Sustain set for a Tank-Healer

Narvuntien

So I am building a Breton Templar Tank and Healer (Mostly BoL spam). I was intending it for PVE (But I have heard it is good in PVP)

So I am using Spectre's eye heavy as my crafted set. I know It is odd but its the only set with Physical resistance, Health and Magicka. And even though the evasion is short it will still allow me to take less damage. And Engine Guardian monster helm.

Now I am trying to decide wether to go with Bloodthorn or Desert Rose as my sustain set. Bloodthorn gives me back stamina, but I am wasting the spell damage and I am worried about my health (I would probably have to rejig my stat points). It will always trigger and is not a proc. Whille desert rose will allow me to spam more but it gives me more spell resistance and as a Breton I run right into the cap pretty easily. Also it is anti-synergy with spectres eyes dodge chance. Now I have tested it and if I put no CP into spell sheild and all into heavy armor and hardy I can get my physical resistance up to 32k (with channeled focus)

If you know other other combinations that would allow me to get to the required numbers of Health, magicka/magicka regen, spell and physical resistance. I prefer one crafted and one dropped so that I can select the right traits.

Vildebill

On my breton templar tankhealer I use 5pc seducer as main sustain set and combines with SPC for dungeons. Used to have engine guardian but since it's non repentable nowadays you could use something else, preferably with mag recovery like 1pc shadowrend and something else.

Desert rose sounds like a good set for PvP in this setup combined with seducer.

Narvuntien

Okay I I ran the Desert Rose build through vet pleadges today. With another full healer.

0 Magicka problems, I could spam BoL all day
Lots of Stamina problems but trash Stam pots were good enough. Only Valkan Skoria was a problem, we replaced our dps with a high cp one and we cleared first try after that.

I suspose I can replace my Mag Regen enchants on my jewellery for Sheild Play ones to reduce the pressure on my stamina. But then my great mag regen is lost.

I kind of felt like I prefered inner fire to piece armor , but that seems wrong, but stamina issues. i have piece on front bar and inner fire on the back bar.



You can see there my physical resistance is a bit low and that is because I need a heavy engine gaurdian piece (then preferably a medium one as well) for the heavy armor focus to trigger. Once I get the piece I want I will also enchant the helmet in prismatic.

Magdalina

I'd say Lich is better than Rose with its 4 second nerf, that aside it actually looks pretty good Love heal tanks, fast and easy dungeon runs.

Narvuntien

So apperently my health is low

I had someone rage at me for getting one shot in spindleclutch. They switched to tank and I to healer to finish it.

I enchanted with shielding glyphs but then I had a lot of issue with magicka so I now have one shielding glyph and two magicka regen giving me 1315 mag regen.

Part of the issue is that I have arcane jewerely when I need healthy jewellery to get enough health .

Lich has such a long cooldown I am not sure about it.. also no health bonus on the set. I'd probably have to switch to alessia's bulwulk to run lich.

Jonno

dont use inner fire instead pierce armour is much better as it debuffs the resistances of the boss alowing better damage from your dps

Waffennacht

Jonno wrote: »

dont use inner fire instead pierce armour is much better as it debuffs the resistances of the boss alowing better damage from your dps

You can run both for the rage synergy and as range taunt + alternative cost

Jonno

Waffennacht wrote: »

Jonno wrote: »

dont use inner fire instead pierce armour is much better as it debuffs the resistances of the boss alowing better damage from your dps

You can run both for the rage synergy and as range taunt + alternative cost

yes i meant dont just outright swap one for the other

Waffennacht

I run Akaviri Dragon and Pariah with bloodspawn. SnB + Resto, I try to keep a high up time on Light's Champion, the resto heavy and/or Spell Symmetry keep my sustain going.

If you need you can slot Engine Guardian and Spell Symmetry, this will sustain you without a healer, same with sentinel

Magdalina

Narvuntien wrote: »

So apperently my health is low

I had someone rage at me for getting one shot in spindleclutch. They switched to tank and I to healer to finish it.

I enchanted with shielding glyphs but then I had a lot of issue with magicka so I now have one shielding glyph and two magicka regen giving me 1315 mag regen.

Part of the issue is that I have arcane jewerely when I need healthy jewellery to get enough health .

Lich has such a long cooldown I am not sure about it.. also no health bonus on the set. I'd probably have to switch to alessia's bulwulk to run lich.

What was it, 24k health? Shouldn't be getting one shotted in Spindle I for sure, did you stand in last boss' aoe? ...wait was that actually Spindle I or II?

