving temporary or sustained amps. This could be done in a variety of ways, which could either incorporate a redesigned stealth system, or something completely different.

Non Stealth Approach

Giving Wood Elves a minor Poison and Disease damage (from a lore standpoint it makes total sense, they're forest dwelling beings who hunt regularly. Understanding poisons and diseases is one of their fortes). I'd think 3% of each would be a solid start.

Khajiits in previous games have always had amplifications to melee damage in some sort. Either higher raw efficiency, or flat damage added to unarmed. While unarmed doesn't exist in the game, having it apply to Melee bound attacks would still make sense. Adding a small % chance to apply a Bleed would be a unique and very potent tool with some builds. Adding a modifier to Bleed damage could also work, but would remain rather niche. Or playing into the Critical Strike setup we have now, reintroducing the old Critical Hit Modifier bonus would be very helpful to PvE and PvP players, as well as incentivizing Khajiits to Caster/Magicka based builds as well.

Stealth Approach

If ZoS were to redesign Stealth to operate as a buff system that gave unique advantages and disadvantages to the player for both actively sneaking, and being out of stealth- this route would have almost endless possibilities in terms of racial bonuses playing into that favor. Simple duration or potency increases to whatever buff is associated with both could be fun, or adding additional mechanics for successful sneak attacks as well. Again, this would rely heavily on a redesigned Stealth system, as currently Stealth is either too damn weak, or too damn toxic.

Well said. It does make sense to from a lore and pov and it would find a place and work if zos continue toning down stealth dmg.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

Racial Passives are fine as is

No change needed

No they are Not, Khajiit are the only race in the entire game without an Attribute bonus, some races have two Attribute bonuses, health would be fine..

max_only

Cannibalism please and thanks.

Khajiit can have the fall damage reduction. Just replace it with the ability for Bosmer to cannibalize fallen foes.

Kram8ion

max_only wrote: »

Cannibalism please and thanks.

Khajiit can have the fall damage reduction. Just replace it with the ability for Bosmer to cannibalize fallen foes.

Yes t bagging is so 2016 I'd like the option to eat my foes
Nom nom nom

Nyghthowler

Kram8ion wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Cannibalism please and thanks.

Khajiit can have the fall damage reduction. Just replace it with the ability for Bosmer to cannibalize fallen foes.

Yes t bagging is so 2016 I'd like the option to eat my foes
Nom nom nom

LMAO! Some one pass the BBQ sauce.

Leogon

Khajiit should get some max health. Max stam would make them OP because of their 8% crit but max health would give them a bit more survivability without making them OP.

Vanthras79

What about a bow damage buff for wood elves and a duel wield buff for khajiit? yes?

Vanthras79

This one wonders what the great Men'do thinks.

@Recremen

Juhasow

I would love to see Argonian having passives improving their ganking posibilities. Would be nice to have some magicka race that have benefits to ganking.

Runschei

Juhasow wrote: »

I would love to see Argonian having passives improving their ganking posibilities. Would be nice to have some magicka race that have benefits to ganking.

Why embrace ganking when zos clearly tries to get rid of it? O.o

Soleya

Vanthras79 wrote: »

What about a bow damage buff for wood elves and a duel wield buff for khajiit? yes?

I can't figure out why High Elf gets elemental damage bonus, dark elf gets fire damage bonus, but wood elf doesn't get bow damage bonus.

Runschei

Soleya wrote: »

Vanthras79 wrote: »

What about a bow damage buff for wood elves and a duel wield buff for khajiit? yes?

I can't figure out why High Elf gets elemental damage bonus, dark elf gets fire damage bonus, but wood elf doesn't get bow damage bonus.

Well, at least we get 15% increased experience with the bow skill line. Close enough ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Aliyavana

A bosmer poison bonus would make for great stam dks. Seeing as dunmer fit nicely for Mag dk a bosmer stam dk would be cool

GhostwalkerLD

I'd rather not have a racial bonus that is so comparatively limiting. Why force khajiit to use dual-wield? I'd be more in favor of revising the carnage line to indeed grant both weapon crit AND spell crit, and thus keep it versatile and allow players to choose their preferred style.

As far as ZOS doing away with PVP ganking (but still keeping PVE ganking..) I'm actually in favor of that -mindset-. As I and many others have been clamoring for since the game began: KEEP PVP AND PVE SEPARATE. This way PVE players don't have to suffer yet another line of PVP-inspired nerfs when they never venture into Cyrodiil anyway.

I've been playing since early access as a khajiit magicka templar and it's flipping ridiculous how much they've been nerfed over and over and over and over again since the game began, all because of whiners from PVP.

Onefrkncrzypope

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

I would love to see something done with the Stealthy passives in the game at the moment. Currently Stealth is a non-existent mechanic in non-questing PvE, and remains one of the most frustrating systems to be on the receiving end on in PvP. Reworking Stealth as a whole would do wonders for the game, both in PvE and PvP. Retracting from burst damage, and instead awarding weaving in and out of stealth to gain temporary buffs seems like a much better system in terms of interacting with the current game play.

That being said; redesigning the racials would be one of the 2ndary steps; removing front loaded "burst" amps, and instead giving temporary or sustained amps. This could be done in a variety of ways, which could either incorporate a redesigned stealth system, or something completely different.

Non Stealth Approach

Giving Wood Elves a minor Poison and Disease damage (from a lore standpoint it makes total sense, they're forest dwelling beings who hunt regularly. Understanding poisons and diseases is one of their fortes). I'd think 3% of each would be a solid start.

