New to the community of ESO

Splat_86

Greetings community.

I am a very new member to have arrived at this community and to Elder Scrolls Online.
This is my very first time having contact with ESO as a MMORPG, before i played World of Warcraft, when i stated to some people even real life friends that i left WoW they told me that something was wrong with me. Are they right saying that? Maybe or maybe not. At the present day i know that WoW has become stale, a themed park MMORPG, it's not fun for me anymore...or simply i am the guilty one because i can't keep up with the content. What i feel as a person is that the last time i logged to WoW the magic that i felt before wasn't there anymore.

Am i searching for a replacement to that game? Yes of course, i love MMORPG's, i love that this genre attracts me by it's lore, characters, bosses, dungeons, social interaction, scenarios/landscapes, etc..something that is attractive to me as a player, i played Oblivion, Skyrim and i love those games so i am willing to give ESO a go and maybe i was missing out on a really good game, who knows?

It's not a easy change, it's not easy to change from a game that i consider to be or that was for many years my favorite MMORPG to this, at first impression, also great game.
Honestly i think that WoW and ESO are different in many ways and when playing both games they have a different feel in my opinion.

I wish to ask first of all your help and advice about the Nightblade class. Is there a specific race that fits more as Nightblade? Also is there guides or a website that can show me reliable and updated builds for the different classes?

I also wished to ask the community, to all those willing to reply, what do you think of ESO? What are your feelings about the game?
I've read and heard some video reviews about the game stating that it had a rough launch because of bugs and other issues (what game doesn't have issues?) but since then it improved leaps and bounds, is this true?

(This i have read on steam forums and i don't know if it's true or not) Is ESO a game where the social aspect is not encouraged or is it ignored by players?

Final question and sorry for the long post.

Do you think that ESO, since launch until the present day, has become a good or a very good MMORPG or not good at all? Is there potential for this game to grow and to keep improving?

Thank you all.

Beardimus

Only a quick reply as I'm on the move, I have played WoW, didn't appeal to me at all, no MMORPG did previously I've Played ESO since console launch (nr 2 years) and its epic. There is so much to do, so much content

I play slow. I dont grind, don't farm, I enjoy all the content of the game at a slow place. I have a huge amount of content left to do, I'm still finding whole arears.

It's hugely social. I started with 3 real life mates ans had no inention of chatting to others. Now I'm in 4 other guilds have made good friends, been helped by so many people on my way up and now I'm helping others crafting things for them etc.

Content comes out quarterly but you don't have to do it all, I'm behind on a couple of zones but saving them for a rainy day.

This forum is classic as forums goes. So really nice people, some real helpers and information however its also carrying alot of negativity right now. The forthcoming update is going to change how resource management works so alpt of people upset as the status quo is going to change. So I expect some nay sayers to descend upon your post in a while and tell you all that.

Bottom line is the REAL in game community is awesome, and growing fast and there is a huge amount of content.

Don't rush it. Don't grind. Jist okay slow enjoy the amazing lands and storyline amd meet people as you go. It's epic.

But find your own way. Don't ask on here and let biased people sway you in any direction. Put the disc in and just play. I had no inention of loving this game or commiting. But two years I'm I haven't bought another Xbox game. I'm in for the long haul

Either way - welcome. Enjoy. And remember this is NOT WoW its ESO. Don't compare. Don't expect what you had there to be here. Play ESO as ESO as its very different.

zaria

As you might know you can be member of 5 guilds, this is account based so all alts is automatically members.
This give options as you often get special interest guilds and you can check out guilds before committing.

And the in game community is an matter of finding good guilds as you should know.

notimetocare

Best advice currently, ignore anyone that is anti-next patch. They may have valid complaints for sure, but currently they are nothing but a toxin in the communities veins.

Aeladiir

Ever since early 2015 to early 2016, it seemed the game is going to be heading into the right direction and become more Elder Scrolls like. But after this game started focusing on pure grinding, it just kind of died to me. It seemed the developers decided to take "just another average MMO" route, instead of "another Elder Scrolls game" route.

Writing is horrid, dialogue could be written by a 12 years old, story is rushed through, cliched and filled with embarassing comic relief. Sadly, this sentence makes up for a huge portion of the game. I had really hoped they would improve their writing in DLCs, but main stories in Orsinium, Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Gulid prove that all they do is apply a generic story, then provide a random twist to it. Nothing has changed, nothing will change. I refuse to even visit ESO's Morrowind under these circumstances.

All other zones are pretty much the same, with reskinned environments, but ultimately the same objectives. Gameplay stands out a bit, but is plagued by animation cancelling, horrid balance and a depressing gameplay philosophy from Mr W. At the end of the day, this game is nothing but grind. It's just that here, in ESO, you're - arguably - not grinding mobs, but low-quality quests that you will only remember if you do them three times over (and, of course, the quests are, at the same time, just a bunch of fetch quests and kill quests). It's just not interesting if you're looking for something more than average.

MMO genre, at the moment, is a mess. I'm sad that Zenimax has the resources to do something about it, but they don't try to do anything. Even in 2014, they could've become literal kings of the genre, but they started making a 2008 MMO in 2008, and released it in 2014.

It's funny how Bethesda is trying so hard to appeal to wider masses nowadays, but ultimately fails. ESO is generic as hell and it seemes the devs have accepted its fate and decided they would not go for the Elder Scrolls feel (because, hey, the lore is enough, right? r-r-r-right?), Elder Scrolls Legends is a fail that only a few thousand people are playing, Fallout 4 was way behind for its time. It is ridiculous how out of all the games published by Bethesda, Fallout Shelter stands out the most when it comes to comparison with its competition. And it's garbage.

The thing that stands out the most is the justice system, but even the latter is unfinished, grindy and quickly becomes old.

Just a reminder that there will never be no:
- spellcrafting
- jewelrycrafting
- crafting that actually matters
- diving
- sailing
- justice system pt. 2
- enjoyable housing
- enjoyable barber shop
- enjoyable and rewarding gear acquisition
- a stable pvp in cyrodiil
- pressure-free balance changes where you are not afraid of devs ruining your gaming life for the next 3 months
- a traditional arena-based pvp (4v4v4, lol)
- activities (as in horse racing)
- events with any kind of depth whatsoever (birthday, halloween, christmas and april fools were all shallow and boring)
- fix to animation cancelling, because it's a "feature"
- actual fun when playing with friends (ever since 2014, there have been ZERO memorable moments, that we would look and laugh upon in the future)

notimetocare

Aeladiir wrote: »

Ever since early 2015 to early 2016, it seemed the game is going to be heading into the right direction and become more Elder Scrolls like. But after this game started focusing on pure grinding, it just kind of died to me. It seemed the developers decided to take "just another average MMO" route, instead of "another Elder Scrolls game" route.

