Bad trend among ESO guilds?

manustecta

i notice interesting facts about ESO guilds.
There is a lot guilds in eso world, but main question is:
Why to join to any of those guilds?
When the game is in 90% oriented to PVE and solo questing.

When i was looking to join in any guild i realize that ESO have two types of guilds:
Guilds who goes to quantity but not to quality, and guilds who strongly wants that quality and they are not in hurry for quantity.
...but that second type of guilds who wants quality they never achive that and then very soon they become just another passive ESO guild with quantity over quality.
From my experience i have been in such a guild who is main purpose to have 200+ members.
When you enter ingame chat and see that 55+ people from that guild are online , and you write it down in guild chat just simple one: Hello!
And guess what: no one answers!?!?! Can you imagine that you are in 200+ members guild and lets say again 50+ people are in that time online,and no one speaks with anyone, no one play with anyone.They are just there online and thats it.Any normal person will ask themself WTF i am doing in such a guild?

We all can read in guild recruitment section of forum, that some people looking for guild and other side is everyday spamming they recruitment guild topic.JOIN OURS GUILD! JOIN! we are the best! JOIN!
And you go back to those people who is looking in theirs post for guild and you see one interesting thing.
No one cares about them, no one from those recruitment guild spamming topic want to reply them, of course with some rarely exceptions.
Again from my experience that i have.I have been recruited from one guild and like a new member i want to speak with founder or officer off that guild to see whats that guild is offering?
Are they playing group pledges, PVP...?
When i found officer of that guild he was telling me. i dont want to talk with you, who is recruited you? you are not welcome in ours guild.
i leave that guild immediately. So we have and third type of guild in ESO world.TOXIC guilds with recruitment guild topic on eso forum but when you enter in such guild you exit from that guild in next 15 second.

Enslaved

There are casual guilds, trade guilds, jack of all trade guilds. On the other hand, there are several HC trials guilds and PvP guilds. If you don't feel like being a part of any of these, I suggest making your own guild.

colig

This is quite common. I think it is because there is such a huge need for guilds to recruit players that they don't always do a good job of making the guild a vibrant, social place. A lot of times people just go off and do their own thing.

Then consider the issue of guild traders. You can't get them without joining a guild. For some, they might want to make use of a trader, but are not interested playing social butterfly on guild chat.

FlyLionel

Yes there are many guilds that people won't be interested in, I'd say just start your own and run it with goals in mind. When the game came out the goal of my guild was to meet good people and play eso with them(super casual). Even a handful of them joined endgame with me and here we are, best thing I've ever done.
Edit: Isn't it weird? You get hammered with ads in real life just to go on eso and get spammed in zone chat with guild ads in the masses.

manustecta

Enslaved wrote: »

There are casual guilds,

Please, define what casual guild is?

You enter ¨casual¨guild.You dont need to be on team speak or discord, you dont need to do anything with members of that guild? And how you like a member of that guild contribute to that ¨casual¨guild in any why?

idk

For each it is a choice, however there are plenty of guilds and each guild should be able to properly explain their focus.

Any guild that is searching for quality would have standards and the quantity would and should not be an issue outside of having enough people to form raid groups. The standards would vary from guild to guild. Some will require 40k+ dps while others 20k and it really depends on if the guild chooses to be competitive in raids or to merely be able to raid. Both ends of the spectrum can be very satisfying depending on the players interest.

The guilds that have a 20k are likely more of a casual social guild with some members enjoying the raiding. Their DPS requirement will be specifically for raiding, but not for joining the guild. The guilds with requirements closer to 40k or higher are specifically raid focused.

Of course there are PvP guilds as well. Lets not forget them.

I have never seen a guild that organizes pledges. That should be on the players to organize 4 man dungeon runs since it is pretty easy to form the group.

Any officer that just does not want to talk with you or wants to kick you merely for asking is probably not a good officer. Of course, only one side of the story is presented and we do not know how OP approached the officer. If it was in a demanding manner or other negative means then I would say the officer has a point.

radiostar

Some just use guilds for buying/selling not as a traditional guild. So it appears passive because it's just a substitute.

