Farming mats limited by level?

LilCaesar

Hi guys, started to play couple days ago, watching vieos on youtube for making gold and stuff and players getting dwarfen ore, cotton and cool stuff from ores and runestones.
Im at lvl 4, but see no cotton, no kuta from runestones and etc.
what do i do to be able to get them from nodes?

Nestor

Mats spawn according to either your character level or Material Passive Level, in a 50/50 split, roughly. Note, Crafting level is not the same as Material Passive, you can be maxed in Crafting at L8, have no points in the Material Passive and still only see Jute and Iron and Maple.

Want to see higher tier mats, invest in those material passives or level your character. However, it is better to level crafting now and invest the skill points later when you have more skill points to use. So, in the meantime, decon loot, research passives and use Mob drops for gear until you reach CP160. See this:



Here is the thing about Crafting, you don't need it until End Game (post CP160) but you can level it in preparation with few to no skill points invested. Crafting can eat up 122 Skill Points to fully invest, so this will gimp your combat while leveling. Best to invest as few points as possible while leveling your character and crafting.

Equipment Crafting

Decon all mob loot other than what you are using to research traits. Research traits, learn two on all items you would use, then learn 3, etc. Focus on Divines, Infused and Training for your first three for Armor, Sharpened, Precise and Training for your Weapons. Then go for the other ones. Nirn is expensive, and a lot of people suggest putting a priority on that, I can't see why. The Trait is all but useless for Armor or Weapons. Best place to find Mob Loot is Public Dungeons, then over land grind spots. Grind on mobs until your bags are full, then go on a decon fest. Remembering to save the ones you need or want to research. Use the Lock Function and or an Inventory Mule to hang on to those. Only invest Skill points while leveling it into the Research and Extraction Passive, the last really only needing one point.

Enchanting

Ignore all the "advice" on the web about using an enchanting partner. First, use Mob Loot decon to raise this up to a point. Later on as you approach end game have some some gold, then start making Green, Blue or Purple Glyphs on one character and decon them on an Alt. You will level Enchanting faster than trading the glyphs with another player, which is tedious by the way. (like pull out your hair and make a doily tedious). Use Green up to about L15 in the Enchanting Skill, Blue up to about L30/35 and Purple up to about L46/47. Then learn the runes you don't know, you should be at or near 50, if not, make/decon some more Purples.

Provisioning and Alchemy

Don't worry about these, you can level these professions in about an 20 minutes, for both. Just collect the Various Solvents and Reagents and Provisioning Ingredients/Recipes as you go along. Once end game, then you can level it. Use Mushrooms to level Alchemy, or Flowers that make potions you won't use. Make sure you grab solvents (waters) as your leveling as they can be rare to find in the guild stores. For Provisioning, make the highest level Green Recipes you can make. Blue or Purples do not give any more inspiration than Greens, so save those for character use.

The most important thing to remember is:

Yes, use Drop Sets for now, and Yes, level your crafting skills and do the Trait Research. Traits are why you craft as they allow you to make Special Crafted Sets. There are two sets in the game that your going to want to make, Julianos for your Magic Characters, and Hundings Rage for your Stamina Characters. There are no better sets in the game to have 5 pieces of. Period. Well, Twice Born Star is great to, but your a year out from making that. But you need to start learning your traits now.

Leveling Equipment Crafting is easy, just decon the mob loot you are not either selling to cover repairs or using to research traits. No skill points needed while leveling it, other than maybe a point or two into the Extraction Passives.

Back to the Crafted Sets, it takes 6 traits known to be able to make Hundings or Julianos, 9 Traits for Twice Born Star. You don't need to know these traits on everything, but you do need to know them on the items you will use. So, start learning those traits. Focus on the gear you will use first, then fill in the rest later. Using this method you can be a competent set crafter in a couple of months or less. This means:

Casters
Heavy Chest/Legs
Light Feet/Hands/Waist
Shoulders and Heads are good to, but there are 2 Piece Monster sets that can take up those slots. So learn the traits on these pieces, but prioritize the ones above.
Staves (all 4 of them)

Stamina
All Medium Armors
Daggers, Swords, Bow and Shield

Learn Training, Divines and Infused on the Armors first, Sharpened, Precise and Training on the Weapons. Powered is good for the Healing Staff, Defending is good for Sword or other one handed Melee. Then fill in the rest until you have 6 or eventually 9 traits. Some people recommend Nirn as an early trait to learn. Unless they change it, don't listen to them. You might use it on a Shield or a Weapon but that is about it. You need it someday, but it's expensive and you need your gold for other things.

