judgeing a book by its cover

Barbaran

ever since the patch notes everyone has freaked out.
a bunch of topics talking about the notes, multiple people posting that they are done with ESO now and that they are gonna cancel their pre order of morrowind.
the add on will go into PTS, people will play and adjustments will be made. if sustain is impossible without cp (not just more difficult) they will hear it and adjustments will be made. just like haunting curse did last patch, just like dragon blood did. the original notes are not finalized.
if you are overly worried, dont pre order morrowind. wait for the patch, play for a few weeks with the cp changes then make up your mind.
everyone freaked out for the no CP week in cyrodiil, and most people really enjoyed it.
i will take my own advise and try the new patch before i buy morrowind instead of just throwing out my game by reading a few notes.

Sneaky-Snurr

Oh my sweet summer child.

One shall not underestimate ZoS's way of doing things. Also, Morrowind patch notes.

sirston

i've seen leaks of the game's PTS and im concerned, thats why some are more worried than others. Also ZOS has a long history of not changing PTS at all when it goes live and just straight up releasing an update, with broken things in it. Then claim to fix them on a later patch.

ps. No I will not share what I've seen in leaks.

Sneaky-Snurr

sirston wrote: »

i've seen leaks of the game's PTS and im concerned, thats why some are more worried than others. Also ZOS has a long history of not changing PTS at all when it goes live and just straight up releasing an update, with broken things in it. Then claim to fix them on a later patch.

ps. No I will now share what I've seen in leaks.

@sirston
What sorcery is this?? You've said what I had in mind. Just a little lazy to type it out for OP.

kyle.wilson

sirston wrote: »

i've seen leaks of the game's PTS and im concerned, thats why some are more worried than others. Also ZOS has a long history of not changing PTS at all when it goes live and just straight up releasing an update, with broken things in it. Then claim to fix them on a later patch.

ps. No I will now share what I've seen in leaks.

That's really not true about no changes in pts. After substantial backlash over the curse changes, they backtracked and made it better than it was before the pts. When IC went live, there were many changes from the initial pts patch.
But, the final patch of pts is usually what will go live. We are only on the beginning stages of the PTS, many changes will occur over time.

Sneaky-Snurr

kyle.wilson wrote: »

sirston wrote: »

i've seen leaks of the game's PTS and im concerned, thats why some are more worried than others. Also ZOS has a long history of not changing PTS at all when it goes live and just straight up releasing an update, with broken things in it. Then claim to fix them on a later patch.

ps. No I will now share what I've seen in leaks.

That's really not true about no changes in pts. After substantial backlash over the curse changes, they backtracked and made it better than it was before the pts. When IC went live, there were many changes from the initial pts patch.
But, the final patch of pts is usually what will go live. We are only on the beginning stages of the PTS, many changes will occur over time.

@kyle.wilson
I sure hope it goes that way because as long as history goes, there are substantially more unchanged PTS patches than there are revised patches.

jedtb16_ESO

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

sirston wrote: »

i've seen leaks of the game's PTS and im concerned, thats why some are more worried than others. Also ZOS has a long history of not changing PTS at all when it goes live and just straight up releasing an update, with broken things in it. Then claim to fix them on a later patch.

ps. No I will now share what I've seen in leaks.

That's really not true about no changes in pts. After substantial backlash over the curse changes, they backtracked and made it better than it was before the pts. When IC went live, there were many changes from the initial pts patch.
But, the final patch of pts is usually what will go live. We are only on the beginning stages of the PTS, many changes will occur over time.

@kyle.wilson
I sure hope it goes that way because as long as history goes, there are substantially more unchanged PTS patches than there are revised patches.

could you publish your data for this please?

sirston

kyle.wilson wrote: »

sirston wrote: »

i've seen leaks of the game's PTS and im concerned, thats why some are more worried than others. Also ZOS has a long history of not changing PTS at all when it goes live and just straight up releasing an update, with broken things in it. Then claim to fix them on a later patch.

ps. No I will now share what I've seen in leaks.

That's really not true about no changes in pts. After substantial backlash over the curse changes, they backtracked and made it better than it was before the pts. When IC went live, there were many changes from the initial pts patch.
But, the final patch of pts is usually what will go live. We are only on the beginning stages of the PTS, many changes will occur over time.

well I stopped playing right when IC was being released As my guild disbanded and also was not pleased on what changes they made.

the last example I can give you, Is when One tam was being dropped and they had multiple issues at hand. like for example shadow cloak Not working right for Nightblade

Think It was criting On things is normally wouldn't?

and they just left the bug in and patched it two weeks later due to them taking time off. Which pissed a lot of people Off.