Osteos

I have noticed this with a lot of guilds as well. Say hello or ask a question and get zero responses. I leave them. No point in being in a social guild if people arent going to be social

Enslaved

Casual guild is one with little to no requirements, that does not force their members into content they might dislike. Most of such guilds have only one rule, to be friendly to other members and help as much as you can. If someone wants to progress in ranks in such guild, he/she/it needs to be active in helping its members, contribute in any way possible.

Now, it is pretty much similar thing with trade guilds, but you must sell stuff in guild store, most of the times the amount of sales and profit you got is directly related to will you stay or get kicked from it.

Role Playing guilds have strict set of rules that are related to race, names, what you should wear, how you should address others and similar. Also, if you fail to participate in guild events, you are pretty much out.

PvP guilds require you to play certain build, certain class, certain race on certain campaign and do what leader/officers require you to do so you achieve the goals set before each campaign. That might be AP farm, Emp push, campaign win or simply making someone else not be Emp, not win campaign etc. If you fail to be online 15h per day, you are pretty much out.

Trials guild. Dark territory for me, from what I saw some of these have requirements that are beyond my capabilities. High af DPS, all vet dungeons achievements, skins from this and that dungeon, BiS gear and at least 2 roles one could fit in any of trials. Also, if you miss weekly trials you are out.

drakhan2002_ESO

Who defines "quality"? The guild or the player applying for membership in the guild?

It seems that "quality" guilds might not be so quality...and players who think they are quality might not be either...

No one thinks their own stuff stinks - in fact, I'd wager many like to sit around and take a second whiff.

OldGamerESO

I think this is pretty much the same in all games where the main method of interaction is via text. If you want real interaction then you need voice chat, and preferably mandatory voice chat. I would suspect that the vast number of players treat ESO as a single player experience with other people around them. That is why we see so much tension in group finder. No one has developed the game social skills to actually play with other people. They are very self-centered.

If you want more than the solo-MMORPG experience then it is surely out there. It is also time consuming and exhausting and there can be drama. When you are in a "real guild" there are expectations on your game time that you may not like. You can;t just blow off someone asking for help. You might go on a list of crafters and have an e-mail queue of requests to process when you log in. You might be asked by name to come help tank something, etc. All that is good until you realize what you really want to do is log in and fish and be left alone.

eso_nya

Well, i once said "hi" in a guildchat, noone answered, felt so awkward i'll never say "hi" or "bye" again in a guildchat xD

For the other stuff ... like in any other mmo ever:
If a guildrecruiter is standing on the starterisland, begging u to join his guild or even just sending random guildinvites...well thats all u need to know about the quality of that guild.
Same goes for need to apply and bringing requirements to join.

Generally, there is kind of a "progression" in guildmembership: You join a ffa-guild where ppl gear u up and show u the basic stuff. After they taught u everything they knew, u leave and join a more raiding-focused mid-tier guild. There u get your basic raiding gear and some experience in mechanics and stuff, mostly up to entrylevel of hardcore raiding. As soon as u get ready for that, u find a hardcore raiding guild...

If u plan to make your own guild, id advise u to check out google on how to become a good fuhrer. tl/dr: Most important point is to have a vision where u wanna go with your guild. Other than that, its a prosperous-ton of work, taking up a huge amount of your time and noones ever gonna say "thank you".

Zvorgin

ESO is a lot like Starbucks in that a lot of players are alone together, especially on console where typing is cumbersome.

Sure it's an MMO but a huge section of the playerbase plays it as a single player game.

AlnilamE

It really depends on the guild.

The two "social" guilds I'm in have different levels of chattiness in game, but they both have Discord and one has TS. So we communicate outside the game as well.

Most guild events are run over voice, particularly Trials, but other than that voice chat is not required. In one of my guilds, people play other games as well, so they tend to hang out in TS together so they can chat even if they are not in ESO at the time.

subtlezeroub17_ESO

It's the folly of making an MMO too single player friendly. I have only one guild I'm a part of mainly for trade.