Writing is horrid, dialogue could be written by a 12 years old, story is rushed through, cliched and filled with embarassing comic relief. Sadly, this sentence makes up for a huge portion of the game. I had really hoped they would improve their writing in DLCs, but main stories in Orsinium, Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Gulid prove that all they do is apply a generic story, then provide a random twist to it. Nothing has changed, nothing will change. I refuse to even visit ESO's Morrowind under these circumstances.

All other zones are pretty much the same, with reskinned environments, but ultimately the same objectives. Gameplay stands out a bit, but is plagued by animation cancelling, horrid balance and a depressing gameplay philosophy from Mr W. At the end of the day, this game is nothing but grind. It's just that here, in ESO, you're - arguably - not grinding mobs, but low-quality quests that you will only remember if you do them three times over (and, of course, the quests are, at the same time, just a bunch of fetch quests and kill quests). It's just not interesting if you're looking for something more than average.

MMO genre, at the moment, is a mess. I'm sad that Zenimax has the resources to do something about it, but they don't try to do anything. Even in 2014, they could've become literal kings of the genre, but they started making a 2008 MMO in 2008, and released it in 2014.

It's funny how Bethesda is trying so hard to appeal to wider masses nowadays, but ultimately fails. ESO is generic as hell and it seemes the devs have accepted its fate and decided they would not go for the Elder Scrolls feel (because, hey, the lore is enough, right? r-r-r-right?), Elder Scrolls Legends is a fail that only a few thousand people are playing, Fallout 4 was way behind for its time. It is ridiculous how out of all the games published by Bethesda, Fallout Shelter stands out the most when it comes to comparison with its competition. And it's garbage.

The thing that stands out the most is the justice system, but even the latter is unfinished, grindy and quickly becomes old.

I get the feeling you have no idea what to do to make a great MMORPG, do you? If you do, why not make one?

Streega

What can I tell you... ESO is a great game - has it's ups and downs, but currently is in a rather stable and very playable state. Also, being a part of The Elder Scrolls universe it has HUGE lore background.
Community is much more friendly and helpful then in other MMOs I've played, but of course has it's dark side (like every single online community). Just find a nice guild and pay them toxic fools no attention. Don't be alarmed by current hassle on the forums caused by latest patch notes, the incoming changes are not bad at all - it's just every crybaby on the forum is scared of loosing their comfy build they got used to. Much ado about nothing. And I know what I'm talking about - you have to believe me, as I'm not allowed to discuss it yet due to NDA
As for Nightblade class: Bosmer (Wood Elf) and Khajiit are my choices for Stamina Nightblade. If you want to play as a Magica Nightblade, I would reccomend Dunmer (Dark Elf) - but feel free to play whatever you want to, the point is to have fun.
Here is one of the best compendium about everything ESO-related: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Elder+Scrolls+Online+Wiki
I play ESO since early access in 2014 and still didn't explore whole content. I can describe myself as an "experienced casual" - I play for fun, not for the achievements. With the incoming Morrowind Chapter of course the game grows, and I can see myself here for another 3 years at least.

Welcome to ESO - good luck, and enjoy

EDIT: About what Aeladiir wrote above: you cannot compare single-player TES games to an MMO. Yes, the quests are more shallow and simple, there is some grind involved, but... The point of MMO is to play with others, not to immerse yourself up to your ears deep in multi-stage, complicated quest with multiple choices and outcomes, because you simply cannot do that in a MMO. As for the grind: if your only goal is get to lvl 50 in two days and get BiS golden gear within a week, then yes, you have to grind your hiney to the bone. If your goal is to git gud and be a millonaire, you have to grind. But if you want to enjoy the story and the environment with your friends in the best MMORPG game currently on the market - you don't have to do anything, just play the game...

Aeladiir

notimetocare wrote: »

Aeladiir wrote: »

Ever since early 2015 to early 2016, it seemed the game is going to be heading into the right direction and become more Elder Scrolls like. But after this game started focusing on pure grinding, it just kind of died to me. It seemed the developers decided to take "just another average MMO" route, instead of "another Elder Scrolls game" route.

Writing is horrid, dialogue could be written by a 12 years old, story is rushed through, cliched and filled with embarassing comic relief. Sadly, this sentence makes up for a huge portion of the game. I had really hoped they would improve their writing in DLCs, but main stories in Orsinium, Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Gulid prove that all they do is apply a generic story, then provide a random twist to it. Nothing has changed, nothing will change. I refuse to even visit ESO's Morrowind under these circumstances.

All other zones are pretty much the same, with reskinned environments, but ultimately the same objectives. Gameplay stands out a bit, but is plagued by animation cancelling, horrid balance and a depressing gameplay philosophy from Mr W. At the end of the day, this game is nothing but grind. It's just that here, in ESO, you're - arguably - not grinding mobs, but low-quality quests that you will only remember if you do them three times over (and, of course, the quests are, at the same time, just a bunch of fetch quests and kill quests). It's just not interesting if you're looking for something more than average.

MMO genre, at the moment, is a mess. I'm sad that Zenimax has the resources to do something about it, but they don't try to do anything. Even in 2014, they could've become literal kings of the genre, but they started making a 2008 MMO in 2008, and released it in 2014.

It's funny how Bethesda is trying so hard to appeal to wider masses nowadays, but ultimately fails. ESO is generic as hell and it seemes the devs have accepted its fate and decided they would not go for the Elder Scrolls feel (because, hey, the lore is enough, right? r-r-r-right?), Elder Scrolls Legends is a fail that only a few thousand people are playing, Fallout 4 was way behind for its time. It is ridiculous how out of all the games published by Bethesda, Fallout Shelter stands out the most when it comes to comparison with its competition. And it's garbage.

The thing that stands out the most is the justice system, but even the latter is unfinished, grindy and quickly becomes old.

I get the feeling you have no idea what to do to make a great MMORPG, do you? If you do, why not make one?

>takes his time to write his personal opinion on the game
>is immediately attacked with an ad hominem
wew lad, u so edgy

colig

notimetocare wrote: »

Best advice currently, ignore anyone that is anti-next patch. They may have valid complaints for sure, but currently they are nothing but a toxin in the communities veins.

"Please ignore people that disagree with me. They're toxic."

colig

Splat_86 wrote: »

Greetings community.

I am a very new member to have arrived at this community and to Elder Scrolls Online.
This is my very first time having contact with ESO as a MMORPG, before i played World of Warcraft, when i stated to some people even real life friends that i left WoW they told me that something was wrong with me. Are they right saying that? Maybe or maybe not. At the present day i know that WoW has become stale, a themed park MMORPG, it's not fun for me anymore...or simply i am the guilty one because i can't keep up with the content. What i feel as a person is that the last time i logged to WoW the magic that i felt before wasn't there anymore.

