You Win ZOS... I Admit Defeat...

Ch4mpTW

You win ZOS... You win. I get it. No need to make things worse for me. Really. I get it. I'm serious for once. I understand.

It's not the fact that the game has numerous bugs. It's not the fact that I have a 15,000 crown house with invisible walls over the place. It's not the fact that I try to make threads that will have civilized and mature discussions, assuming the community can handle controversial topics/themes (but fail to do so every single time). It's not the fact that in every single 1 of my threads, there's someone disrespecting me and or flaming me endlessly. Therefore causing me to have to use the report feature in all my threads damn near. N'ah. That's not it. It's not the fact that almost every guild I've joined (with the exception of 1), the GM's turn out to be egotistical in the end. Resulting in more and more disappointments, and feelings like I wasted my time for months on end. It's not the fact that when and if I ever set foot into PvP, I'm getting zerged down by 30+ people, and or I can't use a door. It's not even the fact that gap-closing into load screen still exists. Nope. Not at all. It's not even the fact that I'm probably not on my last warning from the forums, and still get extreme hate mail from people in my inbox here.

What it is, is that after hundreds upon hundreds of runs... Time after time again, I am always left with a pie in my face. Every single time. In the end, I look like a jackass and it seems karma has failed me. It looks like karma doesn't even exist for the most part regarding ESO. I can be a nice dude, and handout motif chapters for free daily (as I usually do). It doesn't matter that I've helped people get titles and skins, and helped them make tons of gold. Means nothing. Because in the end, it all adds up to nothingness. It leads up to the joke being the player, and things from the beginning being rigged from the start.

It's deep. And I don't feel like explaining. But, I can say what lead me to writing this. And it's the video and image below. After quitting VMA and ESO time and time again, I always gave it chance after chance. I always thought, maybe it's my lucky day. But no. It's not. It's not at all. Way over 300 runs, and during a run which gave me all types of hell. Don't worry. Video will be attached. I get something that feels to be a joke. As if the game is literally trolling me. I go through hell on this broken pos game, and front tons of cash at you all. Hoping it goes into improving the quality. And I get left with bad luck, after bad luck, after bad luck. It's incredible. And no, I'm not saying there aren't others who experience bad luck. But it feels like my luck is beyond bad when it comes to this game. You know what it feels like to get double S&B during the Orsinium Event? And twice? Like ***. It feels like ***. But anyway, months later. Still getting trolled.

You win, ZOS. I'll stop. For once, I'll actually stop. Stop what? Everything. Just everything. People who were tired of my posts here? You got it. Mods and staff here tired of seeing that I reported someone disrespecting me in 1 of my threads, don't worry. You won't have to deal with seeing my reports/complaints about comments any further. And no, this isn't a quit thread. So you don't have to go and threaten me with a forum account ban yet again. This is a "you win" thread. A thread saying that I give up. I admit defeat. I know when I'm bested, and for once I've been defeated. By this game. By it's community. By it's developers and staff. I, Champ, have lost. Good game. And no, I don't want a rematch.


https://youtu.be/gtWMKWtfDuU

WalksonGraves

So you spent 150$ on an island and then are quitting the next day? Sounds like you need to respec to healer, forget about vma and go relax on that virtual beach.

Eshelmen

WalksonGraves wrote: »

So you spent 150$ on an island and then are quitting the next day?

If you read what he actually said, he isn't quitting.

L2R


At OP. It gets frustrating, I agree. Just hang in there buddy.

"Desire becomes surrender, surrender becomes power"

wolfdoggie_ESO

Eshelmen wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

So you spent 150$ on an island and then are quitting the next day?

If you read what he actually said, he isn't quitting.

L2R


At OP. It gets frustrating, I agree. Just hang in there buddy.

"Desire becomes surrender, surrender becomes power"

He should still respec to healer. Need more of them.

Eshelmen

I'm still waiting for this beach party getaway you're going to run for all of us Champ.

DaveMoeDee

Eshelmen wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

So you spent 150$ on an island and then are quitting the next day?

