Why hybrid spec is not considered viable for leveling ?

vpy

Just wanted to ask you fine folks as I dont have much experience in ESO.

My NB is lvl 29.

I have 50% of attributes in Magicka and 50% attributes in Stamina.

I run a Weapon/Resto staff combo and it works very very well

Pros

+ Near perma cloak
+ Amazing surviability from Resto staff especially the ward..man i love it
+ Refreshing Path/Strife heals lot higher
+ Handle any number of mobs...Pretty tanky

Cons

I did observe a very minimal dmg reduction like 15% (that is not too bad for solo leveling via questing)

This is just from my experience.

So far I have been having great fun.

My Q is why hybrid specs are not even considered.
Even in forums when people discuss classes or specs they just go either full magicka or stam....is it because they consider only the end game stuff ??

SirAndy

vpy wrote: »

Why hybrid spec is not considered viable for leveling ?

Considered by whom?

Luckily for me, none of my 8 characters got that memo when i created them at PC launch.

GrumpyDuckling

Hybrid is perfectly fine while leveling. It's when you queue as damage in veteran content, especially Veteran Maelstrom arena, is when you'll start to feel those hybrid pains.

KingYogi415

Hybrids work great!

Ignore anyone who kicks you from group for "lack of dps."

They are just jealous of how much fun your build is.

Cheers!

geonsocal

to answer your question - yes, i think you're right, a lot of folks on the forums focus on end game content...

I found the best places to test gear and builds are the vet undaunted dungeons, small scale pvp and to some extent public dungeons...

overland, delves, to a lesser extent world bosses, zerg surfing are tough places to tell how effective your build is...

it seems easier to build for sustain, defense than to be able to put out enough damage to kill more of the end game content...

for the most part - to put out a high amount of damage, it really helps a lot if you've stuck at least 50 to 64 points in either stamina or magic, and, you are getting a crit bonus and, sad to say, an armor damage bonus...

one the other hand though - I have more fun at times playing my stampler and stam dk just because they do utilize both resources pools in their damage abilities...

Lavennin

It's perfectly fine. My friend forgot to assign attribute points entirely and has been doing okay.

KochDerDamonen

You can do whatever you want while doing overworld content, just make sure you have some kind of survivability (health, defense, shields, heals, whatever) or a huge amount of damage.

However, at the end of it you will not have levelled the things you need for group content or harder solo content.

wenchmore420b14_ESO

I made a hybrid sorc at launch and ran it for over 2 years. All my guildies and friends told me I can't do that and told me to run a all stam or magic sorc. I wouldn't listen because I was loving having a hybrid/50-50 toon.
Then I ran (Pre Nerf) vWGT, Trials, vICP, vDSA, PvP 1vx, etc.
I embarrassed myself SO bad in front of a GM of a new guild I joined and had all my current guildies refused to do delvs with me as I couldn't get past the first boss . Then I did go full StamSorc. Was amazed my DPS went from avg 7-12k dps to 20 - 60k dps,( with burst DPS of 80K+).
Yes, for leveling a hybrid can work, but not against a boss with 5+ million health.
And remember, you damage out put is based of how much Stam or Magic you have points in. By going 50/50 you are only getting half the amount of DPS you can do.

SteveCampsOut

vpy wrote: »

Just wanted to ask you fine folks as I dont have much experience in ESO.

My NB is lvl 29.

I have 50% of attributes in Magicka and 50% attributes in Stamina.

I run a Weapon/Resto staff combo and it works very very well

Pros

+ Near perma cloak
+ Amazing surviability from Resto staff especially the ward..man i love it
+ Refreshing Path/Strife heals lot higher
+ Handle any number of mobs...Pretty tanky

Cons

I did observe a very minimal dmg reduction like 15% (that is not too bad for solo leveling via questing)

This is just from my experience.

So far I have been having great fun.

My Q is why hybrid specs are not even considered.
Even in forums when people discuss classes or specs they just go either full magicka or stam....is it because they consider only the end game stuff ??

Well first of all, those of us who run only Hybrid's don't normally talk to Min/Maxers because of, well, you know, the attitude that they exude. I run 45M10H45S on ALL of my characters. ALL OF THEM. I do just fine in PVE. I will caveat that I don't do trials or most group content, mostly because of the a fore mentioned 'Attitudes" that I run across unless I'm with guild mates. Run what you like. That's my advice.

KochDerDamonen

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

vpy wrote: »

Just wanted to ask you fine folks as I dont have much experience in ESO.

My NB is lvl 29.

I have 50% of attributes in Magicka and 50% attributes in Stamina.

I run a Weapon/Resto staff combo and it works very very well

Pros

+ Near perma cloak
+ Amazing surviability from Resto staff especially the ward..man i love it
+ Refreshing Path/Strife heals lot higher
+ Handle any number of mobs...Pretty tanky

Cons

I did observe a very minimal dmg reduction like 15% (that is not too bad for solo leveling via questing)

This is just from my experience.

So far I have been having great fun.

My Q is why hybrid specs are not even considered.
Even in forums when people discuss classes or specs they just go either full magicka or stam....is it because they consider only the end game stuff ??

Well first of all, those of us who run only Hybrid's don't normally talk to Min/Maxers because of, well, you know, the attitude that they exude. I run 45M10H45S on ALL of my characters. ALL OF THEM. I do just fine in PVE. I will caveat that I don't do trials or most group content, mostly because of the a fore mentioned 'Attitudes" that I run across unless I'm with guild mates. Run what you like. That's my advice.

