70% of the item set and crafting set are useless same for motif

charley222 · May 2017

hello everyone here my opinion
i play this game from release 1- the useless set - i make a lot of build and watch a lot of build in forum youtube ect... and this just confirm what i feel and thinking , the game have easy 70% of the set are just not use because the last bonus set( 5) is weak or just 100% useless , here 1 exemple

i dont think anyone use this set at is full potential

how i will survive 25 critical hit in 6 sec , come on guy this set is 100% useless now , what i`m asking is just to tweak some set to make them more valuable and not 100% useless , exemple just add some time to 10 or 15 sec and allow 20 critical ,
ok next 2- why in my opinion the crafting MOTIF are A bit useless , first i want to say art designer improve a lot all motif compare the game release and now the game have some very nice armor MOTIF and thx the dye stations , my issue here is very very rare my character will use crating item because in my opinion crafting are weaker , here my explanation , already monster set , kill 2 slot to customise

, if you go watch build on forum or youtube and valuable build 80% of the time are not crafting set

so this make motif not be use or craft

, in my opinion the game need cosmetics slot , already all mmo have this wow, rift ,swtor, warhammer ,gw2,or make crafting set more attractive Oo is sad because eso have great motif but 80% of the time not use ,
sorry for english i hope you understand my issue peace

FlyLionel · May 2017

I still believe fury is useful (on live and is good), but I understand what you mean. The crafting scene is pretty much just dead, new sets introduced not even being 9 traits(how?) and these scrolls making it even easier to max crafting..for what? Cosmetic slots would be amazing but there already is one in purchasing costumes/hats to go over your gear piece$. With that being said next patch more players will be running seducer? Kagrenacs? ???

No idea man all I can say is that crafting needs more 9 trait sets+jewelry introduced to be on par with majority of setups(no it doesn't have to be BIS, think of TBS before crit nerf)+transmog of course or a real cosmetic slot. Maybe zos will have a crafting update since they will introduce those scrolls for new players to get traits finished earlier? Introduce them to Morrowind and have the crafting update sometime in the future? Dreamville.

Asardes · May 2017

The only sets that are acually worth crafting are:
Magicka: Law of Julianos, Armor of the Seducer (good next patch), Kagrenac's Hope (pvp only)
Stamina: Hunding's Rage, Night Mother's Gaze, Eternal Hunt (pvp only)
Magicka and Stamina: Twice Born Star (less and less used due to critical bonus calculation)
Tank: Tava's Favor

There are 31 (19 base game + 12 DLCs) craftable sets and only those 8 are actually useful.

WhoThenNow7 · May 2017

Asardes wrote: »

The only sets that are acually worth crafting are:
Magicka: Law of Julianos, Armor of the Seducer (good next patch), Kagrenac's Hope (pvp only)
Stamina: Hunding's Rage, Night Mother's Gaze, Eternal Hunt (pvp only)
Magicka and Stamina: Twice Born Star (less and less used due to critical bonus calculation)
Tank: Tava's Favor

There are 31 (19 base game + 12 DLCs) craftable sets and only those 8 are actually useful.

I'm really enjoying clever alchemist as well

Juhasow · May 2017

charley222 wrote: »

hello everyone here my opinion
i play this game from release 1- the useless set - i make a lot of build and watch a lot of build in forum youtube ect... and this just confirm what i feel and thinking , the game have easy 70% of the set are just not use because the last bonus set( 5) is weak or just 100% useless , here 1 exemple i dont think anyone use this set at is full potential how i will survive 25 critical hit in 6 sec , come on guy this set is 100% useless now , what i`m asking is just to tweak some set to make them more valuable and not 100% useless , exemple just add some time to 10 or 15 sec and allow 20 critical ,
ok next 2- why in my opinion the crafting MOTIF are A bit useless , first i want to say art designer improve a lot all motif compare the game release and now the game have some very nice armor MOTIF and thx the dye stations , my issue here is very very rare my character will use crating item because in my opinion crafting are weaker , here my explanation , already monster set , kill 2 slot to customise , if you go watch build on forum or youtube and valuable build 80% of the time are not crafting set so this make motif not be use or craft , in my opinion the game need cosmetics slot , already all mmo have this wow, rift ,swtor, warhammer ,gw2,or make crafting set more attractive Oo is sad because eso have great motif but 80% of the time not use ,
sorry for english i hope you understand my issue peace

You had so many useless sets to choose from yet You choosed one that is actually quite popular atm ?...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPlAJV2xBDU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DP3ZWaTssg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Rso5cdTjg&t=371s

Arkangeloski · May 2017

Fury is pretty darn good u just dont know how to use it properly... is not that you have to take 20 crits on the period of 6 secs, every time you get hit by a crit u get a buff... for instance if u get hit by a crit before the 6 secs are up, for example: if 5 seconds have passed after u been hit and right there u get critted again you reset the proc stacking more dmg and gaining another 6 secs to proc it again if u get hit by nother crit. The trick is the get hit once and then again before the time is up so you can stack n reset.

