Stealth Speed

Vrathak

Just theory crafting a quick build for my criminal character and wanted to make sure I didn't forget anything here.

I came up with a max stealth speed of 187.5%. Sounds about right to you guys?

Ignore Stealth Penalty (Vampire)
8% Steed stone (8 pieces divine Gold)
2% Lover CP tree (Wind Running)
10% Minor expedition (Jail Breaker Set)
30% Major expedition (Rapid Maneuver)

ups to 150% normal running speed. Add 25% with concealed weapon once stealth and that adds up to 187.5%

Anyone thinks of something else? (And God I miss the good old days where all speed were stacking and concealed weapon was bugged with cloaking.. hahahaha)

Zvorgin

I think this is getting nerfed next patch if I recall the notes correctly.

Vrathak

All I got from the notes is this:

Fixed an issue where abilities and bonuses that allow you to ignore the Movement Speed penalty from sneak would stack, causing you to sneak at extremely high speeds.

That's pretty much all they talk about speed.

LegacyDM

Vrathak wrote: »

Just theory crafting a quick build for my criminal character and wanted to make sure I didn't forget anything here.

I came up with a max stealth speed of 187.5%. Sounds about right to you guys?

Ignore Stealth Penalty (Vampire)
8% Steed stone (8 pieces divine Gold)
2% Lover CP tree (Wind Running)
10% Minor expedition (Jail Breaker Set)
30% Major expedition (Rapid Maneuver)

ups to 150% normal running speed. Add 25% with concealed weapon once stealth and that adds up to 187.5%

Anyone thinks of something else? (And God I miss the good old days where all speed were stacking and concealed weapon was bugged with cloaking.. hahahaha)

Don't think minor and major stack? Doesn't major supersede minor?

You don't want to th k about just speed either but detection radius too. You could go wood elf and use armor sets that increase stealth radius or reduce detection radius.

Vrathak

From what I remember they stack.. but I haven't played since Tamriel One... Let me verify. Usually you can have minor and Major at the same time

Vrathak

Checked and verified. Still working as intended. Minor stack with Major, Majors are not stackable.

Probably the reason they nerfed Major Expedition from 40% to 30% back then

driosketch

If you're Mag NB, I would replace rapids with Double Take. Easier to keep up.

Vrathak

Isn't double take just for 4 seconds though? Remember this is not for PvP it's really just to pickpocket, steal and assassinate NPCs. Rapid Maneuver lasts for 30 seconds and I will most likely pair the Jail Breaker set with Shadow Walker, restoring Health and Stam every seconds while stealth and not moving, which happens quite often while you look closets and pickpocket NPCs.

Basically I'm currently looking at Jail Breaker 5pc / Shadow Walker 5pc / Any other set ( Haven't checked yet) 2 pc with Magicka regen on all jewelries. I'm worries however that my Magicka regen won't be high enough to cloak a lot next patch... we'll see...

Vrathak

Then again I will probably use 2 pieces of different monster set giving Magicka regen and that should be enough with the passives and drinks. I can always pop a potion if need be..

Vrathak

Only thing I'm wondering though.. I haven't tried it yet.... Does Blade of Woe count as initiating an Attack when it comes to Rapid Maneuver?? (I'm in the office right now I can't test it live...)

driosketch

Vrathak wrote: »

Isn't double take just for 4 seconds though? Remember this is not for PvP it's really just to pickpocket, steal and assassinate NPCs. Rapid Maneuver lasts for 30 seconds and I will most likely pair the Jail Breaker set with Shadow Walker, restoring Health and Stam every seconds while stealth and not moving, which happens quite often while you look closets and pickpocket NPCs.

Basically I'm currently looking at Jail Breaker 5pc / Shadow Walker 5pc / Any other set ( Haven't checked yet) 2 pc with Magicka regen on all jewelries. I'm worries however that my Magicka regen won't be high enough to cloak a lot next patch... we'll see...

I run a similar setup, minus the jailbreaker, and I run out of stamina before I run out magicka on Blackwater Blade. I am battled buff still, but there's no CP so the effects of Morrowind's CP changes shouldn't factor in there. Also I can't remember, but does rapids cut out if you cast something? Anyways, it's worth testing at least, not sure which will work better with your playstyle.