Sneaky-Snurr

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

sirston wrote: »

i've seen leaks of the game's PTS and im concerned, thats why some are more worried than others. Also ZOS has a long history of not changing PTS at all when it goes live and just straight up releasing an update, with broken things in it. Then claim to fix them on a later patch.

ps. No I will now share what I've seen in leaks.

That's really not true about no changes in pts. After substantial backlash over the curse changes, they backtracked and made it better than it was before the pts. When IC went live, there were many changes from the initial pts patch.
But, the final patch of pts is usually what will go live. We are only on the beginning stages of the PTS, many changes will occur over time.

@kyle.wilson
I sure hope it goes that way because as long as history goes, there are substantially more unchanged PTS patches than there are revised patches.

could you publish your data for this please?

@jedtb16_ESO
Sure let me find the data for you. Do you have a pen and paper ready?

sirston

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

sirston wrote: »

i've seen leaks of the game's PTS and im concerned, thats why some are more worried than others. Also ZOS has a long history of not changing PTS at all when it goes live and just straight up releasing an update, with broken things in it. Then claim to fix them on a later patch.

ps. No I will now share what I've seen in leaks.

That's really not true about no changes in pts. After substantial backlash over the curse changes, they backtracked and made it better than it was before the pts. When IC went live, there were many changes from the initial pts patch.
But, the final patch of pts is usually what will go live. We are only on the beginning stages of the PTS, many changes will occur over time.

@kyle.wilson
I sure hope it goes that way because as long as history goes, there are substantially more unchanged PTS patches than there are revised patches.

could you publish your data for this please?

@jedtb16_ESO
Sure let me find the data for you. Do you have a pen and paper ready?

I got you fam
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/138195/again-i-ask-why-are-player-reported-pts-bugs-not-fixed

jedtb16_ESO

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

sirston wrote: »

i've seen leaks of the game's PTS and im concerned, thats why some are more worried than others. Also ZOS has a long history of not changing PTS at all when it goes live and just straight up releasing an update, with broken things in it. Then claim to fix them on a later patch.

ps. No I will now share what I've seen in leaks.

That's really not true about no changes in pts. After substantial backlash over the curse changes, they backtracked and made it better than it was before the pts. When IC went live, there were many changes from the initial pts patch.
But, the final patch of pts is usually what will go live. We are only on the beginning stages of the PTS, many changes will occur over time.

@kyle.wilson
I sure hope it goes that way because as long as history goes, there are substantially more unchanged PTS patches than there are revised patches.

could you publish your data for this please?

@jedtb16_ESO
Sure let me find the data for you. Do you have a pen and paper ready?

pen and paper?

oh, so 1890's

Tryxus

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

sirston wrote: »

i've seen leaks of the game's PTS and im concerned, thats why some are more worried than others. Also ZOS has a long history of not changing PTS at all when it goes live and just straight up releasing an update, with broken things in it. Then claim to fix them on a later patch.

ps. No I will now share what I've seen in leaks.

That's really not true about no changes in pts. After substantial backlash over the curse changes, they backtracked and made it better than it was before the pts. When IC went live, there were many changes from the initial pts patch.
But, the final patch of pts is usually what will go live. We are only on the beginning stages of the PTS, many changes will occur over time.

@kyle.wilson
I sure hope it goes that way because as long as history goes, there are substantially more unchanged PTS patches than there are revised patches.

could you publish your data for this please?

@jedtb16_ESO
Sure let me find the data for you. Do you have a pen and paper ready?

pen and paper?

oh, so 1890's

Use pen and paper?

jedtb16_ESO

Tryxus wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

sirston wrote: »

i've seen leaks of the game's PTS and im concerned, thats why some are more worried than others. Also ZOS has a long history of not changing PTS at all when it goes live and just straight up releasing an update, with broken things in it. Then claim to fix them on a later patch.

ps. No I will now share what I've seen in leaks.

That's really not true about no changes in pts. After substantial backlash over the curse changes, they backtracked and made it better than it was before the pts. When IC went live, there were many changes from the initial pts patch.
But, the final patch of pts is usually what will go live. We are only on the beginning stages of the PTS, many changes will occur over time.

@kyle.wilson
I sure hope it goes that way because as long as history goes, there are substantially more unchanged PTS patches than there are revised patches.

could you publish your data for this please?

@jedtb16_ESO
Sure let me find the data for you. Do you have a pen and paper ready?

pen and paper?

oh, so 1890's

Use pen and paper?

i was havin a drink then and it spurted out my nose....