Btw try it fighting a stam sroc with it, just a few secs inside the hurricane its all u need...

STEVIL · May 2017

While i think a few more sets have moved to "worth considering" for me due to the upcoming sustain focus, its still pretty bleak.

As long as the only benefits from crafted equip is convenience and the only unique elements they bring are style motifs while a competiton for slots with drops continues, this will remain.

they need to remove the competition.

Drops have jewels as their unique-to-drops slots.
Drops have 2pc monster body sets, 3 pc wpn/jewel sets and 1-2pc wpn maelstrom and master sets as unique building blocks that crafted cannot do.

Crafteds have style control.

No wonder crafteds tend to lose the competition for slots more and more and more focus is on better drops.

BIG ANSWER
Remove drop weapons from sets. Make weapons crafted only (except for non-set trash filler weapons.) Then you would have every build with a crafted set and weapons and a drop set or two and jewels. no more competition - both have their role in your build. (master maelstrom can become jewels or even token for crafting the special weapons.) Removes most onerous RNG trait issue while leaving all the repeat grind in place for content. win-win-win.

SMALLER COMPROMISES
let crafted weapons make 3-4pc sets by dropping off some of the 2-3-4pc bonuses at craft time. leaves all the existing problems but does give crafted some uniquembuilding blocks.

Turn the bulds into a collaboration between drops and crafts - not a competition. let both have a seat at the table.

Xvorg · May 2017

Asardes wrote: »

The only sets that are acually worth crafting are:
Magicka: Law of Julianos, Armor of the Seducer (good next patch), Kagrenac's Hope (pvp only)
Stamina: Hunding's Rage, Night Mother's Gaze, Eternal Hunt (pvp only)
Magicka and Stamina: Twice Born Star (less and less used due to critical bonus calculation)
Tank: Tava's Favor

There are 31 (19 base game + 12 DLCs) craftable sets and only those 8 are actually useful.

I'd add Willow's for sustain, Hist bark for tanking and Spectre's in the category "half decent"...

WalksonGraves · May 2017

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Fury is pretty darn good u just dont know how to use it properly... is not that you have to take 20 crits on the period of 6 secs, every time you get hit by a crit u get a buff... for instance if u get hit by a crit before the 6 secs are up, for example: if 5 seconds have passed after u been hit and right there u get critted again you reset the proc stacking more dmg and gaining another 6 secs to proc it again if u get hit by nother crit. The trick is the get hit once and then again before the time is up so you can stack n reset.

Btw try it fighting a stam sroc with it, just a few secs inside the hurricane its all u need...

So it's more a case of people thinking sets are useless due to poorly explained tool tips.

Arkangeloski · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Fury is pretty darn good u just dont know how to use it properly... is not that you have to take 20 crits on the period of 6 secs, every time you get hit by a crit u get a buff... for instance if u get hit by a crit before the 6 secs are up, for example: if 5 seconds have passed after u been hit and right there u get critted again you reset the proc stacking more dmg and gaining another 6 secs to proc it again if u get hit by nother crit. The trick is the get hit once and then again before the time is up so you can stack n reset.

Btw try it fighting a stam sroc with it, just a few secs inside the hurricane its all u need...

So it's more a case of people thinking sets are useless due to poorly explained tool tips.