Other than that, there's no logical reason to join any more guilds. If I want to do vet trials, I have a friend's list for that. Guilds serve little purpose in this game, I'm afraid.

Tasear

The guild system has needed a long overdo makeover.

Pwnyridah

Players in this game are very allergic to typing, on console anyway. Most prefer voicechat. Also, I personally find the whole "hi guild!" / "bye guild!" thing one of the most annoying things about text based guild chat. Its like a weird attention craving behaviour that just fills up the window with clutter text...

subtlezeroub17_ESO

OldGamerESO wrote: »

I think this is pretty much the same in all games where the main method of interaction is via text. If you want real interaction then you need voice chat, and preferably mandatory voice chat. I would suspect that the vast number of players treat ESO as a single player experience with other people around them. That is why we see so much tension in group finder. No one has developed the game social skills to actually play with other people. They are very self-centered.

If you want more than the solo-MMORPG experience then it is surely out there. It is also time consuming and exhausting and there can be drama. When you are in a "real guild" there are expectations on your game time that you may not like. You can;t just blow off someone asking for help. You might go on a list of crafters and have an e-mail queue of requests to process when you log in. You might be asked by name to come help tank something, etc. All that is good until you realize what you really want to do is log in and fish and be left alone.

Not always true. When I used to hard core raid in WoW, we were nothing like that. Sure, we had our craters and raid teams but it was all voluntary.

We had one particular core raid team whom were mostly master crafters who had their own raid schedule then 3 raid teams spread out through the week that were lead by one of three raid leaders. You basically signed up for the slot on our main guild site for the upcoming week. There was none of the elitism, guild dues or drama.

Everyone got their fair share based on what they put out. It was wonderful.

stevenbennett_ESO

I'm in two trading guilds and a casual guild which does regular training runs for dungeons and trials. I find them quite useful exactly as is.

One thing I'll address -- to the posters (including the OP) complaining that nobody responds to a "Hi" message... people tend to be busy doing different things. A "Hi" message probably will only be responded to if the guild is a social chat guild - there simply to chat. If, OTOH, you post a question, or request for assistance, or simply that you're looking to put together a group to do X, you're MUCH more likely to get a reply, no matter what type of guild you're in.

My two trading guilds, for example, really don't need a lot of communications and rarely do anything with grouping or trials -- they exist mainly so we can sell things with a guild trader in a good location. The main chat happens each week during raffles or trivia. But people almost always will answer questions there on almost any topic, almost any time of day.

Kiralyn2000

manustecta wrote: »

i notice interesting facts about ESO guilds.
There is a lot guilds in eso world, but main question is:
Why to join to any of those guilds?

Well, considering that you have to join guilds in order to participate in the economy at all (whether or not you give a crap about other people at all)....



I do wonder what being in 5 guilds might do for chat.... sure, you've got your chat box open, but stuff might pop up in there from different guilds, so you need to think about which guild that's from, remember which /g1-5 it is to reply, etc.... while doing whatever it is you were doing at the time.

And that's assuming your chat box was open in the first place.

Rickter

Pro-Tip: dont join a guild that is advertising recruitment in zone chat. Be social- start gaming with others, when you find a group of people you get a long with, see if that guild is recruiting.

if they are, you get in, make yourself available, not just staying with the ones you met. ask yourself: what can i do for this community?

meet the GM and officers, find out more about hte guild, what state they are in, what focuses they hope to dedicate to.

too many people ask what a guild can do for them. ask what you can do for a guild and you will find what i tell all my new members: you get what you put in

ComboBreaker88

The biggest problem with guilds (and the game) is that they are incredibly difficult to manage and offer no guild progression. Out side if the obvious roles guild only really serve one function, trading. They are the only way to be and sell through the in game trader system. And only a handfull of the trader kiosks in the game are worth anything. The whole system is designed to create rivalries between guilds and cause chaos. It's idiotic.

flguy147ub17_ESO

Its why i cant find a guild, i dont have a guild except for trading. Its just a bunch for random strangers under the same guild name. I dont want a hardcore guild anymore, so i am passed that stage in gaming but would love to find a smaller 40-50 person guild that doesnt take it too serious but still has good players to progress through content. I have had zero luck finding one and its why i am basically a solo player who uses group finder for all my grouping activities.