If you read what he actually said, he isn't quitting.

L2R


At OP. It gets frustrating, I agree. Just hang in there buddy.

"Desire becomes surrender, surrender becomes power"

The OP is ambiguous.

"And no, this isn't a quit thread. So you don't have to go and threaten me with a forum account ban yet again. This is a "you win" thread. So you don't have to go and threaten me with a forum account ban yet again. This is a "you win" thread. A thread saying that I give up. I admit defeat. I know when I'm bested, and for once I've been defeated. By this game. By it's community. By it's developers and staff. I, Champ, have lost. Good game. And no, I don't want a rematch."

What does that mean? I have no idea. A lot of drama, but not much clarity.

Balamoor

@Ch4mpTW....dude...bro.

You should seriously consider unplugging for a few months to a year, go level life. The community is what it is and the developers are who they are.

I have had bad luck on loot, been harassed in game because I had a crown crate mount, but none of it's real, it's just internet bozo's.

As for the forums...

For whatever reason the Community manager and producer thinks it's a smart idea to put the game on sale for five bucks and let anyone with a key post on the forums and in /Zone till their hearts content....yet don't understand why the forums and in game chats are so toxic?

Also Rng bad concept is bad.

But seriously unplug for a bit I think it will make you happier in the long run.

KochDerDamonen

Goodbye?

Or, not goodbye? Goodbye, right? Yeah, I see your notes on your profile, goodbye it is then.

If this game and everything surrounding it gets you down that hard, I'm happy for you. Setting it down is the only correct choice. I've mostly done the same. I made the mistake of pre-ordering Morrowind despite anything I have to say about pre-orders in general, and if the state of the game during that patch doesn't impress I'm lost.

Phinix1

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

It looks like karma doesn't even exist...

In the sense that if you do good things, good things will come to you? Yes and no. It doesn't exist in any magical sense, no. At least, not that we can measure (and many have tried). But it can exist in the sense that if you do things that make other people's lives better, they may be more likely to do something nice for you, if they know you. Or they might be more likely to do good things in general, being in a generally better mood, so other people's good deeds to them might benefit you by proxy some way down the line.

But it definitely doesn't effect RNG, nor is the expectation of reward a good reason to do good.

I do know that if we all did the best we could to make other people's lives a little better, even if only by trying our best to at least avoid making them unnecessarily worse, then the world would be a better place where everyone spent a lot more time feeling happy.

But a good deed won't increase your chance of winning the lottery. Or decrease your chance of being struck by lightning. Sorry, but as they say that is just "the suchness" of things.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

...in the end, it all adds up to nothingness. It leads up to the joke being the player, and things from the beginning being rigged from the start.

If we are talking about life I agree, it is utter BS. 90% of people doomed by the hand they were dealt by life's lottery of pure random chance. Having to work 5000 times harder and still more often than not never breaking into the rigged game run by greedy material monopolists controlling all the chips. Conscious creative being reduced to unthinking fertilizer, and maybe the promise of an afterlife? Yeah that is total BS and we could do better.

In the case of ZOS and their OBSESSION with refusing to implement a token system for BoP gear, we DEFINITELY could do better. In the former case doing something about it requires a lot of very challenging social and scientific progress to be made, and mistakes to be avoided (regenerative holistic therapies instead of psychotic quack doctors doing head transplants and Borg assimilation, negotiating with greedy tyrants rather than warring with them, etc.).

In the case of ZOS keeping their customers happy, they don't need to be Gods, or even gods among insects (which is easier). They just need to not be so stubborn and maybe think about that whole karma thing, and maybe do something not because it is immediately profitable on the Crown store in the short term, but because it makes players happy and makes their lives a little happier and makes them therefor more likely to keep playing.

Sometimes, one can only hope.

...and before I get flak for generalizing negatively ZOS does do some nice things. But it is easy for them to be overshadowed when they fail to do the obvious nice things that people care about a lot more.

Runs

Eshelmen wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

So you spent 150$ on an island and then are quitting the next day?

