Zos your game is dieing, bring back 1.5/1.6 mechanics for pvp!

Lord_Invel

HONESTLY the most enjoyable patch for anyone was either 1.3, 1.5, and or 1.6. The combat system of that time of the game was definitely better than what it is now. I'm currently advocating for the backtrack of the combat that we have now to previous patches. We need to rework the cp system and bring back a balanced version of dynamic ult gen and soft caps and get rid of battle spirit make heavy attacks bashable again. Also get rid of poisons and snares and make ultimates counterable again. Make soul assault interruptable , make meteor counterable with cloack or reflect, make ur ult system skillful again by giving us a new version of dynamic ult gen. Zos fix ur game u still have bugs that have existed for three years now ......is it not shameful and embarrassing for a company to be selling a broken product for so long??!!! Your most popular streamers have left because of how ridiculous the games balance has become and how broken it is. Now the only thing streamers do is advertise how terrible this game has become.

@Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert

IcyDeadPeople

Did you not play the game back then? Class balance during 1.3 and 1.5 was horrible. It was still Elder Robes and Staves Online.

1.6 finally stamina builds became viable, but the pendulum swung in the opposite direction and they became a bit too strong with infinite roll dodge, melee caltrops for infinite adrenaline rush/ red diamond etc.

Currently perhaps med/light armor need slight buff to bring them to the level of heavy, but overall the class balance has improved tremendously since those days. Finally you can make a viable character for pvp from any of the four classes and your choice of stamina or magicka, light, med or heavy armor.

Lord_Invel

@IcyDeadPeople I feel like u didn't read the post at all lmao. I specifically am talking about pvp combat mechanics not class balance lol.

IcyDeadPeople

Well, I would agree with bringing back bash/interrupt for most channeled attacks like heavy attack wind-up, dizzying swing, etc, but I think the reason they changed soul assault like this was an effort to make it stronger than jesus beam, considering it is an ultimate.

Not even sure what the reason was for the change to making ultimate generation based on light/heavy attacks, but it's now been that way so long I suppose I've gotten used to it.

What is it about battle spirit that you don't like? I think we always got at least some kind of health boost in Cyrodiil, didn't we?

Lord_Invel

@IcyDeadPeople and is ur definition of viable ganking from stealth in the middle of a zerg..... or actually playing solo or small scale where ur skillful intuition and reaction time actually matters lol

krim

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Did you not play the game back then? Class balance during 1.3 and 1.5 was horrible. It was still Elder Robes and Staves Online.

1.6 finally stamina builds became viable, but the pendulum swung in the opposite direction and they became a bit too strong with infinite roll dodge, melee caltrops for infinite adrenaline rush/ red diamond etc.

Currently perhaps med/light armor need slight buff to bring them to the level of heavy, but overall the class balance has improved tremendously since those days. Finally you can make a viable character for pvp from any of the four classes and your choice of stamina or magicka, light, med or heavy armor.

You are forgetting bows in 1.5, it was very much elder bows online. The bandwagon against staves and light armor in 1.5 and the stigma it got of being the only viable way to play is crazy.

Pallio

The game is dieing because you listen to,these pvp people, who have an insatiable desire to have an advantage over each other, but, will complain about any perceived advantage someone else has that either allows them to survive too long or god forbid makes them die.

Changing the game to improve whatever their current perceived problem is, drastically changes the PvE game, where no problem even existed. PvE and PVP are completely different, different gear, different skills, different play style, different challenges. Either just make the game PvP centric or stop breaking PvE to fix what perceived issue exist in PvP.

zuto40

Pallio wrote: »

The game is dieing because you listen to,these pvp people, who have an insatiable desire to have an advantage over each other, but, will complain about any perceived advantage someone else has that either allows them to survive too long or god forbid makes them die.

Changing the game to improve whatever their current perceived problem is, drastically changes the PvE game, where no problem even existed. PvE and PVP are completely different, different gear, different skills, different play style, different challenges. Either just make the game PvP centric or stop breaking PvE to fix what perceived issue exist in PvP.

its not our fault the devs are too stupid to realize that pve and pvp needs to be seperate

IcyDeadPeople

krim wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Did you not play the game back then? Class balance during 1.3 and 1.5 was horrible. It was still Elder Robes and Staves Online.

1.6 finally stamina builds became viable, but the pendulum swung in the opposite direction and they became a bit too strong with infinite roll dodge, melee caltrops for infinite adrenaline rush/ red diamond etc.

Currently perhaps med/light armor need slight buff to bring them to the level of heavy, but overall the class balance has improved tremendously since those days. Finally you can make a viable character for pvp from any of the four classes and your choice of stamina or magicka, light, med or heavy armor.

You are forgetting bows in 1.5, it was very much elder bows online. The bandwagon against staves and light armor in 1.5 and the stigma it got of being the only viable way to play is crazy.