Pretty much on point ^ but not only sets, also game mechanics too... zos keep us on the dark a lot.

charley222 · May 2017

in my opinion this set is completely useless , just to equal = Hunding's Rage you need to wait and take 10 critical every 6 sec oO and some player hit very hard making 10 k to 11 k dps, so this make any sense for the little 25k heal 2 hand dk

and if you use Clever Alchemist is 22 hit in your pocket right of the bat and you make 10k damage and you dont have to wait so much time and take so much damage and be already dead , not because someone make 1 video saying is good that mean is really good lolol the only way i see this set to be use is for one tank or werewolf having Mystic Guard and be heal , anyway i just hope guy you playing this fury build for ED and EP

anyway in my opinion this game have a bunch of set are just useless , i always have my own build , but like to watch other build to confirm what i`m think is right , and most of there build are from 80% drop item and any of them have fury build

but all of them have Clever Alchemist

build all the veteran i know dont use this set

TheStealthDude · May 2017

Other worthwhile crafted sets:

Pelinal's set for hybrid builds.
Armor Master for light/medium armor tank builds.
Torug's for the 2 piece bonus. Also used in a couple niche builds.
Shacklebreaker in Morrowind will at least be useful for the 2 pc bonus, if not for hybrid builds also.
The other Morrowind crafted sets may find use in PvP.

FlyLionel · May 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

The only sets that are acually worth crafting are:
Magicka: Law of Julianos, Armor of the Seducer (good next patch), Kagrenac's Hope (pvp only)
Stamina: Hunding's Rage, Night Mother's Gaze, Eternal Hunt (pvp only)
Magicka and Stamina: Twice Born Star (less and less used due to critical bonus calculation)
Tank: Tava's Favor

There are 31 (19 base game + 12 DLCs) craftable sets and only those 8 are actually useful.

I'd add Willow's for sustain, Hist bark for tanking and Spectre's in the category "half decent"...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/316178/willows-path-still-broken-data-included/p1

@Xvorg

Xvorg · May 2017

FlyLionel wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

The only sets that are acually worth crafting are:
Magicka: Law of Julianos, Armor of the Seducer (good next patch), Kagrenac's Hope (pvp only)
Stamina: Hunding's Rage, Night Mother's Gaze, Eternal Hunt (pvp only)
Magicka and Stamina: Twice Born Star (less and less used due to critical bonus calculation)
Tank: Tava's Favor

There are 31 (19 base game + 12 DLCs) craftable sets and only those 8 are actually useful.

I'd add Willow's for sustain, Hist bark for tanking and Spectre's in the category "half decent"...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/316178/willows-path-still-broken-data-included/p1

@Xvorg

Darng! I was considering using it.

It seems Torug's with a sustain weapon enchant is more reliable

charley222 · May 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

FlyLionel wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

The only sets that are acually worth crafting are:
Magicka: Law of Julianos, Armor of the Seducer (good next patch), Kagrenac's Hope (pvp only)
Stamina: Hunding's Rage, Night Mother's Gaze, Eternal Hunt (pvp only)
Magicka and Stamina: Twice Born Star (less and less used due to critical bonus calculation)
Tank: Tava's Favor

There are 31 (19 base game + 12 DLCs) craftable sets and only those 8 are actually useful.

I'd add Willow's for sustain, Hist bark for tanking and Spectre's in the category "half decent"...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/316178/willows-path-still-broken-data-included/p1

@Xvorg

Darng! I was considering using it.

It seems Torug's with a sustain weapon enchant is more reliable

Joined
June 2014 /facepalm btw anyone looking for half decent build , mean is useless .peace

Arkangeloski · May 2017

charley222 wrote: »

in my opinion this set is completely useless , just to equal = Hunding's Rage you need to wait and take 10 critical every 6 sec oO and some player hit very hard making 10 k to 11 k dps, so this make any sense for the little 25k heal 2 hand dk and if you use Clever Alchemist is 22 hit in your pocket right of the bat and you make 10k damage and you dont have to wait so much time and take so much damage and be already dead , not because someone make 1 video saying is good that mean is really good lolol the only way i see this set to be use is for one tank or werewolf having Mystic Guard and be heal , anyway i just hope guy you playing this fury build for ED and EP anyway in my opinion this game have a bunch of set are just useless , i always have my own build , but like to watch other build to confirm what i`m think is right , and most of there build are from 80% drop item and any of them have fury build but all of them have Clever Alchemist build all the veteran i know dont use this set

Nobody saw a video... i use that on my stamplar and i wreck ppl on the daily, it is more of a play style or a l2p issue perhaps? And also run 7/7 impen. Alchemist its ok but i rather use my pots in a more tactical way, and plus if u get bursted down and ur pot is on cool down... good bye! Thats good for gankers that can be in n out if stuff goes south.

olsborg · May 2017

Fury aint so bad, it proccs even on dots that crit so you could fairly easy get the full buff in a fight. There are alot of sets in the game that are a waste of content space, yes, take crafting sets for instance, most of them are crap.

But fury aint one of them.