vMA token system?

Athrys5

As vMA will be certainly harder next patch because of cost reduction removal do you think it'll be good a token system? Otherwise, Do you think the pve content atm is just too easy and it'll be good having an hard challange? Just asking, i play pvp 99% of the time so i want your opinion. (I know a token system is just a dream)

DRXHarbinger

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#NotanotherVMAtokenthread

S1ipperyJim

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jrgray93

Yes, it'd be cool a token system

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

#NotanotherVMAtokenthread

Yeah, it's almost as if the reward is currently not worth the effort for 99%+ of players and the system is poorly designed, thus in need of change.

ParaNostram

Yes, it'd be cool a token system

Remember when people on WoW threw a giant fit over the implementation of token systems? MMO's have come a long way.

Coilbox

Many people claim PVE is easy cause they run the same content again and again (grindfest), people get better gear, get better at the game, and what seemed to be difficult at the begining now seems like a walk in the park.
IMO the game would need another level of dificult over the Vet mode, and not raising the current level of veteran and normal, cause there are a lot of people who started the game not long ago, and still struggle to do most of the content, and these people have the right to develop their skills and characters progressively.

So no, the game is not 'too easy' that is a perception of each one of us according to our level.

About vMA tokens... please not again.

FlyLionel

Yes, it'd be cool a token system

Yes, with Morrowind coming up it would make sense. Or at the very least make leaderboard runs a guaranteed item with a random trait at best.

Ladislao

No, PvE content is too easy

Let me copy messages so I do not repeat myself

Didgerion wrote: »

There is no such thing as smarter loot table.

What if someone is after 2H - powered for his rally bust on back bar? will you qualify this combo as a smart drop or not?
You will screw that person with your smart loot table.

parkham wrote: »

I have heard some people have run vMSA over a 1000 times. Is there any way to prove that? Someone seriously put in over a 1000 hours of gameplay on vMSA? That's hard to believe or hard core to the max in my book.

Artis wrote: »

NO ONE forced to do it if it's not fun. You are NOT entitled to have every item in the game. The master weapons are supposed to be rare, which means some people will not get them at all and some will take forever to get them. If it's not rewarding - don't play it. Play what you like so the process itself is rewarding. You don't need vMA weapons for anything in the game.

If a good player leaves? If you NEED vma weapons to be good, you were never a good player to begin with.

leandro.800ub17_ESO

Yes, it'd be cool a token system

Token to chose the weapon but RGN on trait or token for tarit and RNG on weapon

jrgray93

Yes, it'd be cool a token system

Ladislao wrote: »

Let me copy messages so I do not repeat myself

Didgerion wrote: »

There is no such thing as smarter loot table.

What if someone is after 2H - powered for his rally bust on back bar? will you qualify this combo as a smart drop or not?
You will screw that person with your smart loot table.

parkham wrote: »

I have heard some people have run vMSA over a 1000 times. Is there any way to prove that? Someone seriously put in over a 1000 hours of gameplay on vMSA? That's hard to believe or hard core to the max in my book.

Artis wrote: »

NO ONE forced to do it if it's not fun. You are NOT entitled to have every item in the game. The master weapons are supposed to be rare, which means some people will not get them at all and some will take forever to get them. If it's not rewarding - don't play it. Play what you like so the process itself is rewarding. You don't need vMA weapons for anything in the game.

If a good player leaves? If you NEED vma weapons to be good, you were never a good player to begin with.

All poor arguments. Nobody is saying to remove the less-desired traits entirely. There should just be a more predictable way to obtain the items you're after, such as picking 2-handed weapons and getting a random trait, rather than a 100% random weapon and trait. Nuanced changes are a thing that can be done.

Yes, some of us have put in hundreds of runs in vMA. Some of us maybe over 1000. There are people with nearly 2k CP, so why is this so shocking? Furthermore, why is this at all relevant to the discussion of fair rewards?

You don't need vMA weapons until you're fighting a player with vMA weapons. I can tell you right now they've been a difference between some builds being good or not for me. The thing is, players are investing significant amounts of time in this content and not being rewarded for their efforts. Sure, you aren't entitled to everything in the game; you have to work for it. It's not baseless 'entitlement' if you've done the content countless times.

