decreased sneak speeds

Gilvoth

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brandonv516

Can't have nightblades being useful in battlegrounds. This would go against everything natural in the eso universe.

Kiralyn2000

Ah, so this is just about the super-speed stacking, not actual sneak speeds being reduced, then?

Was worried for a second there.

Gilvoth

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Ah, so this is just about the super-speed stacking, not actual sneak speeds being reduced, then?

Was worried for a second there.

yes it is.
the entire sneak speed is being reduced at a very noticable decrease nerf.
please go to PTS and test it out like i did, you will see that we both enter sneak now much slower and also sneak much slower.

Shadow_Viper_vX

More crying due to loss of easy-mode...

Rohamad_Ali

Once more changes for battlefields effect PVE . That was really a needed thing for me to complete some of the harder thieves guild heists on time .

Dorrino

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Once more changes for battlefields effect PVE . That was really a needed thing for me to complete some of the harder thieves guild heists on time .

Unless there's a glitch, the only thing that changed is to cap stealth speed to +100% from normal speed. Just like major expedition is +30% and sprinting on a non-orc is 40%. So maximum achievable movement speed while stealthed is still higher than orc sprinting with rapids on:)

People are just spoiled.

MisterBigglesworth

@dwemer_paleologist did you test it as stage 4 vampire?

runa_gate

How much you want to be the cap isn't "if > +100% truncate to +100%" and instead is somehow scaling all sneak speeds?

Of course, we on the NA server can't access sneak speed sets atm to test. I suppose I could turn a character into a vampire and slot hidden blade on a nightblade.

Rohamad_Ali

Dorrino wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Once more changes for battlefields effect PVE . That was really a needed thing for me to complete some of the harder thieves guild heists on time .

Unless there's a glitch, the only thing that changed is to cap stealth speed to +100% from normal speed. Just like major expedition is +30% and sprinting on a non-orc is 40%. So maximum achievable movement speed while stealthed is still higher than orc sprinting with rapids on:)

People are just spoiled.

He said in the OP that even time to enter stealth has been increased . Is that true or not ?

Rohamad_Ali

Someone log into TC and test this please . They wiped characters and I do no not have the time to make a vamp and level it up to test myself . I wish they wouldn't wipe characters during testing , it is a pain to level WW and Vamp up just to have them wiped for another round .

Jollygoodusername

You're telling me sneaking will be crappier than it is now? It's already buggy af without getting nerfed!

Dorrino

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Someone log into TC and test this please . They wiped characters and I do no not have the time to make a vamp and level it up to test myself . I wish they wouldn't wipe characters during testing , it is a pain to level WW and Vamp up just to have them wiped for another round .

Just tested it for you.

Sneaking time and sneaking speed feels normal with and without dark stalker with no additional sneaking sets equipped. So as far as a quick test can show - everything works properly.

Gilvoth

according to the last 2 posts you made, your test lasted 7 minutes.
i tested it with dark stalker and i stand by my words in the OP.

Gilvoth

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Someone log into TC and test this please . They wiped characters and I do no not have the time to make a vamp and level it up to test myself . I wish they wouldn't wipe characters during testing , it is a pain to level WW and Vamp up just to have them wiped for another round .

btw, you do not have to level vamp, just clik on the preset vamp max item they give in our inventories.

Dorrino

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

according to the last 2 posts you made, your test lasted 7 minutes.
i tested it with dark stalker and i stand by my words in the OP.

I can demonstrate it to you ingame right now:)

Gilvoth

it took me about 15 minutes to completely load the new pts with its patch, then on top of that had to try and make as close to my character as possible with what was available and a full medium armor set and level everything quik as i could took about 45 minutes.

Dorrino

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

it took me about 15 minutes to completely load the new pts with its patch, then on top of that had to try and make as close to my character as possible with what was available and a full medium armor set and level everything quik as i could took about 45 minutes.

/w @dorrino

I took me ~6 sec to use vampire maxer, ~3 min to turn stage 1 to stage 4 for Dark Stalker and 30 sec to see if stealth speed changes with Dark Stalker.

Rohamad_Ali

Ok I logged in and used the vamp maxer . It doesn't max abilities just passives . That's why I don't bother for combat testing . But for this test it was ok . I didn't see any difference in time to get into sneak . I didn't see any difference in sneak speed . That does not mean my test was completed . I did not have a lot of time to test every situation .

Thank you for all that logged in and tested too .