Didgerion

The NDA was partially lifted and there are already good videos that explain very well the impact of these changes.

Also there are lots of very experienced players that are good theory-crafters and it is easy for them to see the flaw in the new nerf without actually testing them.

Marabornwingrion

Barbaran wrote: »

the add on will go into PTS, people will play and adjustments will be made.

Not sure about what addon are you talking about, but I assume it's about Morrowind expansion.
This expansion already is on PTS. People are already playing it. And they don't like it (for example me).
Adjustments? What kind of adjustments? ZOS many times showed that they don't care about PTS feedback or even bugs reported there. 99% of the stuff that goes to PTS, after few weeks/months is going to live server without any big changes made.

Bombashaman

Barbaran wrote: »

ever since the patch notes everyone has freaked out.

I haven't.

Elsonso

sirston wrote: »

ZOS has a long history of not changing PTS at all when it goes live and just straight up releasing an update, with broken things in it. Then claim to fix them on a later patch.

Oddly enough, they also have a history of changing what goes Live based on feedback from PTS. Go figure.

jedtb16_ESO

lordrichter wrote: »

sirston wrote: »

ZOS has a long history of not changing PTS at all when it goes live and just straight up releasing an update, with broken things in it. Then claim to fix them on a later patch.

Oddly enough, they also have a history of changing what goes Live based on feedback from PTS. Go figure.

hey, you are being sensible. don't you realize the only acceptable response to anything zos does is outright hysteria?

xeNNNNN

Barbaran wrote: »

ever since the patch notes everyone has freaked out.
a bunch of topics talking about the notes, multiple people posting that they are done with ESO now and that they are gonna cancel their pre order of morrowind.
the add on will go into PTS, people will play and adjustments will be made. if sustain is impossible without cp (not just more difficult) they will hear it and adjustments will be made. just like haunting curse did last patch, just like dragon blood did. the original notes are not finalized.
if you are overly worried, dont pre order morrowind. wait for the patch, play for a few weeks with the cp changes then make up your mind.
everyone freaked out for the no CP week in cyrodiil, and most people really enjoyed it.
i will take my own advise and try the new patch before i buy morrowind instead of just throwing out my game by reading a few notes.

Oh yeah...I really enjoyed the stone fist spam from random pve'ers looking to make skill points from ranks. Yeah. "fun".

Barbaran

this statement was to say dont freak out until you try it. thats it? simple.
those of you able to play pts and dont like it, make your feedback heard for the rest of us. and if what they change still sucks when it goes live, then hey, RIP eso. but until they push that button and it goes live, noone knows the 100% way its gonna go down, regardless of pts patch notes. thats what a pts is for.

Elsonso

Barbaran wrote: »

this statement was to say dont freak out until you try it. thats it? simple.
those of you able to play pts and dont like it, make your feedback heard for the rest of us. and if what they change still sucks when it goes live, then hey, RIP eso. but until they push that button and it goes live, noone knows the 100% way its gonna go down, regardless of pts patch notes. thats what a pts is for.

Adding to this, if you can get on PTS, play for yourself and see first hand. Don't take the word of someone on the forums, some streamer, or anything like that, unless you have absolutely no way to check for yourself. A lot of what I have read about ESO over the last three years has been flat out wrong.

STEVIL

sirston wrote: »

i've seen leaks of the game's PTS and im concerned, thats why some are more worried than others. Also ZOS has a long history of not changing PTS at all when it goes live and just straight up releasing an update, with broken things in it. Then claim to fix them on a later patch.

ps. No I will not share what I've seen in leaks.

#altfacts - been here since it went live and have not seen one, not one, one single time ever the release and initial pts were identical. Did some things change and some stay the same - yep - every time.

STEVIL

Barbaran wrote: »

ever since the patch notes everyone has freaked out.
a bunch of topics talking about the notes, multiple people posting that they are done with ESO now and that they are gonna cancel their pre order of morrowind.
the add on will go into PTS, people will play and adjustments will be made. if sustain is impossible without cp (not just more difficult) they will hear it and adjustments will be made. just like haunting curse did last patch, just like dragon blood did. the original notes are not finalized.
if you are overly worried, dont pre order morrowind. wait for the patch, play for a few weeks with the cp changes then make up your mind.
everyone freaked out for the no CP week in cyrodiil, and most people really enjoyed it.
i will take my own advise and try the new patch before i buy morrowind instead of just throwing out my game by reading a few notes.