If you read what he actually said, he isn't quitting.

L2R


At OP. It gets frustrating, I agree. Just hang in there buddy.

"Desire becomes surrender, surrender becomes power"

" I, Champ, have lost. Good game. And no, I don't want a rematch." along with the addition of "Uninstalled" to his signature sounds an awful lot like he is quitting even if he says this thread is not about quitting.

Pwnyridah

Don't give up Champ!

https://youtu.be/btPJPFnesV4

Cronopoly

The game's mechanics some disguised and some not so, trains you to be a chinese farmer in regards to attempts vs RNG desirable results...which is frustrating more than not.

It's a shame that ONLY Sharpened and Defending (on specific weapon types) are the only desirable traits people generally want. And that's only because the others by design and testing have been found largely useless for decent DPS or defense respectively.

I don't want Sharpened nerfed, it would be nice if some of the other Weapon Traits were buffed so we could have more successful build diversity without falling behind.

It's a shame the way the wind is blowing is all about reductions in DPS, Fun, and competing anywhere near were we were before.

film

But seriously, did ZOS change servers or shut them down int he Northwest? I'm having problems I haven't had for months happen in PvP (game freezes then everyone fast forwards in time), disconnects anytime there are over 40 people in an area etc

Nemesis7884

honestly i never really understood that obsession with housing in mmo's...it's just expensive...and why buy your own house if you can live and steal in other peoples much bigger houses??

DisgracefulMind

I'm really sorry to hear that you experienced such awful things from members of the community. Your posts are always really positive and cheery, so anyone giving you any sort of harassment in those is literally not worth your time or day.

I don't know if this would make you feel better or worse, but I've ran vMA perhaps 500+ times, maybe even more, and I have never gotten a sharpened staff until recently, and that was an ice staff. I only recent got a sharpened 1H axe and a sharpened 2H maul as well. The RNG in that place is AWFUL.

I really hope you feel better and decide to come back so you can enjoy that awesome island and get it looking super great.

And I hope that ZoS really starts listening to posts like these; YOUR SYSTEM FOR LOOT IS ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE.

A little after vMoL's release I have run that trial in a competitive manner until this recent PTS (i.e. before HM we'd do 5+ runs a night), and have only ever seen a sharpened Moondancer sword drop once and two sharpened Moondancer infernos drop. Also, only one lightning. I definitely feel your pain.

Rohamad_Ali

Defeat ? What in oblivion is that ? You need a soul gem ?

Narvuntien

I feel bad about your guild experience actually, that really sucks. I have had nothing but good things from my guilds... the only sadness is losing my guild trader ever now and then... even when you put in a lot of cash for it.

Can this game, particularly the gear grind, be extremely frustrating yes it definately is and I hate it, so much I'd much rather wear crafted gear even if it is sub optimal. Group finder is a nightmare and I have never hated this game more than when I was gear grinding.

Do you need to be the very best, like no one ever was?
Do you need to squeeze every last bit of DPS out of your build?
The difference and between best in show and functional really isn't that big in this game.

You could be instead spending your time decorating your island paradise.

bubbygink

Didn't you just make a thread saying PvP should be entirely removed from the game? Haha and you wonder why people "flame" you in your threads...

Also, didn't you just make a thread about how much you love the island? And now you're complaining about it...

I think you just like to cause drama.

SydneyGrey

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

It's not the fact that I try to make threads that will have civilized and mature discussions, assuming the community can handle controversial topics/themes (but fail to do so every single time).

It is literally impossible to post anything on this forum without some orangutan showing up to spread his feces everywhere. I've seen it even on perfectly fun, non-controversial threads that existed soley for light-hearted entertainment. But nope ... some troll has to show up to be nasty for no reason at all. This forum is very toxic. It's one of the worst I've ever been on. If there's another forum out there that's worse, I'll be staying far away from it.

With forums like this, you just have to ignore the trolls.