@SteveCampsOut
You don't have to be a total min/maxer to dump all (most) points into one resource. Usually when I play with a max/minner (tm) [new official title for hybrid mains], they will give me attitude for simply asking them to slot a spell that does aoe damage or if they have food on or something. I usually don't notice that they're hybrid until I've asked them a question I would ask anyone who's dying a bit much or not appearing to contribute, and get totally reeeee'd at for daring to question them.

(Before #NotAllHybrids): Yes I know, some people build this sort of way and try to make some semblence of sense out of it. Good for you, I probably wouldn't be asking you those questions then because you would be performing well. So it doesn't really apply to you, hypothetical Dr. #NotAll whom I just invented and am not inferring that the post I am responding to is, does it?

DragonBound

vpy wrote: »

Just wanted to ask you fine folks as I dont have much experience in ESO.

My NB is lvl 29.

I have 50% of attributes in Magicka and 50% attributes in Stamina.

I run a Weapon/Resto staff combo and it works very very well

Pros

+ Near perma cloak
+ Amazing surviability from Resto staff especially the ward..man i love it
+ Refreshing Path/Strife heals lot higher
+ Handle any number of mobs...Pretty tanky

Cons

I did observe a very minimal dmg reduction like 15% (that is not too bad for solo leveling via questing)

This is just from my experience.

So far I have been having great fun.

My Q is why hybrid specs are not even considered.
Even in forums when people discuss classes or specs they just go either full magicka or stam....is it because they consider only the end game stuff ??

There is indeed a drastic difference in your performance when you choose two stats if your not tanking anyways, but I think zos may have plans to bring hybrids into light more, did you see the new gear sets yet?

DragonBound

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

vpy wrote: »

Just wanted to ask you fine folks as I dont have much experience in ESO.

My NB is lvl 29.

I have 50% of attributes in Magicka and 50% attributes in Stamina.

I run a Weapon/Resto staff combo and it works very very well

Pros

+ Near perma cloak
+ Amazing surviability from Resto staff especially the ward..man i love it
+ Refreshing Path/Strife heals lot higher
+ Handle any number of mobs...Pretty tanky

Cons

I did observe a very minimal dmg reduction like 15% (that is not too bad for solo leveling via questing)

This is just from my experience.

So far I have been having great fun.

My Q is why hybrid specs are not even considered.
Even in forums when people discuss classes or specs they just go either full magicka or stam....is it because they consider only the end game stuff ??

Well first of all, those of us who run only Hybrid's don't normally talk to Min/Maxers because of, well, you know, the attitude that they exude. I run 45M10H45S on ALL of my characters. ALL OF THEM. I do just fine in PVE. I will caveat that I don't do trials or most group content, mostly because of the a fore mentioned 'Attitudes" that I run across unless I'm with guild mates. Run what you like. That's my advice.

So how do you know you do so well in any content that truly matters if you do not do it anyways?

Phinix1

Pretty much anything you enjoy is perfectly "viable" for solo play. It is only in group content and particularly veteran mode dungeons and trials of any kind where hybrid builds become somewhat of a burden on the group. *

The reasons are multi-fold, but center around one specific mechanic:
- Damage and healing of abilities (also shields) scale off the max size of the resource pool used to cast them.

That means if you are casting magicka cost abilities, they will hit much harder if you have say 30k max magicka than if you only had 18-20k. Same with stamina. That means that a hybrid build will have lower strength stamina AND magicka abilities based on neither pool being emphasized, and the gain in sustain for being able to switch between ability types does not come close to compensating for this over longer duration boss fights which is what most group content is concerned about.

Consider that wearing a mix of light/medium/heavy armor will lower the benefit you gain from the passives of each set which will largely negate any gains in resource sustainability.

Also, most gear sets favor one spec or the other, particularly sets that have either magicka damage or weapon damage will tend to buff magicka pool or stamina pool respectively. You could get someone to craft you the Pelinal set, which makes both your weapon and spell damage both the higher of the two, but you sacrifice a lot of stats on a 5-piece to gain this, and it does not effect the scaling of ability strength based on resource pool size, making it mediocre at best.

Unless ZOS decides to change the way damage scales off of your casting resource pool size, hybrid builds will always lose more than they gain. Particularly when there are magicka or stamina morph versions of the coolest class abilities, you don't even really gain much fun factor since the playstyle is mostly the same.

But as I said for purely solo content you can literally do ANYTHING you like and it will most likely work.

* Even then with a group of friends it is possible to complete this content with a hybrid build, assuming you play them reasonably well. But at a certain point there is a minimal threshold involved to avoid being overwhelmed by in-build DPS-race mechanics. If your group is wiping a lot then it will probably not be much fun.

For these cases it is often possible to just swap out gear and skills without paying for a full respec, so you can quickly change back to your solo build once the group stuff is completed.

Galwylin

I'm pretty sure this is other players just looking down on them. Understandable, if you need dps and someone has their points in magicka or stamina and the other guy has split them. Its the way they've set it up. Not sure why we have such a mixture of skills using one or the other but their power is based on which as the most points. Even the new warder has some skills that morph to only magicka. And its new. They could have just split them. Makes me thing maybe all classes would really benefit stop fighting the tide and just go full magicka. Its apparently never going to change. I would be curious how you do in group dungeons though.

FoulSnowpaw

At least hybrids can heal themselves and survive a little more than the typical dps at 17k health. Sustain appears to be more manageable with hybrids as well; one bar could recharge as you use the other.