Todays pts patch notes and tanking 4/24/17

DarkAedin

Qoute:

Templar
Aedric Spear
Spear Shards: The synergy from this ability and its morphs now restores Magicka or Stamina based on whichever has the highest maximum, instead of whichever has the largest missing percentage.
Known Issue: Luminous Shard’s resource return for the casting Templar is still restoring resources based on the largest missing percent. This will be fixed in future PTS patch.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Based on initial PTS feedback, we’ve changed the Magicka or Stamina this synergy gives you (as well as the Necrotic Orb synergy) to always restore the resource you have the highest maximum of so that it’s more consistent and reliable for your build type.

Necrotic Orb: The synergy from this ability and its morphs now restores Magicka or Stamina based on whichever has the highest maximum, instead of whichever has the largest missing percentage.
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My DK tank is magicka based due to shield/chains/talons/coagulating.

My tank hits shards synergy for one reason : stam.

With this change i have to spec my mag tank out of his tiny mag pool to increase a stam pool i only use for heroic, taunt, and blocking.

If i do not respec. Niether orbs or shards will ever give me back stamina

This is well thought out.......

FlyLionel

If I can permablock on my DK tank in vet trials like how i'm doing right now, that is good. I'd rather have my stamina as a tank than magicka. Remember folks, without stamina as a tank it is game over for everyone. All I ever needed was atronach mundus to maintain my magicka, and that's without ever using tri-pots. I thought the real issue was the 0.25 cost to block/not being able to hold block for that long? Someone on pts gotta holler.

DarkAedin

Dks have toolset to assist with regen of stam by casting skills that are mag based and picking up shards. Due to this u do not need to run a stam tank. They are usually inferior especially considerins this game started with only magicka based class abilities and has not graduated to proper stam/mag morphs.
So the mag pool is higher for more ability casts and pick up shards to help maintain stam pool

Sakiri

Pretty sure permablock is one of the reasons they changed recovery rate.

GreatGildersleeve

The new block cost charge rate won't make much difference for tanks in one on one boss fights since they don't hit that often. It'll hurt in trash mobs though.

Phinix1

OP has a legit point that comments seem to miss completely.

In order to EVER get stamina back from Shards with this change, tanks will HAVE to re-balance their stats so that they have more stamina then magicka.

A pointless change to a pointless change. Why are we breaking things with fixes to things that weren't broken? What was the purpose of this in the first place other than homogenization and boring-ification of skills?

DarkAedin

Phinix1 wrote: »

OP has a legit point that comments seem to miss completely.

In order to EVER get stamina back from Shards with this change, tanks will HAVE to re-balance their stats so that they have more stamina then magicka.

A pointless change to a pointless change. Why are we breaking things with fixes to things that weren't broken? What was the purpose of this in the first place other than homogenization and boring-ification of skills?

Thanks bro. Too busy fuming over my templars and now this atm to be too coherent. Appreciated brosky

DarkAedin

Its not only that. With this new change ill get either stam or mag not both.
Current system in live allows me to choose which one i want to use and i have to make a choice if i want to waste the shard or orbs synergy CD.
For when im wearing my alkosh set this issue has an added layer to it bc of the orbs/shards synergy sharing

IcyDeadPeople

DarkAedin wrote: »

With this change i have to spec my mag tank out of his tiny mag pool to increase a stam pool i only use for heroic, taunt, and blocking.

If i do not respec. Niether orbs or shards will ever give me back stamina

This is well thought out.......

I imagine you can tweak these stats so your max stamina is just a smidge above max magicka. As long as they are both below 19k, you will notice a big boost to the resource return from either this synergy or just spamming fossilize / any earthen heart ability (helping hands is pretty amazing for mag DK now).

DanaDark

Nobody will ever be happy.

Somebody is getting screwed one way or another. Right now its hot potato until release.

xaraan

Yeah, it's a better change for dps'ers, but tanks will just have to make sure to keep whichever stat they want restored on those synergies higher than the other. A little limiting in some builds, but do-able.

DarkAedin

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

DarkAedin wrote: »

With this change i have to spec my mag tank out of his tiny mag pool to increase a stam pool i only use for heroic, taunt, and blocking.

If i do not respec. Niether orbs or shards will ever give me back stamina

This is well thought out.......

I imagine you can tweak these stats so your max stamina is just a smidge above max magicka. As long as they are both below 19k, you will notice a big boost to the resource return from either this synergy or just spamming fossilize / any earthen heart ability.

So instead of wearing wat we are currently considering tanking sets, like tavas and alkosh or imperium for group synergy.. i shouldnt wear them and just focus on my own stats to make sure i can have my tiny resource pools higher? U realize as a tank i need to already be dropping resources into all 3. Now im forced to have stam higher to get the return from orbs/shards when i dont need my stam piol to be that large but my mag needs to be, and its going to hurt my mag tank build.
Or maybe u dont want me to chains and talons all the mobs while im throwing igneus shields all over my party

Didgerion

DarkAedin wrote: »

Qoute:

Templar
Aedric Spear
Spear Shards: The synergy from this ability and its morphs now restores Magicka or Stamina based on whichever has the highest maximum, instead of whichever has the largest missing percentage.
Known Issue: Luminous Shard’s resource return for the casting Templar is still restoring resources based on the largest missing percent. This will be fixed in future PTS patch.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Based on initial PTS feedback, we’ve changed the Magicka or Stamina this synergy gives you (as well as the Necrotic Orb synergy) to always restore the resource you have the highest maximum of so that it’s more consistent and reliable for your build type.