Am i searching for a replacement to that game? Yes of course, i love MMORPG's, i love that this genre attracts me by it's lore, characters, bosses, dungeons, social interaction, scenarios/landscapes, etc..something that is attractive to me as a player, i played Oblivion, Skyrim and i love those games so i am willing to give ESO a go and maybe i was missing out on a really good game, who knows?

It's not a easy change, it's not easy to change from a game that i consider to be or that was for many years my favorite MMORPG to this, at first impression, also great game.
Honestly i think that WoW and ESO are different in many ways and when playing both games they have a different feel in my opinion.

I wish to ask first of all your help and advice about the Nightblade class. Is there a specific race that fits more as Nightblade? Also is there guides or a website that can show me reliable and updated builds for the different classes?

I also wished to ask the community, to all those willing to reply, what do you think of ESO? What are your feelings about the game?
I've read and heard some video reviews about the game stating that it had a rough launch because of bugs and other issues (what game doesn't have issues?) but since then it improved leaps and bounds, is this true?

(This i have read on steam forums and i don't know if it's true or not) Is ESO a game where the social aspect is not encouraged or is it ignored by players?

Final question and sorry for the long post.

Do you think that ESO, since launch until the present day, has become a good or a very good MMORPG or not good at all? Is there potential for this game to grow and to keep improving?

Thank you all.

It's a very good MMO. There's definitely a social aspect to it -- you can join up to 5 guilds and talk to everyone in them. If have any previous experience with the other games in the Elder Scrolls series, you'll definitely enjoy it, but remember it is an MMO and not another single player game like its predecessors were.

onemoredragon

Hi there and welcome.

I played WoW long time ago but didn't get far with it, but you're right - these two games are very different, so you'll have to learn a lot of new things, which is the exciting part, right

As a fan of TES games, I must say ESO, despite it being an MMO game unlike previous games, still has the feel and the grasp of the wonderful elder scrolls atmosphere. However, you shouldn't expect questing experience to be the same as the single player game. Sharing the same lore and giving us much bigger world to explore, ESO has great stories on its own. I heard a lot of critics concerning lore and storytelling, but that might be just people expecting too much from an MMO.

Now about your Nightblade inquiry. There are typically 2 types of character builds in the game, based on your chosen attribute - magicka or stamina. So if you want to play magicka-oriented build, you should choose the race that contributes most to the magicka capabilities of your character (of you are a minmaxer sort of player). For example, altmer or breton are good choices for magicka nightblade. Mag builds tend to use magic weapons as staves and their class abilities the most. If you want to play stamina build, then you can take a look at redguard or khajiit. Stamina builds use their weapon abilities the most, I'd say. There are also races like argonian or imperial, which provide boosts for your resource management and resource pools - these can make good tanks. So it also depends on what you want to play in the end game - damage dealer, tank or healer. Otherwise, any racial choice that appeals to you is absolutely and totally fine

Also note, that the big update is coming soon, so stuff may change. Even though there's been a lot of confusion on the forums concerning the changes, maybe it's a good time for a new player to jump into the game, explore the new class (Warden) and adapt to the changes with everyone else.

The game has improved tremendously since launch, but of course, there are bugs here and there, just as in any game.
For the social aspect, joining guilds is a way to go - you can post in 'looking for guild' section on this forum or find a guild directly in the game, if you keep an eye on zone chat messages, where guilds are usually recruiting.

I'd personally rate ESO.. hmm.. 7/10, this is a super positive opinion I guess, but truly I had a lot of fun here.
So, enjoy your stay if you decide to give it a try!

onemoredragon

Oh and the guides - check Player Guides section, there are people's discussions about builds and stuff in there.
But I'd say anything with ''eso beginners guide'' relevant to the date would be ok.
A couple of channels might be interesting to check though:
Alcast (has builds for every class)
Gilliam the Rogue (would recommend this if you are interested in Nightblade, but maybe it's for more experienced player):
Stamina DPS NB
Magicka DPS NB

KochDerDamonen

Splat_86 wrote: »

I wish to ask first of all your help and advice about the Nightblade class. Is there a specific race that fits more as Nightblade? Also is there guides or a website that can show me reliable and updated builds for the different classes?

If you want to pick a race to benefit your play, consider what role you want to fill with your character instead of what class they are. Stamina damage, Magicka damage or Tankiness. 'course there's also healing, which mostly lines up with magicka damage, and if you plan on PvPing or don't mind a little loss in performance for looks you can really do whatever you want.
Generally speaking, the races with effective passives are as follows. Not to say who is best in what case, but they have things that help builds focused on that stat
Stamina: Redguard, Khajiit, Bosmer, Orc, Dunmer, Imperial
Magicka: Altmer, Breton, Dunmer, Argonian
Health: Imperial, Argonian, Orc, Nord

http://tamrielfoundry.com/ I prefer Tamriel Foundry if I ever need to look something up.

Splat_86 wrote: »

I also wished to ask the community, to all those willing to reply, what do you think of ESO? What are your feelings about the game?
I've read and heard some video reviews about the game stating that it had a rough launch because of bugs and other issues (what game doesn't have issues?) but since then it improved leaps and bounds, is this true?

Launch year was a paid extended beta, I don't think anyone would disagree with that statement. Dragonknight mages dominated the landscape, softcaps pinched any focused builds hard, only a couple of new dungeons and the Craglorn zone came to see the light of day during this time despite promises about other content.

Improved leaps and bounds? In many regards, yes. In other ways not so much. After Tamriel Unlimited (b2p patch) quite a few DLCs have dropped, and I'm sure you know of the upcoming expansion(or chapter, whatever) Morrowind. Game performance in Cyrodiil still isn't very good and the zone itself is mostly untouched outside of the addition of capturable towns leaving it pretty stale for old-hats, I still think the siege gameplay and overall combat is fun but I can understand how grating it is to folks that primarily PvP. One Tamriel gave us GW2-esque world scaling, all players of all factions can venture to any world zone at any level and any time, every zone has some gear sets to look into, dungeons can now be accessed at a larger variety of levels and players can group together despite level disparities thanks to some stat scaling systems for better or worse. In this same time we've seen the introduction of the Crown Store, and its progression towards making use of gambling crates to entice players to drop larger and larger sums of money on cosmetics, price hikes and questionable ethics in their usage of limited time offers and crown-store-exclusive crafting motifs (two of which exist, and they and their crafting materials are unobtainable outside of the crown store when they are in-season.).

Splat_86 wrote: »

(This i have read on steam forums and i don't know if it's true or not) Is ESO a game where the social aspect is not encouraged or is it ignored by players?