Oh yes, I recall the glorious days of Elder Snipes Online - wasn't that around 1.4 or something?

The stigma attached to ESO during those days wasn't entirely undeserved - lots of players and entire guilds quit the game because they felt railroaded into light armor magicka build but wanted to play some kind of warrior. There were certainly some damn good stam players in PVP back then, like yourself! But most had a pretty tough time until 1.6

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@IcyDeadPeople and is ur definition of viable ganking from stealth in the middle of a zerg..... or actually playing solo or small scale where ur skillful intuition and reaction time actually matters lol

No, these days if you really want to be tanky, you can build for that with any of the four classes. Don't know yet if that will be true for Morrowind patch.
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FlyLionel

Thieves guild? Just with stam ultimates and how stam sorc/magdk are now(Also NB had purge I believe ). Sharpened wasn't OP at that time I don't think..Or it was at that patch. Anyways it felt good at that time, this game has always favored magic users generally. As a stamina main I understand it and don't mind unless it gets ridiculous(now). Just hope they want Morrowind to strive and within these several weeks make the right* tweaks.

Turelus

I'm glad you're not a doctor of coroner.

Quantum_V

Pallio wrote: »

The game is dieing because you listen to,these pvp people, who have an insatiable desire to have an advantage over each other, but, will complain about any perceived advantage someone else has that either allows them to survive too long or god forbid makes them die.

Changing the game to improve whatever their current perceived problem is, drastically changes the PvE game, where no problem even existed. PvE and PVP are completely different, different gear, different skills, different play style, different challenges. Either just make the game PvP centric or stop breaking PvE to fix what perceived issue exist in PvP.

PvE is a LOT easier to balance, and here's why:

In PvP, players will use sets and complex combination of moves, skill, thought process, playstyle, etc... Switching something in PvP (like nerfing or buffing skills/sets) have a massive effect on the overall playstyle in PvP. Example: the change to heavy armor and CP made everyone really tanky and have infinite sustain, in PvP you can only fix that reverting thouse changes or increasing the overall damage, which again, will have some other effect on PvP.

Balancing PvE is a lot easier, just balance the mobs and bosses accordingly. Are people not dying 'cause tankyness is too high? Make mobs hit harder. Are people being able to get near infinite sustain? Sure, give mobs more health so it takes longer from them to die and burn your resources more.

Final point: You can't balance players, but you can balance mobs. PvE should hardly be able to mention so called 'balance' apart from mobs.

Make changes to PvP, and make dungeons/trials behave accordingly.

MrSinister213

WTB vertical Ferocious Leap and toggleable siphon strikes QQ

On a positive note, Star Citizen beta in June and Camelot Unchained looking good for summer as well.

Grimlok_S

Lord_Invel wrote: »

HONESTLY the most enjoyable patch for anyone was either 1.3, 1.5, and or 1.6.

hahaha nope

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Lord_Invel wrote: »

Zos your game is dieing

even bigger nope

Grimlok_S

MrSinister213 wrote: »

WTB vertical Ferocious Leap and toggleable siphon strikes QQ

On a positive note, Star Citizen beta in June and Camelot Unchained looking good for summer as well.

Don't tease like that. CU is looking good for 3-4 summers from now.

NBrookus

Grimlok_S wrote: »

MrSinister213 wrote: »

WTB vertical Ferocious Leap and toggleable siphon strikes QQ

On a positive note, Star Citizen beta in June and Camelot Unchained looking good for summer as well.

Don't tease like that. CU is looking good for 3-4 summers from now.

Mark said beta in 2017, one way or another.

How long it's in beta is another question.

VirtualElizabeth

Oh Lord, people have been saying "ESO IS DYING" since the summer of 2014. Guess what? It is almost the Summer of 2017 and it's still around.

The-Baconator

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

Oh Lord, people have been saying "ESO IS DYING" since the summer of 2014. Guess what? It is almost the Summer of 2017 and it's still around.

Perhaps dying is the wrong word, but PvP in eso is in TERRIBLE shape. On PS4 NA alone the game has lost enough regular PvPers over the last year to the point that ZOS has closed 3-4 campaigns. A year before that, right before IC dropped, we had triple poplocks on two servers for literally +12 hours a day with plenty others sporting at least 2 for prime time. That may not be dying, but it is certainly the opposite of "thriving" or "fine."

Eirella

Oh yes please, those were the best days!

thankyourat

Pallio wrote: »

The game is dieing because you listen to,these pvp people, who have an insatiable desire to have an advantage over each other, but, will complain about any perceived advantage someone else has that either allows them to survive too long or god forbid makes them die.

Changing the game to improve whatever their current perceived problem is, drastically changes the PvE game, where no problem even existed. PvE and PVP are completely different, different gear, different skills, different play style, different challenges. Either just make the game PvP centric or stop breaking PvE to fix what perceived issue exist in PvP.

