Why/How Are Templars Using Spears, Exactly?

Khivas_Carrick

Bored, forgive me for this, but I am soooo bored lol

Anyway am I the only one that has wondered why Templars seem to revolve around spears when absolutely none seem to exist in the game as an equipable weapon by PCs?

Or how a Templar can be holding a large two-handed weapon like an ax or mace or giant sword, or any weapon and a shield, yet suddenly are using a spear to stab things in the face? It makes sense for javelins and Spear Shards, those are technically just spell projectiles, but Biting Jabs/Sweeps and the Ultimate are kinda weird to see lol

Always bothered me since beta that's how it was done. You'd think Biting Jabs would be redone by now into a more sensible attack like a winding swing or something that makes sense.

Then again ZoS hasn't exactly been one for making sense, have they? lol

Khivas_Carrick

I mean I can't be the only one thinking this lol

EvilCroc

I do not like this "spear" theme too. Bad design decision as it is.

Khivas_Carrick

Right?! Like, Holy Warriors use a number of things but it's the whole light and fire thing that does the damage, not magically summoned spears lol

Really wish they thought that one through before tossing it in.

I love the Templar and how it plays, but boy oh boy do I hate spears XD

AcadianPaladin

My dual staff magplar loves the spears because it looks like her staves morph into similar appearing aedric spears of light. I would prefer that the melee ability with the spears be more of a whirlwind/sweeping rather than jabby effect - but I suppose that supports its function as a forward cone strike zone vs a circular AoE.

ziggy29

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

My dual staff magplar loves the spears because it looks like her staves morph into similar appearing aedric spears of light. I would prefer that the melee ability with the spears be more of a whirlwind/sweeping rather than jabby effect - but I suppose that supports its function as a forward cone strike zone vs a circular AoE.

I think a staff can have some cool effects with spear-like animations, but with a two-handed sword or an axe or a mace it just looks silly, IMO!

Khivas_Carrick

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

My dual staff magplar loves the spears because it looks like her staves morph into similar appearing aedric spears of light. I would prefer that the melee ability with the spears be more of a whirlwind/sweeping rather than jabby effect - but I suppose that supports its function as a forward cone strike zone vs a circular AoE.

Which is cool for casters, kinda totally *** on the rest of us though lol

Cêltic421

I guess it comes from the same place where a chair, drum, lute etc. Be in a trial no chairs in sight yet you can pull one out and sit in it.

casparian

It's a Stendarr thing. The mixture of magic and combat discipline that we know as the Templar class seems to have been developed by the Stendarr cult, and Stendarr is often represented in that cult as smiting his enemies with a spear. Of course, people who don't worship Stendarr can still use this martial style, but since its original teachers -- the ones who first figured out how to combine magical and martial techniques in this particular way -- formed its visual appearances around the imagery they took from their religious representations, it's probably easiest for everyone who learns the class not to reinvent the wheel and find their own way of binding such powerful magics into usable form. Of course, that's the way a more objective observer would put it. The faithful would presumably saythat the Templar class is employing Stendarr's divine gift, and of course Stendarr provides his gift in the form of a spear, and who are you to question the grace of a Divine etc. etc.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Magic...

dodgehopper_ESO

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Bored, forgive me for this, but I am soooo bored lol

Anyway am I the only one that has wondered why Templars seem to revolve around spears when absolutely none seem to exist in the game as an equipable weapon by PCs?

Or how a Templar can be holding a large two-handed weapon like an ax or mace or giant sword, or any weapon and a shield, yet suddenly are using a spear to stab things in the face? It makes sense for javelins and Spear Shards, those are technically just spell projectiles, but Biting Jabs/Sweeps and the Ultimate are kinda weird to see lol

Always bothered me since beta that's how it was done. You'd think Biting Jabs would be redone by now into a more sensible attack like a winding swing or something that makes sense.

Then again ZoS hasn't exactly been one for making sense, have they? lol

I like the spear theme, but I just wish that we could actually equip a Longspear or a Spear+shield. It seems quite thematic for a lot of reasons, particularly the ties of the Imperial Legion to Stendarr, and the Stendarr themes baked into the class. As an aside, I really miss Blinding Flashes.

ArchMikem

They're not actual spears, they're conjured magical weapons of Stendarr's light.

Khivas_Carrick

ArchMikem wrote: »

They're not actual spears, they're conjured magical weapons of Stendarr's light.

Which is cool and I get that, but where the *** does your sword or mace or ax go when you summon Sweeps/Jabs?

What do you do, drop it, stab with magical spear, then pick it back up? lol

Khivas_Carrick

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Bored, forgive me for this, but I am soooo bored lol

Anyway am I the only one that has wondered why Templars seem to revolve around spears when absolutely none seem to exist in the game as an equipable weapon by PCs?

Or how a Templar can be holding a large two-handed weapon like an ax or mace or giant sword, or any weapon and a shield, yet suddenly are using a spear to stab things in the face? It makes sense for javelins and Spear Shards, those are technically just spell projectiles, but Biting Jabs/Sweeps and the Ultimate are kinda weird to see lol

Always bothered me since beta that's how it was done. You'd think Biting Jabs would be redone by now into a more sensible attack like a winding swing or something that makes sense.

Then again ZoS hasn't exactly been one for making sense, have they? lol

I like the spear theme, but I just wish that we could actually equip a Longspear or a Spear+shield. It seems quite thematic for a lot of reasons, particularly the ties of the Imperial Legion to Stendarr, and the Stendarr themes baked into the class. As an aside, I really miss Blinding Flashes.

Enlighten me on when Stendarr was tied so heavily to a spear? Last I checked he didn't exactly have a specific weapon tied to him.

Khivas_Carrick

casparian wrote: »

It's a Stendarr thing. The mixture of magic and combat discipline that we know as the Templar class seems to have been developed by the Stendarr cult, and Stendarr is often represented in that cult as smiting his enemies with a spear. Of course, people who don't worship Stendarr can still use this martial style, but since its original teachers -- the ones who first figured out how to combine magical and martial techniques in this particular way -- formed its visual appearances around the imagery they took from their religious representations, it's probably easiest for everyone who learns the class not to reinvent the wheel and find their own way of binding such powerful magics into usable form. Of course, that's the way a more objective observer would put it. The faithful would presumably saythat the Templar class is employing Stendarr's divine gift, and of course Stendarr provides his gift in the form of a spear, and who are you to question the grace of a Divine etc. etc.

TOTALLY missed this, but even then, where the hell did that Stendarr Cult come from and how does a freaking non-spear weapon turn into a spear? XD

Runschei

So you just want logic?

Khivas_Carrick

Runschei wrote: »

So you just want logic?

Basically yea, which is ironic because I made a very illogical topic out of sheer boredom.

AcadianPaladin

My magplar thinks of her spears as double-ended light sabres. That's lore-friendly right? Hee! I'm joking about the lore bit. But not about thinking of them as light sabres.

I do agree that going from staff to spear 'works' visually thinking along the lines of magic morphing. . . however, I also agree that it doesn't seem so cool when you go from a battleaxe to an aedric spear. Otoh, for those who run 2h/bow, where do you nromally stick your back bar weapon when not in use. Um. . . actually I don't want to think about that too much.

danno8

While casting various spear themed attacks, Templars also magically cast cloak on their weapons. Unlike NB's Templars are too weak to cloak their entire bodies, so this is the best use of cloak they could come up with.

If you don't like that explanation, it's the best one you're going to get, and is as logical as any other given the context.

Khivas_Carrick

Better than most so far lol

I still think it's dumb to default to a spear when there are 8 divines to worship and fight for lol