In zone chat you will never have a problem finding people willing to go on about something, unless you play around maybe like 3-5AM EST after most US players have hit the hay but most Oceanic players haven't gotten on yet. Guilds are easy to find, guilds that exist purely for trade in the guild stores system are generally not very sociable, PvE/PvP guilds are a mixed bag but generally a little talkative at least, social oriented and roleplay guilds are easy to find and can chew your ear off but may not be the best for finding players to tackle harder content with.

I often have the problem when using the LFG tool of some or all of my groupmates seeming to ignore or being oblivious to the text chat. Personal experience, can't be sure if it's a language barrier or something. I can't speak for how it compares to other MMOs, but it is bothersome when you try to explain a mechanic or ask how everyone's doing and you're met with dead air.

Splat_86 wrote: »

Do you think that ESO, since launch until the present day, has become a good or a very good MMORPG or not good at all? Is there potential for this game to grow and to keep improving?

This is the only MMO I've put more than a day's-worth of time into other than Runescape. Take that as you will, Runescape was more of a middle-school fling to chat with friends though
ESO has promise, but things are slow. The last patch (Housing) certainly added a lot in terms of amount of new stuff, but nothing(or very little) has been done over the past months to improve the LFG queue, balance concerns, performance or stagnation in PvP.
If you don't mind me being a little doom-and-gloom for a moment, the current treatment of the crown store worries me that we may go the way of SWtoR. Zenimax seems unsure as to whether they want classes to be templates that can fill any role with their own utilities and flare, or more traditional bound setups wherein each class would fill a predefined role and be balanced for that.

Being a bit of an MMO veteran yourself, I'm sure you know that when you see the General Forum spammed with threads complaining about things people want nerfed, things people don't want nerfed, and things that are getting nerfed that it's just the same ol' same ol'. Don't let the forums get you down, you've already got the game in your hands and the subscription isn't required. Ultimately you've got all the time in the world to decide how you feel about it.

Zoner

Welcome

A good thing to do would be to join a good guild and get someone to show you the ropes. Most people don't mind pointing you in the right direction.

Also, the forums are pretty toxic so I'd leave it as an occasional thing

waterfairy

Sadly you're very late to the party, nightblades will be killed along with templars in june and this community is on a downward decline along with the game.
But hey if all you like to do is play basic quests, spend real money on overpriced crap and work on your house then this game is great for you

Splat_86

Greetings.
I wish to thank you all for the feedback...even the one that is less optimistic about this game.

I see that many people don't agree or don't like the crown store...personally i don't mind it, very few MMORPG's these days don't have a store of some sort where people can or not (matter of choice) spend real money or even game money/gems/crowns to obtain cosmetic items, mounts etc...
I will probably use the store for sure because the cosmetic items, housing and mounts etc interest me.

World of Warcraft is played by millions of players with a monthly subscription model and it also has a store with items and mounts, that doesn't make it better or worse than any other MMORPG and i think the same applies to ESO.

What i don't like at all is the store model that exists within the so called free to play MMORPG called SWTOR, in there if you willing to spend money you can have an advantage in comparison to other players, and if you do it lifts of certain limitations.

What i like in games like ESO is that it's not Pay to Win, you can spend money, real money but only if you chose to. Bethesda/Zenimax stopped the monthly sub model, maybe it was because it was driving people away or just to be different from others but i love that they did so so they have to implement other system that brings them profit...it's a normal thing, same a any company out there on the video game industry or not.

I feels funny to see in this and any other game out there people expressing hate towards it or a dislike of huge proportions or that the game is going down to the ground but still here they are playing it.

I really think this game can and will become better but we the community are one very important aspect for that to happen so let's be positive and put the hate aside...it's not good for you.

Ruinhorn

Splat_86 wrote: »

Greetings.
I wish to thank you all for the feedback...even the one that is less optimistic about this game.

I see that many people don't agree or don't like the crown store...personally i don't mind it, very few MMORPG's these days don't have a store of some sort where people can or not (matter of choice) spend real money or even game money/gems/crowns to obtain cosmetic items, mounts etc...
I will probably use the store for sure because the cosmetic items, housing and mounts etc interest me.

World of Warcraft is played by millions of players with a monthly subscription model and it also has a store with items and mounts, that doesn't make it better or worse than any other MMORPG and i think the same applies to ESO.

What i don't like at all is the store model that exists within the so called free to play MMORPG called SWTOR, in there if you willing to spend money you can have an advantage in comparison to other players, and if you do it lifts of certain limitations.

What i like in games like ESO is that it's not Pay to Win, you can spend money, real money but only if you chose to. Bethesda/Zenimax stopped the monthly sub model, maybe it was because it was driving people away or just to be different from others but i love that they did so so they have to implement other system that brings them profit...it's a normal thing, same a any company out there on the video game industry or not.

I feels funny to see in this and any other game out there people expressing hate towards it or a dislike of huge proportions or that the game is going down to the ground but still here they are playing it.

I really think this game can and will become better but we the community are one very important aspect for that to happen so let's be positive and put the hate aside...it's not good for you.

So, tell me please, are you living in a world of pink ponies and rainbows? When you get fired on your job, you feel happy and everything will be nice? When you have no money even to buy good and high-quality foof, you smile and get positive, yea? When you, as citizen of your faity-tale country pay for all politicians' mistakes, you just put hate aside and thanks god for the sun above?

People, especially like me, playing not 1-2 months and wondering why everyone is complaining, these people saw the whole game history, since Beta until nowadays. And we absolutely full rights to complain, hate and be not pisitive when after 3 years of being loyal players which spent a lot of time and money for this game, we get... This? When my the main and only one character is stamblade and now he is even underground? Because roleplayers and casual players are crying about they can't do vMA or vet content? They don't need this part of content. If yiu want do it, then work hard, as everyone. "Elite" players been the same casual players, same low level people, poking mobs with auto attack. Snd if you work for result, then people with pleasure would help you. Like we always help new persons which were invited to our vet trials' runs.

Because of such people as you, which are not able to say "no", which don't want to admit real situation, turn on brains and open eyes, which think that everything is funny/happy/awesome and etc., because of it developers do such things. By "things" I mean having no solid plan and ruining game. Argue with me or not, I know and sure what I'm talking about. Until developers get their money from Crown Store, from Morrowing pre-orders, until they will see that there're people fully supporting them and writing only positive posts like "ZOS, we love you, ZOS, thank you, ZOS, I love patch notes" and ignorng promlems, hidding from them, until this our game we love and want to play gonna be worse and worse.

And Crown Store is a cancer here. For last year they did 2 things:
1. A lot of CS updates (hello, crates which is cancer of cancer), Housing and money making things.
2. Several small borng DLC, 1T (with huge nerfing) and now Morrowing (with Extra huge nerfing except mSorcs).

So, why Crown Store if developing, improving (except bringing random to real money, crates = casino), and game itself is getting worse? Housing is a drop in an ocean, and solves nothing of problems we have.

