Children

Necrelios

Children? Ah yes... I think I remember those. Odd, smelly little creatures.

randolphbenoit

Kids in player homes I can see. Other than that they need stay in school!

Draqone

Tyrion87 wrote: »

I wonder why there are cradles in the game if there are no children in Tamriel...

Are they maybe intended for pets, not kids?

They are not for NPCs, they are for the immature 20 year olds playing this game who behave like they are 3 yo.

Banana

Im not going there

theher0not

No more NPCs we can't attack please.

Balamoor

Multiple threads asking about kids is more than a bit disturbing.

komodozermike

No kids. Cuz they'll get teabagged.

seaef

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wayy too many CHILDREN playing ESO already. That's enough for me lol

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.

Unfortunately, some of those children are in their 30s and 40s.

Ghettokid

Adding children would be cool, yes.
But those traits you suggested? Nah, If they ever add children I would like to kill them.

KeiruNicrom

Children do not exist in ESO for one reason. Clavicus Vile made a deal with some mother or something to "protect the children". How more protected can you be than non-existent? Or in a personal realm of Oblivion of his and a Nirn wide memory removal spell

But seriously I like this idea of making any children that may get added one day cowards and using childish insults/calling for their parents when they spot a crime

QUEZ420

All caps got nerfed to lower case huh lol, get rekt.

KochDerDamonen

ArchMikem wrote: »

Smepic wrote: »

Saw a thread on the topic of "children in ESO", and it made me want to write a thread in regard to the implementation of children with moral concern in mind. I adored children in Skyrim – they had memorable personalities and lines, often snarky, and they added a lot of immersion.



The concern?

That players can kill and/or harm children. A taboo subject, and one that I believe is silly – as I see no difference between killing a child and an adult. However, I will put my opinion aside for the suggestion.

The difference? Children haven't lived their lives and are still innocent to the cruelty of the world. Adults have lived much of their lives and have made the conscious decision to place their own life at risk. (Unless you just decide to murder someone making a grocery run, then you're just plain evil).

Point is, all life is precious at the start, Children deserve every chance at survival because they only get one life and that one life JUST started for them.

@ArchMikem You're talking about pixels. That child is going to grow up to... continue to play the same annoying voice line for the rest of its digital existence.

People murder absolutely innocent random civilians, pickpocket beggars and loot the lockboxes of simple merchants, livestock and pets. None of that is just, and yet it's a daily... err, more like second-ly occurrence in good ol' tamriel online.

Final point: the youngest child available for viewing in-game is a member of the dark brotherhood

Ajaxduo

No thanks, we already have plenty of kids in game

ADarklore

I'll just say NO!! If you think LAG is bad now, let's add a lot more NPCs and see how it goes.

ArchMikem

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Smepic wrote: »

Saw a thread on the topic of "children in ESO", and it made me want to write a thread in regard to the implementation of children with moral concern in mind. I adored children in Skyrim – they had memorable personalities and lines, often snarky, and they added a lot of immersion.



The concern?

That players can kill and/or harm children. A taboo subject, and one that I believe is silly – as I see no difference between killing a child and an adult. However, I will put my opinion aside for the suggestion.

The difference? Children haven't lived their lives and are still innocent to the cruelty of the world. Adults have lived much of their lives and have made the conscious decision to place their own life at risk. (Unless you just decide to murder someone making a grocery run, then you're just plain evil).

Point is, all life is precious at the start, Children deserve every chance at survival because they only get one life and that one life JUST started for them.

@ArchMikem You're talking about pixels. That child is going to grow up to... continue to play the same annoying voice line for the rest of its digital existence.

People murder absolutely innocent random civilians, pickpocket beggars and loot the lockboxes of simple merchants, livestock and pets. None of that is just, and yet it's a daily... err, more like second-ly occurrence in good ol' tamriel online.

