Chim

bloodthirstyvampire

A discussion on chim http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/CHIM

Nelson_Rebel

I would use it to then Get rid of the entire notion of chim because it's a silly 5 year old addition to the lore

bloodthirstyvampire

I for one would be like get over here to the tribunal and alliance leaders scorpion style with fiery grip

CaiWenji

ViciousVamps1 wrote: »

If you could unlock chim in eso what would you do what choice would you make what would you change maybe you would alter lore or become the emperor lore wise literally anything http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/CHIM

Woah never heard of this! I bought Oblivion in February but haven't played past the part of killing the grave digger in town.


Reminds me of the console command tcl in skyrim.



Sorry never mind didn't read it all the way! Ahah! Thought it said break free from laws of nature.

CaiWenji

CaiWenji wrote: »

ViciousVamps1 wrote: »

If you could unlock chim in eso what would you do what choice would you make what would you change maybe you would alter lore or become the emperor lore wise literally anything http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/CHIM

Woah never heard of this! I bought Oblivion in February but haven't played past the part of killing the grave digger in town.


Reminds me of the console command tcl in skyrim.



Sorry never mind didn't read it all the way! Ahah! Thought it said break free from laws of nature.

Actually it is a little like that reading the first 2 paragraphs.

Dragonking06

God damn it, that sent me on a Wiki-page binge spree and now I understand how Nirn and the Aurbis was created.

TrinityBreaker

Dragonking06 wrote: »

God damn it, that sent me on a Wiki-page binge spree and now I understand how Nirn and the Aurbis was created.

Same here bro.

BlackWormDisciple

In a heartbeat - remove all character creation limitations that NPCs lack, add a Necromancer class as well as spellmaking, and prevent Tiber Septim from coming into existence.

Just kidding about that last part. :P But seriously, there should be a Necromancer class after the Warden at some point, spellmaking is something a lot of us would like to see, and the character creation limits are asinine - plenty of dark-haired High Elves and pale/fair skinned Imperials are walking around yet players can't make one themselves? Although, if Zenimax at least added more hair and skin colors or swapped the skin-tone options for Wood Elves and Imperials I'd be satisfied and it'd make more sense for both races (fair to swarthy Imperials, Bosmer as a whole are typically light brown to pale tan - never really pasty looking, so why not swap their skin-tones and fix the mistake?).

But I digress. :P

TX12001rwb17_ESO

That stuff isn't canon so If I had it I wouldn't beable to do anything more then I could do now.

waterfairy

Ban proc sets...they're like cheap little slices of chim that don't belong on nirn.

mesmerizedish

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

That stuff isn't canon.

There's literally an Elder Scroll of Chim in ESO, buddy.

bloodthirstyvampire

mesmerizedish wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

That stuff isn't canon.

There's literally an Elder Scroll of Chim in ESO, buddy.

Vivek literally achieved chim

CaiWenji

mesmerizedish wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

That stuff isn't canon.

There's literally an Elder Scroll of Chim in ESO, buddy.

It all makes sense now.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

That stuff isn't canon.

Perma. Ban. Her.

/sideeye

TX12001rwb17_ESO

mesmerizedish wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

That stuff isn't canon.

There's literally an Elder Scroll of Chim in ESO, buddy.

Do you mean the Elder Scroll which is named after the Old Ehlnofey word for Royalty?

TX12001rwb17_ESO

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

That stuff isn't canon.

Perma. Ban. Her.

/sideeye

Who is this her you speak of?

TX12001rwb17_ESO

ViciousVamps1 wrote: »

mesmerizedish wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

That stuff isn't canon.

There's literally an Elder Scroll of Chim in ESO, buddy.

Vivek literally achieved chim

So where is the proof? How can he achieve that which doesn't exist? CHIM is just MK's badly written fan-fiction, where was this CHIM when I killed Vivec Morrowind? where was his CHIM when he is apparently sick and losing his power? I can tell you where it was, it was in his....



Tiber Septim didn't have it either, he was just a weak Dragonborn Emperor who only became Emperor because of a Robot called the Numidium which was powered by the Mantella. and here is the proof...There is no Jungle in Cyrodiil in ESO which takes place before he was born so he never changed the past and if he did then records of it ever being a jungle wouldn't exist as nobody would of seen a jungle and as a Dragonborn he likely shared the same mindset for dominance that all Dragons do and because of that it is unlikely that he would of accepted death by something as pitiful as old age so why didnt he prevent it? I can tell you why..it was because he couldnt because he didnt have this CHIM, also where is the ingame proof that it is anything more then an Elhlonfey word for Royalty?