Necrotic Orb: The synergy from this ability and its morphs now restores Magicka or Stamina based on whichever has the highest maximum, instead of whichever has the largest missing percentage.
End qoute.

My DK tank is magicka based due to shield/chains/talons/coagulating.

My tank hits shards synergy for one reason : stam.

With this change i have to spec my mag tank out of his tiny mag pool to increase a stam pool i only use for heroic, taunt, and blocking.

If i do not respec. Niether orbs or shards will ever give me back stamina

This is well thought out.......

That's a very good fix compared with their initial proposal.

Yes it will bring you out of your comfort build anyway - but hey you can actually build your character around it now!!!
Also did you think to user a destro staff on top of sword and board as a backup blocking option.

You really have to find some creative ways of effective tanking now with all these nerfs - but at least you can build around it now.

Good move ZOS - I'm glad to see some good changes to your initial solutions. Hope to see more coming.

Also please make it all pass through beta stage next time when coming with that many and drastic changes. Let us test them and rage privately without turning the mood of the community.

DarkAedin

Didgerion wrote: »

DarkAedin wrote: »

Qoute:

Templar
Aedric Spear
Spear Shards: The synergy from this ability and its morphs now restores Magicka or Stamina based on whichever has the highest maximum, instead of whichever has the largest missing percentage.
Known Issue: Luminous Shard’s resource return for the casting Templar is still restoring resources based on the largest missing percent. This will be fixed in future PTS patch.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Based on initial PTS feedback, we’ve changed the Magicka or Stamina this synergy gives you (as well as the Necrotic Orb synergy) to always restore the resource you have the highest maximum of so that it’s more consistent and reliable for your build type.

Necrotic Orb: The synergy from this ability and its morphs now restores Magicka or Stamina based on whichever has the highest maximum, instead of whichever has the largest missing percentage.
End qoute.

My DK tank is magicka based due to shield/chains/talons/coagulating.

My tank hits shards synergy for one reason : stam.

With this change i have to spec my mag tank out of his tiny mag pool to increase a stam pool i only use for heroic, taunt, and blocking.

If i do not respec. Niether orbs or shards will ever give me back stamina

This is well thought out.......

That's a very good fix compared with their initial proposal.

Yes it will bring you out of your comfort build anyway - but hey you can actually build your character around it now!!!
Also did you think to user a destro staff on top of sword and board as a backup blocking option.

You really have to find some creative ways of effective tanking now with all these nerfs - but at least you can build around it now.

Good move ZOS - I'm glad to see some good changes to your initial solutions. Hope to see more coming.

Also please make it all pass through beta stage next time when coming with that many and drastic changes. Let us test them and rage privately without turning the mood of the community.

This isnt taking me out of a cofort zone. Its forcing to spec stam if i want orbs/shards

IcyDeadPeople

DarkAedin wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

DarkAedin wrote: »

With this change i have to spec my mag tank out of his tiny mag pool to increase a stam pool i only use for heroic, taunt, and blocking.

If i do not respec. Niether orbs or shards will ever give me back stamina

This is well thought out.......

I imagine you can tweak these stats so your max stamina is just a smidge above max magicka. As long as they are both below 19k, you will notice a big boost to the resource return from either this synergy or just spamming fossilize / any earthen heart ability.

So instead of wearing wat we are currently considering tanking sets, like tavas and alkosh or imperium for group synergy.. i shouldnt wear them and just focus on my own stats to make sure i can have my tiny resource pools higher? U realize as a tank i need to already be dropping resources into all 3. Now im forced to have stam higher to get the return from orbs/shards when i dont need my stam piol to be that large but my mag needs to be, and its going to hurt my mag tank build.
Or maybe u dont want me to chains and talons all the mobs while im throwing igneus shields all over my party

Perhaps I misunderstood, but I thought you were saying above that your max magicka and max stamina were both pretty low. If that is the case, I imagine you could adjust attribute points to make one slightly higher than the other.

At any rate I wouldn't even bother, instead you can spam fossilize or igneous shield for stam. You get tons of stam back now as mag DK.

Kodrac

Isn't it percentage based? So if you're missing 80% stamina and 30% magicka you'd get back stamina even though you're missing more total magicka pool?

Qyrk

Kodrac wrote: »

Isn't it percentage based? So if you're missing 80% stamina and 30% magicka you'd get back stamina even though you're missing more total magicka pool?

They changed it. it's now max Stam or max magicka

DarkAedin

Kodrac wrote: »

Isn't it percentage based? So if you're missing 80% stamina and 30% magicka you'd get back stamina even though you're missing more total magicka pool?

Read the op its qouting todays pts patch notes that pertain to this

Kodrac

Qyrk wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Isn't it percentage based? So if you're missing 80% stamina and 30% magicka you'd get back stamina even though you're missing more total magicka pool?

They changed it. it's now max Stam or max magicka

Well, now, that is dumb. It was at least reasonable as percentage based.

KeiruNicrom

Sounds an ice staff with undaunted taunt can solve your problems. Look at ZOS, still subtlely trying to make staff tanking a thing

DarkAedin

KeiruNicrom wrote: »

Sounds an ice staff with undaunted taunt can solve your problems. Look at ZOS, still subtlely trying to make staff tanking a thing

This is not ok. i do not want to tank with a staff. I want to tank with a sword and board.
If u want to give other players a chance to tank with a staff - thats fine by me. But dont force me into speccing stam and picking up a freaking stick just to be half where i am now

Rex-Umbra

Yeah I actually liked the way they had it

DarkAedin

I am alreadt running low stats i would have to gear change to have my magicka where it needs to be while having my stam higher. And this is bc i need a certain amount of health. To yanno tank things