Final point: the youngest child available for viewing in-game is a member of the dark brotherhood

Doesn't matter that it's "just pixels", it's a moral issue, the action, regardless of where or what it is, speaks about your character as a person. What something is may not be real, but what it represents is real. It may be presented as fake and annoying, but it still represents a child. Does that still justify the action of remorseless slaughter just so you can loot a white item worth 40 gold? For my entire time since the Dark Brotherhood, and even the Justice System has been out I've restricted my "Innocents Killing" to mainly the Pirates in Anvil Castle, as I see that as proper justification for their assumed transgressions against the people. Frankly I had a hard time coming to terms with the fact I had to straight up murder a random passerby just to start the Questline.

I'm not telling people what to do. I'm just defending a point.

Wrekkedd

But who actually likes having children around..?

KochDerDamonen

ArchMikem wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Smepic wrote: »

Saw a thread on the topic of "children in ESO", and it made me want to write a thread in regard to the implementation of children with moral concern in mind. I adored children in Skyrim – they had memorable personalities and lines, often snarky, and they added a lot of immersion.



The concern?

That players can kill and/or harm children. A taboo subject, and one that I believe is silly – as I see no difference between killing a child and an adult. However, I will put my opinion aside for the suggestion.

The difference? Children haven't lived their lives and are still innocent to the cruelty of the world. Adults have lived much of their lives and have made the conscious decision to place their own life at risk. (Unless you just decide to murder someone making a grocery run, then you're just plain evil).

Point is, all life is precious at the start, Children deserve every chance at survival because they only get one life and that one life JUST started for them.

@ArchMikem You're talking about pixels. That child is going to grow up to... continue to play the same annoying voice line for the rest of its digital existence.

People murder absolutely innocent random civilians, pickpocket beggars and loot the lockboxes of simple merchants, livestock and pets. None of that is just, and yet it's a daily... err, more like second-ly occurrence in good ol' tamriel online.

Final point: the youngest child available for viewing in-game is a member of the dark brotherhood

Doesn't matter that it's "just pixels", it's a moral issue, the action, regardless of where or what it is, speaks about your character as a person. What something is may not be real, but what it represents is real. It may be presented as fake and annoying, but it still represents a child. Does that still justify the action of remorseless slaughter just so you can loot a white item worth 40 gold? For my entire time since the Dark Brotherhood, and even the Justice System has been out I've restricted my "Innocents Killing" to mainly the Pirates in Anvil Castle, as I see that as proper justification for their assumed transgressions against the people. Frankly I had a hard time coming to terms with the fact I had to straight up murder a random passerby just to start the Questline.

I'm not telling people what to do. I'm just defending a point.

I respect what you're getting at in terms of personal morals. I definitely read it as a reason to oppose the children being killable like most other NPCs, as that is how I would see it being relevant to the concept. 'course in that same vein of thought, I'd have to disagree that in-game morals are telling of out-of-game morals. I'm perfectly comfortable playing goodie-two-shoes-heals-and-defends-himself on my templar and your-skull-looks-nice-under-my-boot on my nightblade

max_only

We have:
Npcs sleeping in the streets
Dogs chasing cats
Animated noses on Rats!

Unnecessary lag discussion ended.

We have:
Cribs in homes
A child voice actor in Grahtwood
Children in quests replaced by adult models

No development from Zos discussion ended.

We have:
Unkillable, un-pickpocket-able adult npc all over the place, either because they give a quest or are a vendor.

Unkillable discussion ended.


The only discussion that i will validate is "I don't want child npcs because I have a personal preference against them"

I have a personal preference against Argonians but they still pop up with their monotone voices and creepily erect spines.

Add kid npcs for variety otherwise I'm going to imagine the reason why all the adult npcs are constantly drunk is because the government took their babies.

Betheny

I hate kids as much as the next person, but have to say it'd be cute to see a few Khajiit kids running around...they'd look like kittens.

The more human kids though, no thanks...horrible little creatures. And careful what you ask for - ZOS would probably have them mock us and throw mudballs at our face.

SondreGrande

Yes please. I hate those few quest where theres a "Child" NPC who looks like a full grown up calling some other NPC his dad/mother, when that other NPC does not look one year older. While were at it, add spouses and adoption NPCs for player-houses!