Turelus

Yes, it'd be cool a token system

Aldenn wrote: »

As vMA will be certainly harder next patch because of cost reduction removal do you think it'll be good a token system? Otherwise, Do you think the pve content atm is just too easy and it'll be good having an hard challange? Just asking, i play pvp 99% of the time so i want your opinion. (I know a token system is just a dream)

Gimped my main character on live to have CP matching that of PTS, could still do vMA exactly the same (including L2P deaths).

You can see my stats below but as a fair warning, this will trigger you if you're a Min/Max player.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jM9-AihVpBMi8yiAN4_Se14JA1k4aRnRXmCW2F34K2k

Obviously this will differ in some changes I tried to note all I could.


As for the token system, I feel the game needs one and I hope if and when it comes they do it right. I don't want a one token from all content system where you can farm easy content and get tokens for harder.

DRXHarbinger

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jrgray93 wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

#NotanotherVMAtokenthread

Yeah, it's almost as if the reward is currently not worth the effort for 99%+ of players and the system is poorly designed, thus in need of change.

All it really needs is, completion is one whatever you want to call it. Outside there are what is it 7 chests? one completion get's open, so you can stack up like 30 tokens and dump them all into one chest for each weapon type and boom 30 shots at whatever weapon you want, guaranteed item type / random trait. perfectly fine balance of RNG and fairness.

Doesn't need to be overly complicated by any means, just if I don't want anymore of the 37 Sharp Daggers I already have I can exempt myself from it and choose to farm 1H maces if I wish. Doesn't need weighting on traits, EG 10 tokens for a better trait as that would be zos admitting bias to the traits.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Yes, it'd be cool a token system

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

#NotanotherVMAtokenthread

Why because you've got your weapons already?

Better than another complain morrowind thread.

Arkkon1

Yes, it'd be cool a token system

Been doing so many runs i've lost count if not i lost my mind let alone my sanity... i have been doing vMA almost religiously almost every day the last couple of month of so that its akin to being a Zealot.... now iam tired and i kinda lost hope for it.. all i want from there now is the 2 elusive Sharpened Destro Inferno/Shock staffs... then i dont want to see vMA again.. i hate to have to do it when or if they rise the CP LvL cap.... (i hope not at least not till i quit the game)

I would be awesome if they did a Token system AND OR say a trade in system.. like 5 vMA Weps u dont want for 1 u do want... For the love of god get rid of this RNG grind....

my 2 cents

DRXHarbinger

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Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

#NotanotherVMAtokenthread

Why because you've got your weapons already?

Better than another complain morrowind thread.

2 infernos and 1 lit staff, 37 sharp daggers, tons of mauls. But it took me a year to get my 1st sharp staff and that was doing it at least 10x weekly with 5 on the leaderboards EVERYWEEK I'm not impartial to crying over it by any means.

But yes maybe I do have them. But zos will never change it. They said they were looking into the grind with morrowind but given deltia had pts and morrowind access and rage quit the game (due to the grind) suffice to say they haven't done anything as he didn't notice it (and couldn't say so due to nda perhaps) says it all. ZOS does not give a *** about this issue.

Athrys5

Yes, it'd be cool a token system

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

#NotanotherVMAtokenthread

Why because you've got your weapons already?

Better than another complain morrowind thread.

2 infernos and 1 lit staff, 37 sharp daggers, tons of mauls. But it took me a year to get my 1st sharp staff and that was doing it at least 10x weekly with 5 on the leaderboards EVERYWEEK I'm not impartial to crying over it by any means.

But yes maybe I do have them. But zos will never change it. They said they were looking into the grind with morrowind but given deltia had pts and morrowind access and rage quit the game (due to the grind) suffice to say they haven't done anything as he didn't notice it (and couldn't say so due to nda perhaps) says it all. ZOS does not give a *** about this issue.

You're right man, but this is a big issue and it'll be even more big next patch. I didn't notice the other threads, sorry, but this is a problem that must be discussed. I've been farming vma since orsinium is out and i still didn't get what i want, this is completely ridiculous because i can't grind for the rest of my life to get a decent weap. I hope people keep making threads on this and that @ZOS_GinaBruno or whoever it is notice this and give us AT LEAST a response.
Furthermore The implementation of traits like charged or infused is ridiculous.