You also have pretty high magicka, what's Annulment's value for you? It could help you survive one shots. Part of tanking is knowing what can and what cannot one shot you, so basically which mechanics you can afford to ignore or just face tank with block and which you have to dodge. Example, if I tank on my 43k health blazeplar, Kheph's aoe won't one shot me if I block+shield it, it will put me really low if I block but don't shield and it will one-shot me if I don't block nor shield. Now that otherwise harmless giant spider's aoe? It will one shot me even with shield and block, I still have to dodge it(I did stand there on purpose my first run there to figure that one out )

Far as Lich/Rose goes, Lich does have a cooldown (but a high magicka pool actually makes it that much stronger - Lich simply lets you regenerate all of your magicka back to full during its proc), but I have huge doubts about Desert with that cooldown too. It requires multiple hits to proc even after the cooldown is over, which I suppose could work in a trash pull/boss with multitude of ads, but most bosses won't be hitting you often enough to proc it sufficiently I think. I suppose you'd have to test both to see which is actually better on boss fights...and if they don't both get outdone by Seducer

soll

hey! my friend made a good build for templar tank-healer hybrid, take a look he uses alteration mastery, which going to get buffed in morrowind, because it will provide cost reduction to block and etc.

however, we didn't test it for morrowind, need to think on improvements with sustain for next patch, but in homestead works awesome.
here is link :

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/334978/build-pve-hybrid-tank-healer-for-fast-3-dd-groups-vdsa-approved#latest

ps– argonians do works better because of the tri stat potion. That's main solution for this lack of resource problem. Also, he uses mist form as "mana block" for several mechanics in boss fights, but you need to know when you can use it, and when not. also, in mist form you can regen stam.

Narvuntien

Ah! Harness Magicka! i forgot about that.

I did have dragongaurd, I was running around with dragongaurd (random gear) and bloodthorn until I crafted my spectres eye. But I have never run this character in pvp for warhorn. So I was just using the templar ultimates which have super low costs that the reduction doesn't mean much, also I thought it was for dragonknight tanks where using an ultimate gives back resources.

Interesting I am running the Absorb Magic on my bar just for the block cost reduction but it doesn't look like others have used it.

Your Magicka regen is really insanely high though which does make alteration mastery kind of interesting but the spell crit is kind of wasted.

re-enforced over infused hmm... I wonder how it would change if I ran Nirnhorned on my Spectres eye instead of infused then allow me to run something like

I think a re jig of my base stats to get more health might be the best option. I haven't even ran all the dugeons yet. I basically know none of the mechanics of the dungeons .

Well I did well in the first set of dungeons because there was a lot of fire in CoA2 that just ticks for desert rose while Spindleclutch 1 does not.

There is probably a way to re-arrange all my gear to try lich and still get the required stats.

GrumpyDuckling

soll wrote: »

hey! my friend made a good build for templar tank-healer hybrid, take a look he uses alteration mastery, which going to get buffed in morrowind, because it will provide cost reduction to block and etc.

however, we didn't test it for morrowind, need to think on improvements with sustain for next patch, but in homestead works awesome.
here is link :

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/334978/build-pve-hybrid-tank-healer-for-fast-3-dd-groups-vdsa-approved#latest

ps– argonians do works better because of the tri stat potion. That's main solution for this lack of resource problem. Also, he uses mist form as "mana block" for several mechanics in boss fights, but you need to know when you can use it, and when not. also, in mist form you can regen stam.

I agree about Alteration Mastery. It'll help a little bit with your stamina needs, while still giving you strong enough magicka return.

Rev Rielle

Just on one thing you've said: If you're having Stamina issues it's likely you're blocking FAR too much. That's what our armour is for - to soak up damage - Block only when you NEED to (i.e. to stop the one-shot attacks, prevent CC etc), and bash when you need (i.e. to interrupt the telegraphed special attacks).

It seems the number one mistake that most tanks make; they block so much when it's not necessary.

Additionally, just looking at what you've shared: I think personally you'd be far better served ditching the sword and shield and frost-staff tanking. Don't let others put you off; it can work brilliantly.

Narvuntien

So I did some fiddling about to get more health. the issue was that my light armor rings are arcane when I really need to have heathly jewlery.

So I have done away with any sustain set for now, but i still have to test it, I might go back to engine gaudian if it is an issue.
Spectres eye and Dragongaurd for reduced ulti cd. I don't have Warhorn yet so Nova for the AoE Maim it is.

I don't have all the mages guild or undaunted passives yet which will increase my total resources.

I think I might make myself protection stamina (health or magicka) potions they are possible to make right?

I have basically going to be more of a tank now, the brutal sustain, blocking and templar changes have made it rather hard to do both.. but I can still use breath of life for group healing.

Qbiken

As for the PvP aspect the combo with Specter´s Eye (love this set) with Desert rose isn´t that "anti-synergy" as you might think. If you Dodge an attack --> no damage. If you do get hit you have quite a big chance to get Resources back. And since there´s a cooldown on Specter´s Eye and Desert rose they can synergies very well (unless you have bad luck to have them on cooldown at the same time, but even then it´s a 3 second window anyway).

Will actually try this setup in PvP. Thank you for sharing @Narvuntien