Vrathak

Yeah well.. now you're talking about BWB that's a whole other story (Played BWB intensively for almost 2 years)

Really just talking about PvE pick pocketing and Blade of Woe here

Rapids break if your cast is an attack. You can cast heals and other buffs it won't break, as long as you don't damage an opponent. Not sure if damage return counts as an attack though.... that also I'd have to try

kyle.wilson

Vrathak wrote: »

Just theory crafting a quick build for my criminal character and wanted to make sure I didn't forget anything here.

I came up with a max stealth speed of 187.5%. Sounds about right to you guys?

Ignore Stealth Penalty (Vampire)
8% Steed stone (8 pieces divine Gold)
2% Lover CP tree (Wind Running)
10% Minor expedition (Jail Breaker Set)
30% Major expedition (Rapid Maneuver)

ups to 150% normal running speed. Add 25% with concealed weapon once stealth and that adds up to 187.5%

Anyone thinks of something else? (And God I miss the good old days where all speed were stacking and concealed weapon was bugged with cloaking.. hahahaha)

I'm not sure what you are doing, but running breaks stealth. The steed bonus is only applied while running so that 8% is not included in stealth.
If you are trying to max running speed, all this is sound, but not for stealthing.

Vrathak

You're mixing running and sprinting. Running is the base movement, Sprinting is holding shift key,

Unless the Steed Stone tool tip is broken and should state Sprinting, it will apply to running. If you want to confirm check the controls option in-game you'll see the key-bind for Sprinting is SHIFT and there's another key-bind for "Toggle Walking/Running"

QuebraRegra

Zvorgin wrote: »

I think this is getting nerfed next patch if I recall the notes correctly.

yes, i think so... what I can't understand is why this really needed a nerf? It was a niche utility build that sacrificed pretty much everything else to achieve.... nobody got hurt, nobody was really complaining.

oh wait, I forgot, doesn't fit the meta, so GTFO. So much for play the way you want.

I think it's time we understand what the balance team's actual goals are, and more importantly what are their professional backgrounds? Can we rotate the team around and give someone else a crack at it? The current team might contribute better elsewhere.

Vrathak

What's getting nerfed exactly? I couldn't find anything regarding speed or sneak speed getting nerfed.. I think I'll check the abilities themselves maybe that's what he was referring to....

Vrathak

Nope... even by doing a search through every single thing in all 3 patch note releases on the PTS.. I can't find anything about the Nerf you are referring to.... Can you both tell me what exactly is getting nerfed in there?

QuebraRegra

Vrathak wrote: »

What's getting nerfed exactly? I couldn't find anything regarding speed or sneak speed getting nerfed.. I think I'll check the abilities themselves maybe that's what he was referring to....

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/336426/zos-what-was-the-issue-with-the-stealth-speed-stack

Vrathak

Oh that's not a nerf... That was supposed to have been fixed 2 years ago when they came out with Free Tamriel (in 2015)

This person is basically saying that his Vampire passive doesn't stack with Night Silence anymore... which shouldn't have been the case anyhow as they're both set to ignore stealth speed penalty (they had fixed it before but I guess they bugged it agian with One Tamriel)

That's the only thing that changes... in the theory crafting above Night Silence is not part of it as I was not even thinking they had break it again.. lol

Thanks for the link though

driosketch

Vrathak wrote: »

Yeah well.. now you're talking about BWB that's a whole other story (Played BWB intensively for almost 2 years)

Really just talking about PvE pick pocketing and Blade of Woe here

Rapids break if your cast is an attack. You can cast heals and other buffs it won't break, as long as you don't damage an opponent. Not sure if damage return counts as an attack though.... that also I'd have to try

Reminds me of an interesting bug I found, I had harm innocents turn off and couldn't cloak if my cross hairs where pointed at a regular NPC.

t3hdubzy

Orc plus cp windwalker passive.

Vrathak

Wind Runner CP is already up there, and Orc is Sprinting speed only. Sounds like I pretty much nailed all the stackable speed buff there is for Stealth..

Gargath

My character cannot run with that high speed due to my PC restrictions in loading new areas .

Vrathak

hahaha Gargath