Splat_86

Ruinhorn wrote: »

Splat_86 wrote: »

Greetings.
I wish to thank you all for the feedback...even the one that is less optimistic about this game.

I see that many people don't agree or don't like the crown store...personally i don't mind it, very few MMORPG's these days don't have a store of some sort where people can or not (matter of choice) spend real money or even game money/gems/crowns to obtain cosmetic items, mounts etc...
I will probably use the store for sure because the cosmetic items, housing and mounts etc interest me.

World of Warcraft is played by millions of players with a monthly subscription model and it also has a store with items and mounts, that doesn't make it better or worse than any other MMORPG and i think the same applies to ESO.

What i don't like at all is the store model that exists within the so called free to play MMORPG called SWTOR, in there if you willing to spend money you can have an advantage in comparison to other players, and if you do it lifts of certain limitations.

What i like in games like ESO is that it's not Pay to Win, you can spend money, real money but only if you chose to. Bethesda/Zenimax stopped the monthly sub model, maybe it was because it was driving people away or just to be different from others but i love that they did so so they have to implement other system that brings them profit...it's a normal thing, same a any company out there on the video game industry or not.

I feels funny to see in this and any other game out there people expressing hate towards it or a dislike of huge proportions or that the game is going down to the ground but still here they are playing it.

I really think this game can and will become better but we the community are one very important aspect for that to happen so let's be positive and put the hate aside...it's not good for you.

So, tell me please, are you living in a world of pink ponies and rainbows? When you get fired on your job, you feel happy and everything will be nice? When you have no money even to buy good and high-quality foof, you smile and get positive, yea? When you, as citizen of your faity-tale country pay for all politicians' mistakes, you just put hate aside and thanks god for the sun above?

People, especially like me, playing not 1-2 months and wondering why everyone is complaining, these people saw the whole game history, since Beta until nowadays. And we absolutely full rights to complain, hate and be not pisitive when after 3 years of being loyal players which spent a lot of time and money for this game, we get... This? When my the main and only one character is stamblade and now he is even underground? Because roleplayers and casual players are crying about they can't do vMA or vet content? They don't need this part of content. If yiu want do it, then work hard, as everyone. "Elite" players been the same casual players, same low level people, poking mobs with auto attack. Snd if you work for result, then people with pleasure would help you. Like we always help new persons which were invited to our vet trials' runs.

Because of such people as you, which are not able to say "no", which don't want to admit real situation, turn on brains and open eyes, which think that everything is funny/happy/awesome and etc., because of it developers do such things. By "things" I mean having no solid plan and ruining game. Argue with me or not, I know and sure what I'm talking about. Until developers get their money from Crown Store, from Morrowing pre-orders, until they will see that there're people fully supporting them and writing only positive posts like "ZOS, we love you, ZOS, thank you, ZOS, I love patch notes" and ignorng promlems, hidding from them, until this our game we love and want to play gonna be worse and worse.

And Crown Store is a cancer here. For last year they did 2 things:
1. A lot of CS updates (hello, crates which is cancer of cancer), Housing and money making things.
2. Several small borng DLC, 1T (with huge nerfing) and now Morrowing (with Extra huge nerfing except mSorcs).

So, why Crown Store if developing, improving (except bringing random to real money, crates = casino), and game itself is getting worse? Housing is a drop in an ocean, and solves nothing of problems we have.

I am not to counter argument with you...seems as you say in your post that you know and are sure about what your talking so i respect your opinion.

Just don't judge other person character, by saying "Because of such people as you, which are not able to say "no", which don't want to admit real situation, turn on brains and open eyes, which think that everything is funny/happy/awesome..." it give the impression that you know my personality or who or how i am, don't do that you don't know me so that you can have the right to judge me.

I know perfectly that out there in the world nothing is pink and rainbows, nothing is given.
I fight everyday to push forward and to be always motivated about something.
The world is not all roses and pink but myself i chose to make it so that everyday for me can be the best possible.

Enjoy life my friend it is too short to keep biching and moaning about your opinion that you think it's right about devs of this game keep screwing the game over and over...again it is your opinion and yes maybe just maybe a few out there like it the way it is.

Vipstaakki

Run. Run and do not look back. You are about to enter a toxic wasteland.

Huyen

Just some good advice: get out of the forums while you can! Its worse then being the plaything of Molag Bal for sure.

Splat_86

Nah i can't me off the forums.

It should be used to report issues and to express what we feel and think about the game and give suggestions etc.

Some people like to be negative it's in their nature, to each their own i guess.

As long as i can i will be active here.
If it wasn't for the post on the forum i wouldn't have found already some awesome helpful people.

Ruinhorn

Splat_86 wrote: »

Ruinhorn wrote: »

Splat_86 wrote: »

Greetings.
I wish to thank you all for the feedback...even the one that is less optimistic about this game.

I see that many people don't agree or don't like the crown store...personally i don't mind it, very few MMORPG's these days don't have a store of some sort where people can or not (matter of choice) spend real money or even game money/gems/crowns to obtain cosmetic items, mounts etc...
I will probably use the store for sure because the cosmetic items, housing and mounts etc interest me.

World of Warcraft is played by millions of players with a monthly subscription model and it also has a store with items and mounts, that doesn't make it better or worse than any other MMORPG and i think the same applies to ESO.

What i don't like at all is the store model that exists within the so called free to play MMORPG called SWTOR, in there if you willing to spend money you can have an advantage in comparison to other players, and if you do it lifts of certain limitations.

What i like in games like ESO is that it's not Pay to Win, you can spend money, real money but only if you chose to. Bethesda/Zenimax stopped the monthly sub model, maybe it was because it was driving people away or just to be different from others but i love that they did so so they have to implement other system that brings them profit...it's a normal thing, same a any company out there on the video game industry or not.

I feels funny to see in this and any other game out there people expressing hate towards it or a dislike of huge proportions or that the game is going down to the ground but still here they are playing it.

I really think this game can and will become better but we the community are one very important aspect for that to happen so let's be positive and put the hate aside...it's not good for you.

So, tell me please, are you living in a world of pink ponies and rainbows? When you get fired on your job, you feel happy and everything will be nice? When you have no money even to buy good and high-quality foof, you smile and get positive, yea? When you, as citizen of your faity-tale country pay for all politicians' mistakes, you just put hate aside and thanks god for the sun above?

People, especially like me, playing not 1-2 months and wondering why everyone is complaining, these people saw the whole game history, since Beta until nowadays. And we absolutely full rights to complain, hate and be not pisitive when after 3 years of being loyal players which spent a lot of time and money for this game, we get... This? When my the main and only one character is stamblade and now he is even underground? Because roleplayers and casual players are crying about they can't do vMA or vet content? They don't need this part of content. If yiu want do it, then work hard, as everyone. "Elite" players been the same casual players, same low level people, poking mobs with auto attack. Snd if you work for result, then people with pleasure would help you. Like we always help new persons which were invited to our vet trials' runs.