Khajiits in previous games have always had amplifications to melee damage in some sort. Either higher raw efficiency, or flat damage added to unarmed. While unarmed doesn't exist in the game, having it apply to Melee bound attacks would still make sense. Adding a small % chance to apply a Bleed would be a unique and very potent tool with some builds. Adding a modifier to Bleed damage could also work, but would remain rather niche. Or playing into the Critical Strike setup we have now, reintroducing the old Critical Hit Modifier bonus would be very helpful to PvE and PvP players, as well as incentivizing Khajiits to Caster/Magicka based builds as well.

Stealth Approach

If ZoS were to redesign Stealth to operate as a buff system that gave unique advantages and disadvantages to the player for both actively sneaking, and being out of stealth- this route would have almost endless possibilities in terms of racial bonuses playing into that favor. Simple duration or potency increases to whatever buff is associated with both could be fun, or adding additional mechanics for successful sneak attacks as well. Again, this would rely heavily on a redesigned Stealth system, as currently Stealth is either too damn weak, or too damn toxic.

If they give some survivability for nb in PvP maybe. When I gank, If the victim doesn't die, I'm dead.

As for answer to ganking. When I'm on my Sorc I use rune prison and on my do I keep my spiked armor up. Plus there is way too many things that break stealth. The reply that I don't want to slot something just for nightblades is a bit selfish. People rather the whole game change instead

Stealth in pve does need a revamp. But they would need a Stam morph so that both resource based classes could utilize the ability.

Lynx7386

My suggestions:

Bosmer - replace the sneak passive with:
Cannibalism: restores 10% of your max health when you kill an enemy.

Khajiit - replace the sneak passive with:
Night eye: increases your physical penetration based on level.

Toc de Malsvi

Lynx7386 wrote: »

My suggestions:

Bosmer - replace the sneak passive with:
Cannibalism: restores 10% of your max health when you kill an enemy.

Khajiit - replace the sneak passive with:
Night eye: increases your physical penetration based on level.

I can't agree with this at all.

Khajit is the go to for stam dps as it is, increasing their penetration would only make that worse.

Bosmer have great sustain with stam recover and max stam, we do not need more sustain through health return from killing enemies.


I would propose:

Khajit get 5% more health, and 2% movement speed.

Bosmer get 3% poison and disease damage, and 2% damage from 15m or further.

Tasear

Still crossing thumbs and hoping on falling stars that bosmer gets a pet bonus racial passive. It makes more sense than fall damage >.>

scipionumatia

This is a really good idea, id say khajiit should get a penetration bonus and bosmer should get +4% to poison, disease, physical damage to be in line with altmer. However both altmer and bosmer are a part of the same alliance so for those who don't have access to "any race any alliance" will be more inclined to pick AD for dps reasons.
Another option I just thought of is giving a racial passive that increases damage for ranged attacks (similar how orc gets increase on melee attacks.)

Racials need a change, Bosmer, and nord specifically.

Pls help nord :P

Avran_Sylt

Completely gut the racial passive system such that it only minorly benefits Resource regen/ Cost reduction. Then allow the players to make a "Lifestyle/Personality" selection when first talking to the Vestige/ Talking with the passanger. These "Lifestyle/Personality" choices could be locked behind the requirement of regaining your soul (Finishing the main Story). Or not locked at all.

These "Lifestyle/Personality Choices" Could be such things as:

Combat:
Swordsman: Deal [x]% more damage with melee attacks
Archer: Deal [x]% more damage with Bows
Mage: Deal [x]% more damage with Elemental Attacks
Conditioned: Reduce Stamina Costs by [x]%
Scholar: Reduce Magicka Costs by [x]%
Athletic: Increase Max Stamina by [x]%
Brawny: Increase Max Health by [x]%
Intelligent: Increase Max Magicka by [x]%
Spry: Increase Stamina Regen by [x]%
Hearty: Increase Health Regen by [x]%
Clear Minded: Increase Magicka Regen by [x]%
Pyromaniac: Increase Flame Damage by [x]%
Electric: Increase Shock Damage by [x]%
Frigid: Increase Cold Damage by [x]%
Toxic: Increase Poison Damage by [x]%
Assassin: Increase Potency and Duration of poisons by [x]% and [y] seconds.
Carnage: Increase Weapon critical by [x]%
Elemental Precision: Increase Spell Critical by [x]%

etc.
etc.


Non-Combat:
Footpad: Reduced Detection Radius
Cutpurse: Increased Pickpocket Chance
Locksmith: Increased Force Lock Chance
Merchant: Sell Items for [x]% more and buy items for [x]% less
Harvester: Increase Node yields by 1
Alchemist: Increase Potion Effects by 2 seconds.
Connoisseur: Increase the Duration of consumed foods and drinks by [x] minutes.

and other things like that.

acw37162

Khajitt should get 8% weapon crit or 8% spell crit depending on which of your max stats is higher.

All the passives for Khajitt are stam or magica ambitious except for the crit chance.

WalksonGraves

Most people complaining about this nerf don't know enough about the sneak attack mechanic to know what has been removed.

Juhasow

Runschei wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

I would love to see Argonian having passives improving their ganking posibilities. Would be nice to have some magicka race that have benefits to ganking.

Why embrace ganking when zos clearly tries to get rid of it? O.o

Ballancing someting to not beeing brainlesly OP is not the same thing as getting rid of something.