are cp changes insane?

Aldenn

I've been playing ESO for 2 years now and those cp changes seem so stupid. It seems like ESO is declining and devs are ruining it honestly, it's going very bad and the community is having big players losses, for example most of ESO's content creators on yt are leaving. What do you think? Do you think that this patch is positive?

Vapirko

They're not leaving because of the CP changes. On the contrary, most believe the CP changes to be the only thing headed in the right direction this patch.

Shader_Shibes

Cp changes are fine. Just zos went a bit crazy nerfing other *** at the same time.

laksikus

The cp changes are The right thing.
Whats The Wrong thing is nerfing The sustain from different classes to the ground.
Bringing The classes sustain at Bar while The dps is not really balanced will just kill nightblades in pve.

lunalitetempler

Aldenn wrote: »

I've been playing ESO for 2 years now and those cp changes seem so stupid. It seems like ESO is declining and devs are ruining it honestly, it's going very bad and the community is having big players losses, for example most of ESO's content creators on yt are leaving. What do you think? Do you think that this patch is positive?

Calm down Meg!

Flaminir

As others have said:

CP changes are good.

ZoS should have stopped there and see how that panned out.

They didn't.... And it's all the class and skill changes after that which are not good & causing concern.

AzraelKrieg

Flaminir wrote: »

As others have said:

CP changes are good.

ZoS should have stopped there and see how that panned out.

They didn't.... And it's all the class and skill changes after that which are not good & causing concern.

While the class and skill changes are extreme, there was a vocal community calling for extreme adjustments. Now they have those adjustments, they don't want them anymore and prefer the old, incremental changes. As for the CP changes, good job by ZOS

Tasear

It's alot at once but anyone who leaves will be made up by Morrowind population increase, so it's a good time to do it.

hmsdragonfly

Aldenn wrote: »

I've been playing ESO for 2 years now and those cp changes seem so stupid. It seems like ESO is declining and devs are ruining it honestly, it's going very bad and the community is having big players losses, for example most of ESO's content creators on yt are leaving. What do you think? Do you think that this patch is positive?

Log into PTS and test it first :x

Alcast

Aldenn wrote: »

I've been playing ESO for 2 years now and those cp changes seem so stupid. It seems like ESO is declining and devs are ruining it honestly, it's going very bad and the community is having big players losses, for example most of ESO's content creators on yt are leaving. What do you think? Do you think that this patch is positive?

CP changes are very good for the game, what are you talking about?

Rohamad_Ali

There is a lot of confusion about the cp system and the actual issue of resource cuts accross the board and inside some classes . Hopefully it gets ironed out here soon .

jedtb16_ESO

Aldenn wrote: »

I've been playing ESO for 2 years now and those cp changes seem so stupid. It seems like ESO is declining and devs are ruining it honestly, it's going very bad and the community is having big players losses, for example most of ESO's content creators on yt are leaving. What do you think? Do you think that this patch is positive?

yes i think it is positive.

you should not be able to endlessly spam skills without consequence.

Godeko

The main problem is the class balance, not the cp changes.

Tommy_The_Gun

Godeko wrote: »

The main problem is the class balance, not the cp changes.

ZOS in nerfing all classes.. but wait.. all of them ? Of course Sourcerer-ninja-assasin-tank-warrior-mage-healer Op will have only this:

"Dark Exchange: This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast."

And compared to other classes this is like just a formal change and not a significant nerf. Class that is already super OP and is like 90% of cyrodill population has almost no changes while other classes are getting wrecked.
And NB (already class that is considered the worst - both magicka & stamina) is getting it core gameplay mechanics removed (stealth dmg bonus removed) WTF ZOS ? ? ? It is like not allowing sorcerer to summon pets or removing templar's healing bonus... Please ZOS... stop favouring one particular class ffs...


From PTS:
Sneak attacks no longer grant a bonus to Critical Damage when used against other players. Sneak attacks will continue to guarantee a Critical Strike and stun the target, and will also still grant a bonus to Critical Damage when used against monsters.

Developer Comments:

Even though Sneak attacks currently have a lower Critical Damage bonus against players than against monsters, they still allow you to burst another player down in a matter of seconds without granting them enough time to react. Removing the Critical Damage bonus against players grants victims of sneak attacks more counterplay.