Galwylin

I never say anything unless its a question I think I have the answer to. I've never had my own questions answered. I don't think we should look at guilds the same way you do in other games. You can join five so I would assume they are specialized guilds. If you RP then you have an RP guild. If you trade, a traders guild, a raiding guild if you do trials, dungeon guild for four mans, etc. I suppose you can have a friend/support guild too, I joined one guild because I was invited and another because I liked the name. Also I only communicate in chat. I'm just not that social and I like taking lots of breaks during play.

Runschei

I dislike those ''lf5m 2 tank 3dd for X, LINK ACHIEVEMENT''

DeadlyRecluse

My main guild has 60 people, and if even one or two are online, I'll get a "hello" back.

Communities are what you create. The biggest issue (imo) that people experience is getting into these small/close communities of quality. Why should I recruit if I have 60 good friends that hang out already? And how would you ever know of our existence to in order to ask to join.

Florial

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Well, considering that you have to join guilds in order to participate in the economy at all (whether or not you give a crap about other people at all).....



I do wonder what being in 5 guilds might do for chat.... sure, you've got your chat box open, but stuff might pop up in there from different guilds, so you need to think about which guild that's from, remember which /g1-5 it is to reply, etc.... while doing whatever it is you were doing at the time.

And that's assuming your chat box was open in the first place.

Really good point.

For me, I find the guild experience very diluted. I really wish that there was a global auction house like in other games. I do like to sell my goods and participate in the economy. I belong to a mixture of trading guilds and social guilds. I've found that as numbers have increased though, the social guild has become more silent over time. I tend to not pay attention all that much in chat, especially the trading guilds. If I do happen to see someone saying hello, I will make an effort to respond.

My experience in this game compared to some other MMOs with regards to guilds hasn't been the best. The social aspect, at least for me, is missing.

idk

Most of us understand there are two sides to every story. Here we are getting only one side.

I know we have all come across a bad guild leader before but how many want to kick you just because a new member wants to talk with them?

Asardes

Casual guilds are useless. The ones worth joining are:
- trade guilds if they can actually hold on to a trader, prefferably one in a good spot
- PvE guilds that run vet dungeons and trials
- PvP ones that are focused on campaign domination

Nestor

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Its why i cant find a guild, i dont have a guild except for trading. Its just a bunch for random strangers under the same guild name. I dont want a hardcore guild anymore, so i am passed that stage in gaming but would love to find a smaller 40-50 person guild that doesnt take it too serious but still has good players to progress through content. I have had zero luck finding one and its why i am basically a solo player who uses group finder for all my grouping activities.

I am in 3 large social guilds, one small one and one trading guild.

The Large Social Guilds are good in that we have 50 to 80 players on each time I log in. If they were smaller, I would have less. So don't discount those larger social guilds. Also, most guilds are the type to leave you alone unless you want help. Those are the kind I like. Those with mandatory activities and the like, I would not be interested in.

The smaller guild I am in has 2 to 5 people on line at any one time. Hard to get content runners from that population.

So, I think the best way to find a guild is to find some people you like to hang out with, and join their guild. Be a sub guild as it were. Don't worry about the other 400 people in the guild.

Also, if your on console, do you have Guild Chat? If not that can make a guild pretty meaningless from a social aspect.

klowdy1

I have a guild I'm in that doesn't use guild chat, only TS, or something along those lines. They complain when I type in guild chat, so I ignore that guild, and stay in it for the guild trader. That could be one reason when people don't get a response to a hello.

To be fair, I have very little care for any other player in MMOs since I lost touch with my RL friends I used to play games with. I treat all MMOs like single player games that require a group every once in a while.