Runs

One simple small thing. I would make it so all of Nirn knew one of my characters as someone who is named after the red diamond. Chim-el Adabal, it would be as if it always was her name and no one would remember anything different.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

It'll never happen as long as ESO is an MMO. Remember, per Vivec:The ruling king that sees in another his equivalent rules nothing. And ruling king == player character.

AlienatedGoat

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

I would use it to then Get rid of the entire notion of chim because it's a silly 5 year old addition to the lore

Wasn't CHIM introduced in TES IV? In 2006?

So technically it's a silly 11 year old addition to the lore. :P

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Phage wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

I would use it to then Get rid of the entire notion of chim because it's a silly 5 year old addition to the lore

Wasn't CHIM introduced in TES IV? In 2006?

So technically it's a silly 11 year old addition to the lore. :P

And the whole concept was to explain why Cyrodiil wasn't a Jungle in Oblivion, fast forward 8 years to when ESO came out and it was Retconned, The only CHIM that was used was the Chim El Abadal, the land would warp to the benefit of the wearer of the Amulet of Kings so now there is absolutely ZERO proof that this form of CHIM is even a thing.

BlackWormDisciple

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

ViciousVamps1 wrote: »

mesmerizedish wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

That stuff isn't canon.

There's literally an Elder Scroll of Chim in ESO, buddy.

Vivek literally achieved chim

So where is the proof? How can he achieve that which doesn't exist? CHIM is just MK's badly written fan-fiction, where was this CHIM when I killed Vivec Morrowind? where was his CHIM when he is apparently sick and losing his power? I can tell you where it was, it was in his....



Tiber Septim didn't have it either, he was just a weak Dragonborn Emperor who only became Emperor because of a Robot called the Numidium which was powered by the Mantella. and here is the proof...There is no Jungle in Cyrodiil in ESO which takes place before he was born so he never changed the past and if he did then records of it ever being a jungle wouldn't exist as nobody would of seen a jungle and as a Dragonborn he likely shared the same mindset for dominance that all Dragons do and because of that it is unlikely that he would of accepted death by something as pitiful as old age so why didnt he prevent it? I can tell you why..it was because he couldnt because he didnt have this CHIM, also where is the ingame proof that it is anything more then an Elhlonfey word for Royalty?

I might as well offer my two cents on this matter - just because I'm curious about your stance on CHIM and why you seem to doubt its canon-status.

As mentioned, there -is- an Elder Scroll of Chim.

As for you killing Vivec... not everyone makes the same choice in a game - Vivec's fate after the events of Morrowind are uncertain in terms of the lore. Some say he was killed, others say he was taken by Daedra, and some even argue that he defied the gods and achieved CHIM and just... vanished during a trial - which he claims to have learned the existence of by Molag Bal himself and, in his 36 Sermons, says the first to understand this concept was Lorkhan himself. They can imply he died, but no one truly knows Vivec's fate. As for getting sick and losing power, if Peryite happens to be the culprit then you have your answer. Peryite is the Daedric Prince of Pestilence and the NATURAL Order, and the Tribunal claiming the power of a dead god is far from natural if you ask me... though who can truly know the reasons of most of the Princes.

As for the whole Cyrodiil can of worms, CHIM - aka seeing the dream for what it really, accepting that you are part of the universal dream of the Godhead but also affirming to the universe that you exist should you avoid zero-summing yourself - is supposed to be higher up on the scale than divinity. Meaning such thing as retroactive alterations to the world can happen if one achieved CHIM. Books and knowledge can remain untouched but then citizens who don't know of these unseen changes in the past, present, and future just chalk it up to "It seems there was a translation error - our home was never a jungle. What nonsense!" Hell, even Heimskr - that preachy fool in Skyrim - makes reference to Talos/Tiber changing Cyrodiil to a jungle for his people with a quote during part of his rambling/preaching "I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you." If this is the case, then he could have retroactively changed the land of Cyrodiil from a jungle to what we see in Oblivion and ESO for his people's sake.