Jemcrystal

I don't want to kill kids I want to adopt and let them run around my house like they did in Skyrim. I've got the marketing for this in mind. After Vvardenfell is over and every is bored again. Next DLC/xpack/watevr call it the Skyrim edition. Add to the game all the things we Skyrim players miss:

* Animated in-house npcs - hubby/wife n kids. Assistants. Get the mounts/pets moving about a bit.
* Messy RED-blood soaked vampire castles with quests.
* Werewolf factions with quests.
* And Paarthurnax as a robust youthful dragon. He is alive in eso's time line. Some quest chain where we get to interact with him. Completion could give us wings (some outfit or somesuch was datamined that had wings).

Jimmy

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wayy too many CHILDREN playing ESO already. That's enough for me lol

/thread

Hallothiel

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't want to kill kids I want to adopt and let them run around my house like they did in Skyrim. I've got the marketing for this in mind. After Vvardenfell is over and every is bored again. Next DLC/xpack/watevr call it the Skyrim edition. Add to the game all the things we Skyrim players miss:

* Animated in-house npcs - hubby/wife n kids. Assistants. Get the mounts/pets moving about a bit.
* Messy RED-blood soaked vampire castles with quests.
* Werewolf factions with quests.
* And Paarthurnax as a robust youthful dragon. He is alive in eso's time line. Some quest chain where we get to interact with him. Completion could give us wings (some outfit or somesuch was datamined that had wings).

I rather they didn't do that. See, I have Skyrim and have spent many hours playing Skyrim - in fact if I wanted I could be playing Skyrim right now. And so could you.

So stop trying to turn ESO into Skyrim Online!

There is a whole world with many places yet to be visited - why go back to the same thing? (And yes, Morrowind has kinda disappointed me as would rather have gone somewhere new.)

Finally, to re-state my opinion, no children. Please, for the love of god, no children. Ever.

WalksonGraves

This isn't a debatable issue. Thanks to video games getting blamed for columbine the world is all about censorship to save the children. You won't get most of the world's governments to back down and until that day it won't be profitable or possible to release a game globally with questionable content.

It's already a minefield thanks to the US being cool with gore but sexually repressed, or Europe where nudity isn't an issue but violence can be.
Australia bans pretty much everything unless drugs are taken out.

Chrysa1is

Children as pets! That's it.

idk

max_only wrote: »

We have:
Npcs sleeping in the streets
Dogs chasing cats
Animated noses on Rats!

Unnecessary lag discussion ended.

We have:
Cribs in homes
A child voice actor in Grahtwood
Children in quests replaced by adult models

No development from Zos discussion ended.

We have:
Unkillable, un-pickpocket-able adult npc all over the place, either because they give a quest or are a vendor.

Unkillable discussion ended.


The only discussion that i will validate is "I don't want child npcs because I have a personal preference against them"

I have a personal preference against Argonians but they still pop up with their monotone voices and creepily erect spines.

Add kid npcs for variety otherwise I'm going to imagine the reason why all the adult npcs are constantly drunk is because the government took their babies.

@max_only

First, your claim that the lag discussion has ended by your comments is rather mute. Anything added would increase server load and lag.

The real reason why Zos isn't going to add children is no one has provided solid justification for spending the time and money to create, voice and place children.

Alchemical

I mean, there are already argonian children in Shadowfen. Whole questline about them.

Sure they haven't hatched yet, but they're still technically there.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Kharnamatic wrote: »

You should be able to have children with your Pledge of mara partner

But most players marry each other for the XP boost even if one is a Male Breton and the other is a Male Argonian

TX12001rwb17_ESO

If people want them why not make them non-combat pets? personally I don't care for children.

Gargath

We already witness npcs which cannot be interacted with, like the bards, not possible to kill etc, why not making children with their own personalities, that would populate larger cities and villages, making them looking more interesting. Any world with adults only is neither normal not immersive enough. How the heck adults in eso grew up? By Some Silly Magic?