Direct damage : dots, Flurry etc

anathosdm

Hi guys.
I was wondering what will count as Direct Damage ( and so be increased by the new CP ).
Does the first tick of DoTs count as direct damage ? Haunting curse ? Flurry ?
Thanks for answers.

anathosdm

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Tigeracer

I would also like to know this and also physical damage.

At the moment I am eyeing off the sword dancer and swinger sets over automaton.

The way I see it, physical and direct damage don't include dots, only the times your weapon actually hits the enemy.

The two sword sets boost the damage of dual wield and two handed abilities respectively, so I'm assuming the dot ticks from abilities such as blood craze/frenzy and rally will be increased by the sets.

Of course, I haven't actually tested any of this and would love for someone to chime in.

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TheNorthernDragon

Why would Rally be increased by either set? It doesn't cause damage.

jeedrzej

In ESO, direct damage is opposite of DoTs.

First tick is sometimes direct, depends on ability. Flurry is all DoT


Physical damage is just a type of damage like all the others(fire, lightning etc...). Just read tooltip of abiliti to know what is physical damage wand what isnt.

anathosdm

So flurry won t be increased at all by direct damage CP ? Not even tje first tick ?
And haunting curse ? Is it a dot ?

WhiteMage

If you have ESO's floating combat text turned on, big white numbers are direct damage and small orange numbers are DoT damage. Well, it would be nice if this always applied, but it's right at least half of the time. ESO has a problem with its definitions of direct and DoT damage: they aren't consistent.

MartinDeShade

With the way the new CP works now so that the more points you put into anything the less it increases, everybody is going to put points into both Direct Damage and DOTs.

Tigeracer

TheNorthernDragon wrote: »

Why would Rally be increased by either set? It doesn't cause damage.

Have you even seen the 5 piece for the sets?

They increase your "weapon damage" of dual wield and two handed abilities respectively.

TheNorthernDragon

Tigeracer wrote: »

TheNorthernDragon wrote: »

Why would Rally be increased by either set? It doesn't cause damage.

Have you even seen the 5 piece for the sets?

They increase your "weapon damage" of dual wield and two handed abilities respectively.

Yes, I've seen them. How is Rally going to benefit from an increase in weapon damage? Are you adding it to the gain of Major Brutality when using Rally? Please enlighten me.

FrancisCrawford

TheNorthernDragon wrote: »

Tigeracer wrote: »

TheNorthernDragon wrote: »

Why would Rally be increased by either set? It doesn't cause damage.

Have you even seen the 5 piece for the sets?

They increase your "weapon damage" of dual wield and two handed abilities respectively.

Yes, I've seen them. How is Rally going to benefit from an increase in weapon damage? Are you adding it to the gain of Major Brutality when using Rally? Please enlighten me.

I presume the reference is to Rally heals.

SirCritical

This is not a 100% correct answer, but somehow relevant: you can easily test your abilities if those are direct or not by using Bahraha's Curse set which procs only on non-DoT effects. And from my experience I can say that Flurry, Caltrops, Endless Hail etc. all can proc B'sC with their first tick (hit).

Zagnut123Zagnut123

TheNorthernDragon wrote: »

Tigeracer wrote: »

TheNorthernDragon wrote: »

Why would Rally be increased by either set? It doesn't cause damage.

Have you even seen the 5 piece for the sets?

They increase your "weapon damage" of dual wield and two handed abilities respectively.

Yes, I've seen them. How is Rally going to benefit from an increase in weapon damage? Are you adding it to the gain of Major Brutality when using Rally? Please enlighten me.

More weapon dmg increases stam based heals.

raasdal

jeedrzej wrote: »

In ESO, direct damage is opposite of DoTs.

First tick is sometimes direct, depends on ability. Flurry is all DoT


Physical damage is just a type of damage like all the others(fire, lightning etc...). Just read tooltip of abiliti to know what is physical damage wand what isnt.

This is correct.

Look at the ability. They will clearly state, if there is an initial Direct Damage hit, followed by a DoT. Or if it is all DoT. An example is Crippling Grasp which have both an intial Direct Damange hit, as well as a DoT. Something interested could be that also Dawnbreaker has intial direct damage, followed by a DoT.

SirCritical wrote: »

This is not a 100% correct answer, but somehow relevant: you can easily test your abilities if those are direct or not by using Bahraha's Curse set which procs only on non-DoT effects. And from my experience I can say that Flurry, Caltrops, Endless Hail etc. all can proc B'sC with their first tick (hit).

Incorrect. That set procs on ALL damage now. Flurry is 100% DoT and will not proc anything related to Direct Damage. Same is the case for both Caltrops and Endless Hail actually.

Nemesis7884

Question do proc effects from sets (like there is an x % chance to receive....) also proc on dots or only direct d? Can dots crit? Is a dot from a melee weapon considered melee damage?

Biro123

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

TheNorthernDragon wrote: »

Tigeracer wrote: »

TheNorthernDragon wrote: »

Why would Rally be increased by either set? It doesn't cause damage.

Have you even seen the 5 piece for the sets?

They increase your "weapon damage" of dual wield and two handed abilities respectively.

Yes, I've seen them. How is Rally going to benefit from an increase in weapon damage? Are you adding it to the gain of Major Brutality when using Rally? Please enlighten me.

More weapon dmg increases stam based heals.

That is true - but in relation to the sets discussed - the 5th set bonus increase only impacts DW and 2-handed abilities - Rally is neither, so should not be impacted in this case (unlike Hundings which does impact Rally)

FrancisCrawford

SirCritical wrote: »

This is not a 100% correct answer, but somehow relevant: you can easily test your abilities if those are direct or not by using Bahraha's Curse set which procs only on non-DoT effects. And from my experience I can say that Flurry, Caltrops, Endless Hail etc. all can proc B'sC with their first tick (hit).

There's no reason to think that there's consistency between:

• That behavior
• Damage modifiers.

Well, there might be a reason to think so if you also confirmed that DoT-based bonuses DON'T proc on the first tick -- Valkyn Skoria? -- but I have no idea how to reliably test that.

FrancisCrawford

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Question do proc effects from sets (like there is an x % chance to receive....) also proc on dots or only direct d? Can dots crit? Is a dot from a melee weapon considered melee damage?

Little of this is simple. That said:

• DoTs definitely can and do crit all the time.
• If melee DoTs aren't melee, that's a bug. And since I've never heard of that bug, I presume it's absent or at least rare.
• I believe that set-proc damage now never crits.
• I don't know which modifiers (e.g. from CP) do or don't buff set-proc damage the way they would other damage. I hope somebody can tell us.
• I don't know whether and how consistently "Hit a target and also splash to others" damage is counted as AoE vs. single-target.
• Lighting staff heavy attacks are a particularly interesting example of my doubt in the previous point.

Nemesis7884

I think the main issue with the mechanics is lack of consistency due to adhoc balancing efforts....they should really do a ff14 and overhaul and streamline all the mechanics in a logic and stringent fashion