And hey, fun fact, the Dragonborn DLC in Skyrim has a Black Book - one of Hermaeus Mora's own as part of his infamous library of forbidden knowledge - discussed CHIM and the concept of mantling the Godhead. Of course, like all Black Books it cuts off very quickly so you don't learn anything except tentacles phasing into your head and body as you go mentally wandering Apocrypha... but here's a quote of what is known from Waking Dreams. "Waking Dreams of A Starless Sky
by Bilius Felcrex
A fragmented tome mentioning the mantling of a godhead
The eyes, once bleached by falling stars of utmost revelation, will forever see the faint insight drawn by the overwhelming question, as only the True Enquiry shapes the edge of thought. The rest is vulgar fiction, attempts to impose order on the consensus mantlings of an uncaring godhead. First,"

So there we go... my two cents on this matter. Hope I provided some insight, or at least helped contribute to this debate/discussion/whatever you prefer to call it. Cheers, friend!

EDIT: Almost forgot! CHIM was mentioned in Morrowind, which came out in 2002. So this little tidbit is almost 15 years old has been mentioning in various sources throughout the series.

inked1

I am at a complete loss to what everyone in here is talking about or what it even has to do with. So I'm just going to assume that whatever this is about, it is OP and needs to be nerfed by Zos in the next patch.

AlienatedGoat

inked1 wrote: »

I am at a complete loss to what everyone in here is talking about or what it even has to do with. So I'm just going to assume that whatever this is about, it is OP and needs to be nerfed by Zos in the next patch.

I dunno what to tell you.

Learn2lore?

BlackWormDisciple

inked1 wrote: »

I am at a complete loss to what everyone in here is talking about or what it even has to do with. So I'm just going to assume that whatever this is about, it is OP and needs to be nerfed by Zos in the next patch.

What turned into a hypothetical question turned into a lore debate. Sorry. :X

TX12001rwb17_ESO

BlackWormDisciple wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

ViciousVamps1 wrote: »

mesmerizedish wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

That stuff isn't canon.

There's literally an Elder Scroll of Chim in ESO, buddy.

Vivek literally achieved chim

So where is the proof? How can he achieve that which doesn't exist? CHIM is just MK's badly written fan-fiction, where was this CHIM when I killed Vivec Morrowind? where was his CHIM when he is apparently sick and losing his power? I can tell you where it was, it was in his....



Tiber Septim didn't have it either, he was just a weak Dragonborn Emperor who only became Emperor because of a Robot called the Numidium which was powered by the Mantella. and here is the proof...There is no Jungle in Cyrodiil in ESO which takes place before he was born so he never changed the past and if he did then records of it ever being a jungle wouldn't exist as nobody would of seen a jungle and as a Dragonborn he likely shared the same mindset for dominance that all Dragons do and because of that it is unlikely that he would of accepted death by something as pitiful as old age so why didnt he prevent it? I can tell you why..it was because he couldnt because he didnt have this CHIM, also where is the ingame proof that it is anything more then an Elhlonfey word for Royalty?

I might as well offer my two cents on this matter - just because I'm curious about your stance on CHIM and why you seem to doubt its canon-status.

As mentioned, there -is- an Elder Scroll of Chim.

As for you killing Vivec... not everyone makes the same choice in a game - Vivec's fate after the events of Morrowind are uncertain in terms of the lore. Some say he was killed, others say he was taken by Daedra, and some even argue that he defied the gods and achieved CHIM and just... vanished during a trial - which he claims to have learned the existence of by Molag Bal himself and, in his 36 Sermons, says the first to understand this concept was Lorkhan himself. They can imply he died, but no one truly knows Vivec's fate. As for getting sick and losing power, if Peryite happens to be the culprit then you have your answer. Peryite is the Daedric Prince of Pestilence and the NATURAL Order, and the Tribunal claiming the power of a dead god is far from natural if you ask me... though who can truly know the reasons of most of the Princes.

As for the whole Cyrodiil can of worms, CHIM - aka seeing the dream for what it really, accepting that you are part of the universal dream of the Godhead but also affirming to the universe that you exist should you avoid zero-summing yourself - is supposed to be higher up on the scale than divinity. Meaning such thing as retroactive alterations to the world can happen if one achieved CHIM. Books and knowledge can remain untouched but then citizens who don't know of these unseen changes in the past, present, and future just chalk it up to "It seems there was a translation error - our home was never a jungle. What nonsense!" Hell, even Heimskr - that preachy fool in Skyrim - makes reference to Talos/Tiber changing Cyrodiil to a jungle for his people with a quote during part of his rambling/preaching "I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you." If this is the case, then he could have retroactively changed the land of Cyrodiil from a jungle to what we see in Oblivion and ESO for his people's sake.