CastaLyron

Dont fall into the rng trap is what I say. Accept that drop chances are ridiculously against you, do you really know the chance of the drop you want? Think that you have the same chance every time you do a run, it does not get better. Some things are just not practical to farm and using brute force (many runs) to get what you want, you can be stuck for a long long time. When you reach a point where you don't enjoy playing you should really stop and think about what you are doing. Your time is worth more than to waste on rng. My approach is to make gold, that's what I enjoy. I'd rather pay for what I want than pray to the wrong rng gods.

Ep1kMalware

Looks hard on magsorc. It's easier with stam templar. Between you amd me, I get more staves on my stam toon. Maybe it's my necrotic hoarver blessing my rng, but truthfully I swear to god if you want mag items run it on a stam class.

I'm lagging out super hard so this vma ru will take a while (doing adk thimgs between stages since score is gone). If I don't get anymore dcs i'll upload.

Stovahkiin

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Defeat ? What in oblivion is that ? You need a soul gem ?

Sounds to me like he just needed better forum gear. OP could also buy some anti-salt potions too.

Attackfrog

There are very few things in life that can upset you this much that you have the ability to walk away from.

This is sounding like it is going beyond frustration and into the harmful realm. I encourage you to walk away or take some time off or find someone who can help you do those things.

Tryxus

Did you use the safeword?

Absolut_Turkey

Tiny violin! Has anyone seen my tiny violin?

Goshua

Cronopoly wrote: »

The game's mechanics some disguised and some not so, trains you to be a chinese farmer in regards to attempts vs RNG desirable results...which is frustrating more than not.

It's a shame that ONLY Sharpened and Defending (on specific weapon types) are the only desirable traits people generally want. And that's only because the others by design and testing have been found largely useless for decent DPS or defense respectively.

I don't want Sharpened nerfed, it would be nice if some of the other Weapon Traits were buffed so we could have more successful build diversity without falling behind.

It's a shame the way the wind is blowing is all about reductions in DPS, Fun, and competing anywhere near were we were before.

word, absolutely. They could improve and trim but they keep adding and padding it seems.

TO
Don't know you Champ or you're history but can understand the frustration.
I would flip a table or two too which is why I don't grind for anything other than materials to craft.
I'd run with a training monster helm if the bonuses suited that's about the level of give a damn I'm at lol

lunalitetempler

Man just enjoy the game for what it is. Play when you want when your having fun, stop when the fun stops. Its that simple. You don't need to come on the forum moaning bumming everyone else out. We don't care if you quit or not really. Why do you feel the need to announce it to us?

Besides everyone knows you will be playing in a day again, your clearly addicted. Gets some help...its a game.

AhPook_Is_Here

It's not karma, it's more like this: https://youtu.be/KchhSIVwMdY?t=89

dpencil1

In all seriousness I do feel bad for Champ. Not for vMA. I think you should only play that if you enjoy it, and resign yourself to crap rewards at the end every time. No, I feel bad for his experience with other players in game and on the forums. It's tough feeling like you're on the receiving end of drama from every side and you're not intentionally causing it.

Some people can have a combination of sensitivity and social awkwardness that ends up drawing them into the cross-hairs of scrutiny. It's not that they intend to cause drama, but they do something without realizing that it has a high likelihood of annoying people and drawing negative attention toward themself. Then, when they get called out, they take it very personally and begin to try to fight back, which only makes the situation worse. The end result being that you begin to lose hope in finding friendly people in the community at large, even though there are many. I've seen this happen in rl with close friends. It's not a joke, and I'm not trying to be insulting. It's just a sad fact that some people face these social hurdles in their lives.

I wish you all the best wherever you land Champ, and hope you eventually find a group of friends that genuinely appreciate and care about you. And if you already have a rl group of friends like that, lean on them and don't give another thought to the Internet trolls.

Swifigames

Could someone please explain to me what the main problem was here? I'm new.
He just didn't get a good drop?

Anne_Firehawk

Sorry that you didn't get what you wanted but suggesting ridiculous stuff like "remove PVP for the sake of PVE" without thinking twice won't help your "Karma".
Bai