Because of such people as you, which are not able to say "no", which don't want to admit real situation, turn on brains and open eyes, which think that everything is funny/happy/awesome and etc., because of it developers do such things. By "things" I mean having no solid plan and ruining game. Argue with me or not, I know and sure what I'm talking about. Until developers get their money from Crown Store, from Morrowing pre-orders, until they will see that there're people fully supporting them and writing only positive posts like "ZOS, we love you, ZOS, thank you, ZOS, I love patch notes" and ignorng promlems, hidding from them, until this our game we love and want to play gonna be worse and worse.

And Crown Store is a cancer here. For last year they did 2 things:
1. A lot of CS updates (hello, crates which is cancer of cancer), Housing and money making things.
2. Several small borng DLC, 1T (with huge nerfing) and now Morrowing (with Extra huge nerfing except mSorcs).

So, why Crown Store if developing, improving (except bringing random to real money, crates = casino), and game itself is getting worse? Housing is a drop in an ocean, and solves nothing of problems we have.

I am not to counter argument with you...seems as you say in your post that you know and are sure about what your talking so i respect your opinion.

Just don't judge other person character, by saying "Because of such people as you, which are not able to say "no", which don't want to admit real situation, turn on brains and open eyes, which think that everything is funny/happy/awesome..." it give the impression that you know my personality or who or how i am, don't do that you don't know me so that you can have the right to judge me.

I know perfectly that out there in the world nothing is pink and rainbows, nothing is given.
I fight everyday to push forward and to be always motivated about something.
The world is not all roses and pink but myself i chose to make it so that everyday for me can be the best possible.

Enjoy life my friend it is too short to keep biching and moaning about your opinion that you think it's right about devs of this game keep screwing the game over and over...again it is your opinion and yes maybe just maybe a few out there like it the way it is.

My words can sound rude, but I prefer to tell what I think with arguments, even if it's not funny to hear. People prefrr to hide behind jokes instead of facing real problems and truth.

If there is a poblem, I'm not gonna sit and wait or make visibility of that everything is fine. You know, being exremely polite is a good thing, but without solid position you'll never be heard. That's why I react so much about those who is talking here "stop complaining", "don't listen to these agruing idiots" or "this game is perfect in all ways". Because these people simple don't know what are they talking about.

For first months, or even a year I had the same feeling. Open world, so many possibilities, a lot of ways to improve and grow, new cintent to open... Yes, everything is true. Until you complete it and make a step into end-game content. Because you can't make quests forever - one day you'll complete most part of them.

So, I just did as you described: enjoy my life. ESO took some nerves, money and a lot of time for me.
Nowadays it gives no pleasure. And the only think I can do with my stamblsde is doing some daylies. Playing vet trials knowing you're already buried is impossible.

ESO, the game is became after 3 years doesn't worth it now. I'd gladly continue to play it, since TES lore is my favourite one. Like I fell in love in this game 3 years ago.

Ozstryker

Aeladiir wrote: »

Ever since early 2015 to early 2016, it seemed the game is going to be heading into the right direction and become more Elder Scrolls like. But after this game started focusing on pure grinding, it just kind of died to me. It seemed the developers decided to take "just another average MMO" route, instead of "another Elder Scrolls game" route.

Writing is horrid, dialogue could be written by a 12 years old, story is rushed through, cliched and filled with embarassing comic relief. Sadly, this sentence makes up for a huge portion of the game. I had really hoped they would improve their writing in DLCs, but main stories in Orsinium, Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Gulid prove that all they do is apply a generic story, then provide a random twist to it. Nothing has changed, nothing will change. I refuse to even visit ESO's Morrowind under these circumstances.

All other zones are pretty much the same, with reskinned environments, but ultimately the same objectives. Gameplay stands out a bit, but is plagued by animation cancelling, horrid balance and a depressing gameplay philosophy from Mr W. At the end of the day, this game is nothing but grind. It's just that here, in ESO, you're - arguably - not grinding mobs, but low-quality quests that you will only remember if you do them three times over (and, of course, the quests are, at the same time, just a bunch of fetch quests and kill quests). It's just not interesting if you're looking for something more than average.

MMO genre, at the moment, is a mess. I'm sad that Zenimax has the resources to do something about it, but they don't try to do anything. Even in 2014, they could've become literal kings of the genre, but they started making a 2008 MMO in 2008, and released it in 2014.

It's funny how Bethesda is trying so hard to appeal to wider masses nowadays, but ultimately fails. ESO is generic as hell and it seemes the devs have accepted its fate and decided they would not go for the Elder Scrolls feel (because, hey, the lore is enough, right? r-r-r-right?), Elder Scrolls Legends is a fail that only a few thousand people are playing, Fallout 4 was way behind for its time. It is ridiculous how out of all the games published by Bethesda, Fallout Shelter stands out the most when it comes to comparison with its competition. And it's garbage.

The thing that stands out the most is the justice system, but even the latter is unfinished, grindy and quickly becomes old.

Just a reminder that there will never be no:
- spellcrafting
- jewelrycrafting
- crafting that actually matters
- diving
- sailing
- justice system pt. 2
- enjoyable housing
- enjoyable barber shop
- enjoyable and rewarding gear acquisition
- a stable pvp in cyrodiil
- pressure-free balance changes where you are not afraid of devs ruining your gaming life for the next 3 months
- a traditional arena-based pvp (4v4v4, lol)
- activities (as in horse racing)
- events with any kind of depth whatsoever (birthday, halloween, christmas and april fools were all shallow and boring)
- fix to animation cancelling, because it's a "feature"
- actual fun when playing with friends (ever since 2014, there have been ZERO memorable moments, that we would look and laugh upon in the future)

Enjoy the game for what it is... be aware though, the forums are subject to twadle like this!

Balamoor

colig wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Best advice currently, ignore anyone that is anti-next patch. They may have valid complaints for sure, but currently they are nothing but a toxin in the communities veins.

"Please ignore people that disagree with me. They're toxic."

No what he's saying is there are people who have been making post after post about some idiot Youtube hero and his melt down.


Anyway @Splat_86 welcome to ESO. The in game community is much less toxic than the forum community, my advice is to find a friendly guild stay away from pick up groups and play the game the way you want to, not the way some basement dweller mandates. Hope you have fun, oh also the most helpful forum on these boards is the Players Helping Players forum, there you can find the answers to most of your questions and if you can't just make a new post.

Aeladiir

Ozstryker wrote: »

Aeladiir wrote: »

Ever since early 2015 to early 2016, it seemed the game is going to be heading into the right direction and become more Elder Scrolls like. But after this game started focusing on pure grinding, it just kind of died to me. It seemed the developers decided to take "just another average MMO" route, instead of "another Elder Scrolls game" route.