And hey, fun fact, the Dragonborn DLC in Skyrim has a Black Book - one of Hermaeus Mora's own as part of his infamous library of forbidden knowledge - discussed CHIM and the concept of mantling the Godhead. Of course, like all Black Books it cuts off very quickly so you don't learn anything except tentacles phasing into your head and body as you go mentally wandering Apocrypha... but here's a quote of what is known from Waking Dreams. "Waking Dreams of A Starless Sky
by Bilius Felcrex
A fragmented tome mentioning the mantling of a godhead
The eyes, once bleached by falling stars of utmost revelation, will forever see the faint insight drawn by the overwhelming question, as only the True Enquiry shapes the edge of thought. The rest is vulgar fiction, attempts to impose order on the consensus mantlings of an uncaring godhead. First,"

So there we go... my two cents on this matter. Hope I provided some insight, or at least helped contribute to this debate/discussion/whatever you prefer to call it. Cheers, friend!

EDIT: Almost forgot! CHIM was mentioned in Morrowind, which came out in 2002. So this little tidbit is almost 15 years old has been mentioning in various sources throughout the series.

The whole concept of CHIM came out in 2006 to explain why Cyrodiil was apprantley not a Jungle so I doubt it but then the idea was retconned in ESO.

"A fragmented tome mentioning the mantling of a godhead"

Do you mean the one known as ANU? As for CHIM I would sooner abandoned the series altogether then accept it, whats the point of anything if the world is a dream? that was not among the reasons I got into ES and if I knew about this concept sooner I would of not even bothered with the series at all, however what brings me peace of mind is the lack of proof that CHIM is even real and the fact I have a LOT of evidence to suggest that it isn't, Vivec can be killed in Morrowind, he is suffering from a disease and losing his power in ESO, That doesn't sound like an Omnipotent God to me...He is also known to be a liar and even lied about the whole Akaviri Invasion where he "Apparently" tought people to breath when in Truth he just drowned everyone even his allies and it is proven in dialogue in ESO, if he had this CHIM though couldn't he of just changed the past and made the lie true? if he had CHIM why didn't he use it to make himself a True God not reliant on the Heart of Lorkhan?

Now I will probably get stuck in an infinite loop here so bare with me for a moment, If Tiber Septim had CHIM and if he used it to change Cyrodiil and the past into the landscape it appears to be in ESO and Oblivion then why are there records out there claiming he changed it from a jungle at all? if he changed the past then no one should remember it, therefor there should be no records mentioning it but there apparently are so therefor he couldn't of changed the past because as I said if he changed the past he would of changed what people remembered and seeing as how Cyrodiil in ESO is not a Jungle and it predates Tiber Septims birth then that so called feat which was his only evidence of CHIM could never of happened.

As for the Elder Scroll, the word CHIM itself is actually Ehlnofeix for the word "Royalty" its literally translated as Elder Scroll of Royalty.

BlackWormDisciple

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

BlackWormDisciple wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

ViciousVamps1 wrote: »

mesmerizedish wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

That stuff isn't canon.

There's literally an Elder Scroll of Chim in ESO, buddy.

Vivek literally achieved chim

So where is the proof? How can he achieve that which doesn't exist? CHIM is just MK's badly written fan-fiction, where was this CHIM when I killed Vivec Morrowind? where was his CHIM when he is apparently sick and losing his power? I can tell you where it was, it was in his....



Tiber Septim didn't have it either, he was just a weak Dragonborn Emperor who only became Emperor because of a Robot called the Numidium which was powered by the Mantella. and here is the proof...There is no Jungle in Cyrodiil in ESO which takes place before he was born so he never changed the past and if he did then records of it ever being a jungle wouldn't exist as nobody would of seen a jungle and as a Dragonborn he likely shared the same mindset for dominance that all Dragons do and because of that it is unlikely that he would of accepted death by something as pitiful as old age so why didnt he prevent it? I can tell you why..it was because he couldnt because he didnt have this CHIM, also where is the ingame proof that it is anything more then an Elhlonfey word for Royalty?

I might as well offer my two cents on this matter - just because I'm curious about your stance on CHIM and why you seem to doubt its canon-status.