Exactly and RE the bold - note there has been ongoing no-cp pvp campaign for quite a while now and a recent week of no cp and at no point have those campaigns fallen apart due to no sustain, at least that i can recall.

ixie

STEVIL wrote: »

Barbaran wrote: »

ever since the patch notes everyone has freaked out.
a bunch of topics talking about the notes, multiple people posting that they are done with ESO now and that they are gonna cancel their pre order of morrowind.
the add on will go into PTS, people will play and adjustments will be made. if sustain is impossible without cp (not just more difficult) they will hear it and adjustments will be made. just like haunting curse did last patch, just like dragon blood did. the original notes are not finalized.
if you are overly worried, dont pre order morrowind. wait for the patch, play for a few weeks with the cp changes then make up your mind.
everyone freaked out for the no CP week in cyrodiil, and most people really enjoyed it.
i will take my own advise and try the new patch before i buy morrowind instead of just throwing out my game by reading a few notes.

Exactly and RE the bold - note there has been ongoing no-cp pvp campaign for quite a while now and a recent week of no cp and at no point have those campaigns fallen apart due to no sustain, at least that i can recall.

If the changes were only to the CP system I don't think people would be freaking out, it's the combination of losing resource management via both CP and skills etc

sirston

lordrichter wrote: »

Barbaran wrote: »

this statement was to say dont freak out until you try it. thats it? simple.
those of you able to play pts and dont like it, make your feedback heard for the rest of us. and if what they change still sucks when it goes live, then hey, RIP eso. but until they push that button and it goes live, noone knows the 100% way its gonna go down, regardless of pts patch notes. thats what a pts is for.

Adding to this, if you can get on PTS, play for yourself and see first hand. Don't take the word of someone on the forums, some streamer, or anything like that, unless you have absolutely no way to check for yourself. A lot of what I have read about ESO over the last three years has been flat out wrong.

But Lordrichter, as much as a reasonable and well Known person of these forums. You would have to agree at some point that ZOS have not always told the foremost truth, including subjects if they indeed fixed a Bug or are changing their business income. Again
I've Also seen for the last three years Zenimax Online studio Lie to their customers on different subjects. For example the most recent when ESO+ wouldn't cover this coming expansion and they claim its a new chapter and isn't covered.

I personally Don't want to see another Star Wars Galaxies when Releasing the Trials of Obi-Wan expansion, getting people's money for it and then the next day without any forewarning whatsoever overhauling the whole game with NGE.

ashenb14_ESO

Barbaran wrote: »

ever since the patch notes everyone has freaked out.
a bunch of topics talking about the notes, multiple people posting that they are done with ESO now and that they are gonna cancel their pre order of morrowind.
the add on will go into PTS, people will play and adjustments will be made. if sustain is impossible without cp (not just more difficult) they will hear it and adjustments will be made. just like haunting curse did last patch, just like dragon blood did. the original notes are not finalized.
if you are overly worried, dont pre order morrowind. wait for the patch, play for a few weeks with the cp changes then make up your mind.
everyone freaked out for the no CP week in cyrodiil, and most people really enjoyed it.
i will take my own advise and try the new patch before i buy morrowind instead of just throwing out my game by reading a few notes.

many of us have been testing it on the PTS, you could yourself, it sucks, and my mains a sorc, but hey, trust zos they can do no wrong!!!

ashenb14_ESO

ashenb14_ESO

i have played it, test server setup and...as a sorc...the resource management changes suck major arse.... i now have to rework my gear build after wasting all those resources crafting it...because...hey...longer slower fights with lots of heavy attacks are ALOT more fun..specially against trash mobs!!!

alexkdd99

Didgerion wrote: »

The NDA was partially lifted and there are already good videos that explain very well the impact of these changes.

Also there are lots of very experienced players that are good theory-crafters and it is easy for them to see the flaw in the new nerf without actually testing them.

Wonder if the new crafted sets with Morrowind were in the NDA release. I've seen quite a few things posted on here that are in morrowind. Usually closed and deleted fairly soon after they are posted.

Out of all the PTS they have done the number of things they changed or reverted from player feedback is miniscule.

WalksonGraves

I judge a post by it's grammar.

Sweetpea704

ashenb14_ESO wrote: »

i have played it, test server setup and...as a sorc...the resource management changes suck major arse.... i now have to rework my gear build after wasting all those resources crafting it...because...hey...longer slower fights with lots of heavy attacks are ALOT more fun..specially against trash mobs!!!

So, what is your set up? My friend and I took our sorcs in the new trial and both were consistently doing 20% of the damage in each fight. My sorc wears Elegant and Burning Spell Weave. I would say that sorcs are the least effected, unless your build just has no regen.