So They completely destroyed stealth dmg in cyrodill PvP while leaving sorcerer Streak, Haunting Curse and Conjured Ward shield stacking unchanged ? ? ? How on earth did ZOS designed NB to be a glass cannon stealth based dmg class. That is the whole point of assassin class. To deal a lot of dmg in short time so your enemy won't have a chance to react. And if you did not succeeded and your target had a chance to react - then you are dead... and now it is just like saying:
You invested your time & money to create and level up an assassin NB. F**K YOU. You can no longer use this play style !

btw. How did it get the attention of the ZOS ? ? IS this really that a big deal ? NB gankers ?
FFs most of the time I am killed out of nowhere in PvP by mag sorcerers... stun, Haunting Curse spam, 2 - 4 explosions and I am dead. And most of the time I am killed by a stealth ganker - it is a stam sorcerer not a NB.. Yes pretty much - if a NB attacks me from stealth I usually have a chance to react. Paradoxically - non NB are already better at stealth ganking than NB.... WTF ZOS ? ? ? Did your developer balancing team actually played in PvP at lest once ? ? ? Did they ? Did they saw what Introducing desto-ult did to PvP ? ? Did they saw how tanky full dps sorcerer builds are ? ? Did they ever saw a infinity shield stacking sorcerer ? NO ? well then I suggest to actually see what is going on on the live PvP servers before balancing it ffs ! ! !

Sorry for the long post. I am tired. My main character is NB (created long time ago when game was using subscription model, before B2P model). I started to play PvP just to unlock skill points. I slowly adapted gear & skill to stealthy ganker / bow play style. And now - it is all wasted just because some as*-head in ZOS balancing department hates NB and is fauvoring sorcerer. F**k this !

K4RMA

CP changes is good, class changes is bad.

ZOS pls nerf the nerf team

Sigma957

CP changes are very good but the heavy nerf bat to templar skill unique to them is a bit hard.

notimetocare

Sigma957 wrote: »

CP changes are very good but the heavy nerf bat to templar skill unique to them is a bit hard.

If they didnt, templar would be mandatory. It would be worse than now

THEDKEXPERIENCE

"Everyone is leaving" = 99.9% of the player base will return and Morrowind will attract new players but since Deltia threw a fit and some forumors overreacted to scare all of their non forum friends into thinking the sky is falling then EVERYBODY PANIC!!

Aldenn

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

"Everyone is leaving" = 99.9% of the player base will return and Morrowind will attract new players but since Deltia threw a fit and some forumors overreacted to scare all of their non forum friends into thinking the sky is falling then EVERYBODY PANIC!!

i don't even follow deltia tbh, i wasn't talking about him in particular but the whole community and even small content creators which were good players.
Anyway thanks for the answers i see most of the people like those cp changes but not class ones, i thought they were a bit "extreme". Gotta try the PTS out then.

Wolfenbelle

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

So They completely destroyed stealth dmg in cyrodill PvP...

That, right there, is the problem with everything ZOS does regarding so-called balance. It's all about PVP. According to @ZOS_GinaBruno, ZOS is committed "100%" to not separating PVP and PVE balancing. Well earth to PVP players and ZOS...this game is not all about PVP. Everything about PVP and PVE is different: play styles, gear, objectives, balance requirements...everything.

To balance the game for PVP is to totally screw PVE players, and ZOS has done this time and time again.

A couple of years ago, there was a lot of complaining about having to level up to v160, so ZOS created the CP system. It was supposed to be a better way to level characters. Those of us who pointed out the flaws in this line of reasoning were dismissed as "whiners." Now many people want the CP system abandoned, or if not abandoned then radically changed from its original purpose. The nerfs this go round are so severe that they completely penalize PVE players who have been in the game the longest. PVP gets their shiny new low sustain toy to play with, and the new/newer players will feel strong until they level above that mysterious, magic point when what used to be a buff for them suddenly becomes a nerf due to all the things now based off character level.

So OP, the answer to your question is that it isn't only the CP changes that are "insane." It's the whole massive game-rejiggering mess that's nuts.

TequilaFire

PvP players did not want the class nerfs.
Also just look at the NB damage from stealth nerf it does separate PvP and PvE as the bonus still works against mobs but not players.

The CP changes were good to limit sustain it should have stopped there
.
But I suppose PvE players have to keep perpetuating this stupid PvE vs PvP war so they don't have to admit maybe they were just a little OP and facerolling a lot of content.

They figure if you say it enough it must be true instead of accepting the facts.