Writing is horrid, dialogue could be written by a 12 years old, story is rushed through, cliched and filled with embarassing comic relief. Sadly, this sentence makes up for a huge portion of the game. I had really hoped they would improve their writing in DLCs, but main stories in Orsinium, Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Gulid prove that all they do is apply a generic story, then provide a random twist to it. Nothing has changed, nothing will change. I refuse to even visit ESO's Morrowind under these circumstances.

All other zones are pretty much the same, with reskinned environments, but ultimately the same objectives. Gameplay stands out a bit, but is plagued by animation cancelling, horrid balance and a depressing gameplay philosophy from Mr W. At the end of the day, this game is nothing but grind. It's just that here, in ESO, you're - arguably - not grinding mobs, but low-quality quests that you will only remember if you do them three times over (and, of course, the quests are, at the same time, just a bunch of fetch quests and kill quests). It's just not interesting if you're looking for something more than average.

MMO genre, at the moment, is a mess. I'm sad that Zenimax has the resources to do something about it, but they don't try to do anything. Even in 2014, they could've become literal kings of the genre, but they started making a 2008 MMO in 2008, and released it in 2014.

It's funny how Bethesda is trying so hard to appeal to wider masses nowadays, but ultimately fails. ESO is generic as hell and it seemes the devs have accepted its fate and decided they would not go for the Elder Scrolls feel (because, hey, the lore is enough, right? r-r-r-right?), Elder Scrolls Legends is a fail that only a few thousand people are playing, Fallout 4 was way behind for its time. It is ridiculous how out of all the games published by Bethesda, Fallout Shelter stands out the most when it comes to comparison with its competition. And it's garbage.

The thing that stands out the most is the justice system, but even the latter is unfinished, grindy and quickly becomes old.

Just a reminder that there will never be no:
- spellcrafting
- jewelrycrafting
- crafting that actually matters
- diving
- sailing
- justice system pt. 2
- enjoyable housing
- enjoyable barber shop
- enjoyable and rewarding gear acquisition
- a stable pvp in cyrodiil
- pressure-free balance changes where you are not afraid of devs ruining your gaming life for the next 3 months
- a traditional arena-based pvp (4v4v4, lol)
- activities (as in horse racing)
- events with any kind of depth whatsoever (birthday, halloween, christmas and april fools were all shallow and boring)
- fix to animation cancelling, because it's a "feature"
- actual fun when playing with friends (ever since 2014, there have been ZERO memorable moments, that we would look and laugh upon in the future)

Enjoy the game for what it is... be aware though, the forums are subject to twadle like this!

@Ozstryker Yet all you can give me is a one liner that is useful to literally noone except your ego.

Ozstryker

Aeladiir wrote: »

Ozstryker wrote: »

Aeladiir wrote: »

Ever since early 2015 to early 2016, it seemed the game is going to be heading into the right direction and become more Elder Scrolls like. But after this game started focusing on pure grinding, it just kind of died to me. It seemed the developers decided to take "just another average MMO" route, instead of "another Elder Scrolls game" route.

Writing is horrid, dialogue could be written by a 12 years old, story is rushed through, cliched and filled with embarassing comic relief. Sadly, this sentence makes up for a huge portion of the game. I had really hoped they would improve their writing in DLCs, but main stories in Orsinium, Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Gulid prove that all they do is apply a generic story, then provide a random twist to it. Nothing has changed, nothing will change. I refuse to even visit ESO's Morrowind under these circumstances.

All other zones are pretty much the same, with reskinned environments, but ultimately the same objectives. Gameplay stands out a bit, but is plagued by animation cancelling, horrid balance and a depressing gameplay philosophy from Mr W. At the end of the day, this game is nothing but grind. It's just that here, in ESO, you're - arguably - not grinding mobs, but low-quality quests that you will only remember if you do them three times over (and, of course, the quests are, at the same time, just a bunch of fetch quests and kill quests). It's just not interesting if you're looking for something more than average.

MMO genre, at the moment, is a mess. I'm sad that Zenimax has the resources to do something about it, but they don't try to do anything. Even in 2014, they could've become literal kings of the genre, but they started making a 2008 MMO in 2008, and released it in 2014.

It's funny how Bethesda is trying so hard to appeal to wider masses nowadays, but ultimately fails. ESO is generic as hell and it seemes the devs have accepted its fate and decided they would not go for the Elder Scrolls feel (because, hey, the lore is enough, right? r-r-r-right?), Elder Scrolls Legends is a fail that only a few thousand people are playing, Fallout 4 was way behind for its time. It is ridiculous how out of all the games published by Bethesda, Fallout Shelter stands out the most when it comes to comparison with its competition. And it's garbage.

The thing that stands out the most is the justice system, but even the latter is unfinished, grindy and quickly becomes old.

Just a reminder that there will never be no:
- spellcrafting
- jewelrycrafting
- crafting that actually matters
- diving
- sailing
- justice system pt. 2
- enjoyable housing
- enjoyable barber shop
- enjoyable and rewarding gear acquisition
- a stable pvp in cyrodiil
- pressure-free balance changes where you are not afraid of devs ruining your gaming life for the next 3 months
- a traditional arena-based pvp (4v4v4, lol)
- activities (as in horse racing)
- events with any kind of depth whatsoever (birthday, halloween, christmas and april fools were all shallow and boring)
- fix to animation cancelling, because it's a "feature"
- actual fun when playing with friends (ever since 2014, there have been ZERO memorable moments, that we would look and laugh upon in the future)

Enjoy the game for what it is... be aware though, the forums are subject to twadle like this!

@Ozstryker Yet all you can give me is a one liner that is useful to literally noone except your ego.

Your wall of nonsense didn't deserve even a one line response.. simplistic, ill-informed baseless and self serving opinion!
Haters gunna hate!

@Splat_86 the game has its issues no doubt, but the progress of the Dev team has been positive, forum posters generally have strong opinions either way, just don't be dissuaded by negativity... In-game is well populated, functional and better received than the forums suggest, much like WoW really.. imo that's probably the only similarity between the two.... enjoy

Splat_86

Ruinhorn wrote: »

Splat_86 wrote: »

Ruinhorn wrote: »

Splat_86 wrote: »

Greetings.
I wish to thank you all for the feedback...even the one that is less optimistic about this game.

I see that many people don't agree or don't like the crown store...personally i don't mind it, very few MMORPG's these days don't have a store of some sort where people can or not (matter of choice) spend real money or even game money/gems/crowns to obtain cosmetic items, mounts etc...
I will probably use the store for sure because the cosmetic items, housing and mounts etc interest me.

World of Warcraft is played by millions of players with a monthly subscription model and it also has a store with items and mounts, that doesn't make it better or worse than any other MMORPG and i think the same applies to ESO.