Edit to add , need to test time from unlocking chest back into stealthed . Time from spotted by guard back into stealth and compare to live . Also blade of woe , same thing . Will test more tomorrow . I will try to find what OP described . Need more details though .

jircris11

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Ah, so this is just about the super-speed stacking, not actual sneak speeds being reduced, then?

Was worried for a second there.

yes it is.
the entire sneak speed is being reduced at a very noticable decrease nerf.
please go to PTS and test it out like i did, you will see that we both enter sneak now much slower and also sneak much slower.

i have been sneaking around on my NB vamp and honestly i notice ZERO difference. now if i try and stack my movement buffs then sneak i DO notice im slower. so this only effects people who where using the movement buffs and not passives.

starkerealm

Okay, nice, that means that I'm no longer going to need to slot concealed weapon for my stage 4 vampires.

Gilvoth

i will do another test tomorrow.
post results after extensive attempt at copy character and all that i have on live compared to what can exist on pts.

Rohamad_Ali

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i will do another test tomorrow.
post results after extensive attempt at copy character and all that i have on live compared to what can exist on pts.

Can you record some video ? Need to test things I listed plus suits , speed pots , mundus ect staking and see if this can be recreated .

Aliyavana

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i just loaded the PTS and tested sneak speeds and they are not only nerfed but they are noticeably slowed more and also going into sneak fast is just not possible.
the eye stays half open for quite a while making it so you can see me for a long time before i enter stealth, and once in stealth even with the passives and thehidden blade passive and mundus you move very slow in sneak.

i have done everything i can now for almost 4 years in eso to sneak fast, it is fun and causes no harm and does nothing for advantage, other then allow escape from constant death in both pvp and pve.
i have asked nicely, and been positive and hopefull that one day we would get increased sneak speeds but again and again and again it gets nerfed.

here in todays patch as well, another sneak speed nerf that is hidden in wording to make it look as if it was ligitame and had good reasoning.
which is just false.

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You can no longer increase your total Movement Speed bonus to more than 100% of your base Movement Speed.
Developer Comment:
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This change should only affect builds that are stacking all the Movement Speed bonuses in the game, and should prevent some of the extreme movement those builds are able to do in situations like Battleground flag running. This also prevents instances where those builds could run faster on foot than via a mount.

at no time have sneak speeds cause a problem nor received complaints nor been used in cheats.

i have been asking for increased sneak speeds for around four years and they just keep slowing it down more and more and more and more and keep saying lies like what they said here that sneak speeds caused.

even if their statement was true, then all they had to do was place a debuff on people with flaggs or scroll carrying.


i hate what you guys do with these drastic and Strong Handed changes every single patch.
this time tho it feels directly aimed at stealth users with direct wording that is made to sound llike legitimate reasoning was involved.

A bow opening need and now this? Clearly for hates nbs

Balibe

So many long time players will be leaving the game with all these changes .....

The game will be nothing but new players that try the game and leave after a couple months. No regards for the hardcore players that have kept this game going with their dedication ......

I am one on the fence of cancelling the new Chapter (not an expansion or dlc) as it appears the game will no longer be fun for me to play .....

Nutshotz

The whole point of being a vamp and a magblade was concealed weapons a d the vamp speed and now that they don't stack?

So vamp speed, double take, concealed weapons won't stack anymore? If so looks like nightmares for speed are done. That was one of many reasons of being a nightblade..

LadyLavina

rip most of my characters/playstyle lol

See you in space o7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Y-et4AmBU&t=69s

LadyLavina

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

The whole point of being a vamp and a magblade was concealed weapons a d the vamp speed and now that they don't stack?

So vamp speed, double take, concealed weapons won't stack anymore? If so looks like nightmares for speed are done. That was one of many reasons of being a nightblade..

makes me wonder what's going to happen with Night's Silence as well

idk

The slower sneak speed is probably due to Zos not permitting stacking of passives and set bonuses that remove the sneak speed penalty.

My guess if your wearing a set that increase your sneak speed and your a vampire and all that stacks.

Zos removed this before, at least they tried. She if makes sense it's being removed again. Especially since it was probably added back into the game as an accident.

There are still ways to increase sneak speed if your a NB.

Shardaxx

I agree with this change, being able to sneak faster than you can normally move makes no sense.

Galwylin

Sounds to me like passives and movement increasers are cancelling each other out. Perhaps they fully cancel each other out so that neither adds the benefit?

At least we know this change wasn't done for PvP