As mentioned, there -is- an Elder Scroll of Chim.

As for you killing Vivec... not everyone makes the same choice in a game - Vivec's fate after the events of Morrowind are uncertain in terms of the lore. Some say he was killed, others say he was taken by Daedra, and some even argue that he defied the gods and achieved CHIM and just... vanished during a trial - which he claims to have learned the existence of by Molag Bal himself and, in his 36 Sermons, says the first to understand this concept was Lorkhan himself. They can imply he died, but no one truly knows Vivec's fate. As for getting sick and losing power, if Peryite happens to be the culprit then you have your answer. Peryite is the Daedric Prince of Pestilence and the NATURAL Order, and the Tribunal claiming the power of a dead god is far from natural if you ask me... though who can truly know the reasons of most of the Princes.

As for the whole Cyrodiil can of worms, CHIM - aka seeing the dream for what it really, accepting that you are part of the universal dream of the Godhead but also affirming to the universe that you exist should you avoid zero-summing yourself - is supposed to be higher up on the scale than divinity. Meaning such thing as retroactive alterations to the world can happen if one achieved CHIM. Books and knowledge can remain untouched but then citizens who don't know of these unseen changes in the past, present, and future just chalk it up to "It seems there was a translation error - our home was never a jungle. What nonsense!" Hell, even Heimskr - that preachy fool in Skyrim - makes reference to Talos/Tiber changing Cyrodiil to a jungle for his people with a quote during part of his rambling/preaching "I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you." If this is the case, then he could have retroactively changed the land of Cyrodiil from a jungle to what we see in Oblivion and ESO for his people's sake.

And hey, fun fact, the Dragonborn DLC in Skyrim has a Black Book - one of Hermaeus Mora's own as part of his infamous library of forbidden knowledge - discussed CHIM and the concept of mantling the Godhead. Of course, like all Black Books it cuts off very quickly so you don't learn anything except tentacles phasing into your head and body as you go mentally wandering Apocrypha... but here's a quote of what is known from Waking Dreams. "Waking Dreams of A Starless Sky
by Bilius Felcrex
A fragmented tome mentioning the mantling of a godhead
The eyes, once bleached by falling stars of utmost revelation, will forever see the faint insight drawn by the overwhelming question, as only the True Enquiry shapes the edge of thought. The rest is vulgar fiction, attempts to impose order on the consensus mantlings of an uncaring godhead. First,"

So there we go... my two cents on this matter. Hope I provided some insight, or at least helped contribute to this debate/discussion/whatever you prefer to call it. Cheers, friend!

EDIT: Almost forgot! CHIM was mentioned in Morrowind, which came out in 2002. So this little tidbit is almost 15 years old has been mentioning in various sources throughout the series.

The whole concept of CHIM came out in 2006 to explain why Cyrodiil was apprantley not a Jungle so I doubt it but then the idea was retconned in ESO.

"A fragmented tome mentioning the mantling of a godhead"

Do you mean the one known as ANU? I don't acknowledge CHIM as I see absolutely no evidence that it is a thing, there is ZERO Proof Vivec has it and ZERO proof Tiber Septim has it, I do however see more evidence that it is not a thing, I would sooner abandoned the series altogether then accept it, that was not among the reasons I got into ES to begin with.

As for the Elder Scroll, the word CHIM itself is actually Ehlnofeix for the word "Royalty" its translated as Elder Scroll of Royalty.

I'm well aware of what CHIM translates to in the Ehlnofex language, but look, friend. Let's just end this...this has gone past what the OP was wanting to ask and I feel it's only right to end the lore discussion here (there are other places one can talk about stuff like this). You're free to believe what you want about the lore. That's the beauty of the lore itself. But if you want to learn about the reasoning behind the concept of CHIM, just go to the teslore subreddit. There are people who can do far more justice explaining it than I ever will. But I will say, the godhead isn't Anu when it comes to CHIM - it's something that goes past the whole Anu and Padomay aspect of the lore.

Still, the point is, believe what you want about the lore but don't let it sour your mood or feelings about the game - and don't try to ruin another person's views of the lore as well. I probably shouldn't have replied in the first place - but I did want to try and shed on some light in favor of it. Just be glad no one brought up the whole "Pelinal Whitestrake's a cyborg from the future" part of MK's lore (that's just insane). Have a good one though, friend.

bloodthirstyvampire

Uh this is getting good maybe I should fix it