What i don't like at all is the store model that exists within the so called free to play MMORPG called SWTOR, in there if you willing to spend money you can have an advantage in comparison to other players, and if you do it lifts of certain limitations.

What i like in games like ESO is that it's not Pay to Win, you can spend money, real money but only if you chose to. Bethesda/Zenimax stopped the monthly sub model, maybe it was because it was driving people away or just to be different from others but i love that they did so so they have to implement other system that brings them profit...it's a normal thing, same a any company out there on the video game industry or not.

I feels funny to see in this and any other game out there people expressing hate towards it or a dislike of huge proportions or that the game is going down to the ground but still here they are playing it.

I really think this game can and will become better but we the community are one very important aspect for that to happen so let's be positive and put the hate aside...it's not good for you.

So, tell me please, are you living in a world of pink ponies and rainbows? When you get fired on your job, you feel happy and everything will be nice? When you have no money even to buy good and high-quality foof, you smile and get positive, yea? When you, as citizen of your faity-tale country pay for all politicians' mistakes, you just put hate aside and thanks god for the sun above?

People, especially like me, playing not 1-2 months and wondering why everyone is complaining, these people saw the whole game history, since Beta until nowadays. And we absolutely full rights to complain, hate and be not pisitive when after 3 years of being loyal players which spent a lot of time and money for this game, we get... This? When my the main and only one character is stamblade and now he is even underground? Because roleplayers and casual players are crying about they can't do vMA or vet content? They don't need this part of content. If yiu want do it, then work hard, as everyone. "Elite" players been the same casual players, same low level people, poking mobs with auto attack. Snd if you work for result, then people with pleasure would help you. Like we always help new persons which were invited to our vet trials' runs.

Because of such people as you, which are not able to say "no", which don't want to admit real situation, turn on brains and open eyes, which think that everything is funny/happy/awesome and etc., because of it developers do such things. By "things" I mean having no solid plan and ruining game. Argue with me or not, I know and sure what I'm talking about. Until developers get their money from Crown Store, from Morrowing pre-orders, until they will see that there're people fully supporting them and writing only positive posts like "ZOS, we love you, ZOS, thank you, ZOS, I love patch notes" and ignorng promlems, hidding from them, until this our game we love and want to play gonna be worse and worse.

And Crown Store is a cancer here. For last year they did 2 things:
1. A lot of CS updates (hello, crates which is cancer of cancer), Housing and money making things.
2. Several small borng DLC, 1T (with huge nerfing) and now Morrowing (with Extra huge nerfing except mSorcs).

So, why Crown Store if developing, improving (except bringing random to real money, crates = casino), and game itself is getting worse? Housing is a drop in an ocean, and solves nothing of problems we have.

I am not to counter argument with you...seems as you say in your post that you know and are sure about what your talking so i respect your opinion.

Just don't judge other person character, by saying "Because of such people as you, which are not able to say "no", which don't want to admit real situation, turn on brains and open eyes, which think that everything is funny/happy/awesome..." it give the impression that you know my personality or who or how i am, don't do that you don't know me so that you can have the right to judge me.

I know perfectly that out there in the world nothing is pink and rainbows, nothing is given.
I fight everyday to push forward and to be always motivated about something.
The world is not all roses and pink but myself i chose to make it so that everyday for me can be the best possible.

Enjoy life my friend it is too short to keep biching and moaning about your opinion that you think it's right about devs of this game keep screwing the game over and over...again it is your opinion and yes maybe just maybe a few out there like it the way it is.

My words can sound rude, but I prefer to tell what I think with arguments, even if it's not funny to hear. People prefrr to hide behind jokes instead of facing real problems and truth.

If there is a poblem, I'm not gonna sit and wait or make visibility of that everything is fine. You know, being exremely polite is a good thing, but without solid position you'll never be heard. That's why I react so much about those who is talking here "stop complaining", "don't listen to these agruing idiots" or "this game is perfect in all ways". Because these people simple don't know what are they talking about.

For first months, or even a year I had the same feeling. Open world, so many possibilities, a lot of ways to improve and grow, new cintent to open... Yes, everything is true. Until you complete it and make a step into end-game content. Because you can't make quests forever - one day you'll complete most part of them.

So, I just did as you described: enjoy my life. ESO took some nerves, money and a lot of time for me.
Nowadays it gives no pleasure. And the only think I can do with my stamblsde is doing some daylies. Playing vet trials knowing you're already buried is impossible.

ESO, the game is became after 3 years doesn't worth it now. I'd gladly continue to play it, since TES lore is my favourite one. Like I fell in love in this game 3 years ago.

My friend i commend you for speaking your mind, i don't think you were rude at all, at least you come forward and you do speak your mind.

Thing is i never played Elder Scrolls Online, i played World of Warcraft for quite some time, Guild Wars 2 was a very brief one because i didn't identify with it, SWTOR had everything to be a great MMORPG but i refuse to pay money in a said free game to have better gear, vehicles etc...that for me was the ruin of that game, Final Fantasy 14 i never touched it and when i look into gameplay videos i don't think is that special as a game...as for MMORPG's that is pretty much it.

I don't know other MMORPG that would be worth to give it a go and that has none of the flaws or issues of any of the existing MMORPG genre, if there is i would love to know...do you or anyone suggest other MMORPG"s that would be worth to give them a go?

ESO as any other game MMORPG or not is not perfect it will never be, the community will always agree on some things and disagree on others.

I don't think Bethesda and Zenimax, because of what the Elder Scrolls saga means, will not let this game fall into ruin, also some people say that the community is dying (?) if so i don't believe that a new expansion would be in the making , even so if some people quit or quitted the game already i bet many will come back to try the upcoming content and maybe stay here...let's hope so.

I had some feedback that the devs or mods are active here on forums and do exchange feedback, i did notice that on many threads they reply alot i can tell you that on the WoW forums this attitude has changed alot for the worse.

Even knowing the game has it's problems and imperfections i still prefer that that would be the case because it will keep this community alive and full with people like you and many others here like to speak their mind, and it will "force" devs to see what is happening around here, if the dev team communicates with players that is hugely important.

Knowing the timeline of the most important MMORPG's out there ESO is a recent one, and the 1st experience from Bethesda into the online stream.
I love the Elder Scrolls universe and i am thankful that we have a online game that is trying to construct a roda to show us that universe..

Also as you could see many say that forums are toxic places not only here even on WoW i had that feedback but i am one that like to post threads, ask my questions or even with my noobiness try to help those who need or just to exchange feedback with the community.

The world as we said before is not a rainbow but i guess i am a positive person.

I don't know every single MMO out there but from all that i know ESO seems to be the most worthwhile but as i said if you recommend other MMO's let me know i will take a look.