PvE definitely has problems. there is less than a handful of challenging PvE content. I would say PvE has more problems than PvP. PvE has been broken since 1T

Lucky28

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

Oh Lord, people have been saying "ESO IS DYING" since the summer of 2014. Guess what? It is almost the Summer of 2017 and it's still around.

do you not remember how many players eso used to have?. what we have now is a fraction of that.

Ishammael

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

Oh Lord, people have been saying "ESO IS DYING" since the summer of 2014. Guess what? It is almost the Summer of 2017 and it's still around.

While the game as a whole is in much better shape than in the past I suspect that if ZOS published PvP playerbase as a function of time it will be negative sloped since launch, with a slight spike at the 1.6 launch.

Esgameplaya1

Snapshot point of view

I have a small guild I created from day one, and it has 13 people in it. Sadly only 4 people still log in.

Takllin

1.5 and 1.6 had different mechanics though. Would be nice to have 1.5 back with a few bug fixes as I've always said. Was a nice meta with good counterplay, and stam was viable for solo play and possibly even group play just no one tried it. If it wasn't, then the route to take was just to try and make it viable not rework the entire system removing counterplay and mechanics that made the game interesting. Knowledge of the game is an advantage over other players, but that should be encouraged. I don't understand the idea behind systematically removing the need to know how to play the game in order to get things done. You can call it casual friendly but I call it player unfriendly. The further players progress in this game they become disenchanted with a game they once really enjoyed. At least in PvP I know this to be the case for pretty much everyone that I know. You spend time trying to become a better player only to see your effort mean nothing because ZOS is molding the game in a way that you can have an amount of success without knowing what you're doing at all.

Ishammael wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

Oh Lord, people have been saying "ESO IS DYING" since the summer of 2014. Guess what? It is almost the Summer of 2017 and it's still around.

While the game as a whole is in much better shape than in the past I suspect that if ZOS published PvP playerbase as a function of time it will be negative sloped since launch, with a slight spike at the 1.6 launch.

It would be a steady decrease after the first campaign ended, with a sharp drop from launch to end of fist campaign.

There used to be entire 500 player full guilds that were super active queueing their entire guilds into campaigns. Playing with Alacrity on Hopesfire there was an EP guild that did this (I can't remember how to spell their guild name only say it it was some irish/celtish word). The fights would be fairly balanced and then on certain days of the week at certain times they would log on and take the whole map while we defended as best we could. We became good enough at it that it frustrated them to the point where their guild, despite winning through overwhelming numbers, quit the game. What people wanted from this game: a game where you can randomly smash buttons and have things work out for you... What the game at the start actually was: finding the correct setup, playstyle, and skills to use and when to use them. And that was a really fun game. It's a shame that a large part of the community quit the game once they found out you had to actually know what you were doing in order to become useful and not get farmed for hours and hours. It happens in every pvp game though. People don't want to play games they aren't good at usually.

DoccEff

Campaigns are pop-locked during primetime, but sure, the game is dying.

Akgurd

Just bring back the soft cap and trash the cp system.

ZOS wasted too much time on CP system only to make the game worse.

mtwiggz

MrSinister213 wrote: »

WTB vertical Ferocious Leap and toggleable siphon strikes QQ

On a positive note, Star Citizen beta in June and Camelot Unchained looking good for summer as well.

Star Citizen

Eirella

Akgurd wrote: »

Just bring back the soft cap and trash the cp system.

ZOS wasted too much time on CP system only to make the game worse.

^^^ I would be happy with this, too!

sharquez

ITT Opinons and salt.

Please keep making the sky is falling threads. /s
Suggestions based on previous patch nostalgia and your narrow perception of what is going on in the game, are going to continually be ignored by the devs because quite frankly they are a waste of time. If you want real effective change to the balance and combat state of the game, put in the work to mathematically prove that there is a better way or stop clogging the information stream with incessant mewling about things you have only a rudimentary understanding of. I'm not sayin i have all the answers. All I know is that the 500th call to action thread and the 1rst have at least one thing in common and that is that they are coming from a biased under informed source (a salty player) without any fact or logic based backing.

Rohamad_Ali

MrSinister213 wrote: »

WTB vertical Ferocious Leap and toggleable siphon strikes QQ

On a positive note, Star Citizen beta in June and Camelot Unchained looking good for summer as well.

I thought Star Citizen had to go back and re make the engine after the 2016 birthday show . You sure there's a beta this year ?

Takllin

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

MrSinister213 wrote: »

WTB vertical Ferocious Leap and toggleable siphon strikes QQ

On a positive note, Star Citizen beta in June and Camelot Unchained looking good for summer as well.

I thought Star Citizen had to go back and re make the engine after the 2016 birthday show . You sure there's a beta this year ?

Yes. I believe the persistent universe beta (or alpha?) starts in june.