Invest the skill points into the Research Passives. I can't stress enough how much of a time sink Trait Research is. Be able to learn more than one at a time, and reduce the time needed. Get an addon for Trait Research Tracking, I recommend Craft Store. If your on the Consoles, find one of the spreadsheets out there or make one to track this. Have I mentioned you need to learn your traits?

Doing this you will be ready to invest skill points into Crafting when it matters and not have to spend months getting ready. Did I mention Trait Research and how much a time sink it is? The last two traits will take you a month each to learn, on each item you learn them on. Get started now, yesterday would have been better.

CMFan1966

Bookmarking this because I now believe @Nestor to be the Ninth Divine rather than Talos.

LilCaesar

Nestor wrote: »

Mats spawn according to either your character level or Material Passive Level, in a 50/50 split, roughly. Note, Crafting level is not the same as Material Passive, you can be maxed in Crafting at L8, have no points in the Material Passive and still only see Jute and Iron and Maple.

Want to see higher tier mats, invest in those material passives or level your character. However, it is better to level crafting now and invest the skill points later when you have more skill points to use. So, in the meantime, decon loot, research passives and use Mob drops for gear until you reach CP160. See this:



Here is the thing about Crafting, you don't need it until End Game (post CP160) but you can level it in preparation with few to no skill points invested. Crafting can eat up 122 Skill Points to fully invest, so this will gimp your combat while leveling. Best to invest as few points as possible while leveling your character and crafting.

Equipment Crafting

Decon all mob loot other than what you are using to research traits. Research traits, learn two on all items you would use, then learn 3, etc. Focus on Divines, Infused and Training for your first three for Armor, Sharpened, Precise and Training for your Weapons. Then go for the other ones. Nirn is expensive, and a lot of people suggest putting a priority on that, I can't see why. The Trait is all but useless for Armor or Weapons. Best place to find Mob Loot is Public Dungeons, then over land grind spots. Grind on mobs until your bags are full, then go on a decon fest. Remembering to save the ones you need or want to research. Use the Lock Function and or an Inventory Mule to hang on to those. Only invest Skill points while leveling it into the Research and Extraction Passive, the last really only needing one point.

Enchanting

Ignore all the "advice" on the web about using an enchanting partner. First, use Mob Loot decon to raise this up to a point. Later on as you approach end game have some some gold, then start making Green, Blue or Purple Glyphs on one character and decon them on an Alt. You will level Enchanting faster than trading the glyphs with another player, which is tedious by the way. (like pull out your hair and make a doily tedious). Use Green up to about L15 in the Enchanting Skill, Blue up to about L30/35 and Purple up to about L46/47. Then learn the runes you don't know, you should be at or near 50, if not, make/decon some more Purples.

Provisioning and Alchemy

Don't worry about these, you can level these professions in about an 20 minutes, for both. Just collect the Various Solvents and Reagents and Provisioning Ingredients/Recipes as you go along. Once end game, then you can level it. Use Mushrooms to level Alchemy, or Flowers that make potions you won't use. Make sure you grab solvents (waters) as your leveling as they can be rare to find in the guild stores. For Provisioning, make the highest level Green Recipes you can make. Blue or Purples do not give any more inspiration than Greens, so save those for character use.

The most important thing to remember is:

Yes, use Drop Sets for now, and Yes, level your crafting skills and do the Trait Research. Traits are why you craft as they allow you to make Special Crafted Sets. There are two sets in the game that your going to want to make, Julianos for your Magic Characters, and Hundings Rage for your Stamina Characters. There are no better sets in the game to have 5 pieces of. Period. Well, Twice Born Star is great to, but your a year out from making that. But you need to start learning your traits now.

Leveling Equipment Crafting is easy, just decon the mob loot you are not either selling to cover repairs or using to research traits. No skill points needed while leveling it, other than maybe a point or two into the Extraction Passives.

Back to the Crafted Sets, it takes 6 traits known to be able to make Hundings or Julianos, 9 Traits for Twice Born Star. You don't need to know these traits on everything, but you do need to know them on the items you will use. So, start learning those traits. Focus on the gear you will use first, then fill in the rest later. Using this method you can be a competent set crafter in a couple of months or less. This means:

Casters
Heavy Chest/Legs
Light Feet/Hands/Waist
Shoulders and Heads are good to, but there are 2 Piece Monster sets that can take up those slots. So learn the traits on these pieces, but prioritize the ones above.
Staves (all 4 of them)

Stamina
All Medium Armors
Daggers, Swords, Bow and Shield

Learn Training, Divines and Infused on the Armors first, Sharpened, Precise and Training on the Weapons. Powered is good for the Healing Staff, Defending is good for Sword or other one handed Melee. Then fill in the rest until you have 6 or eventually 9 traits. Some people recommend Nirn as an early trait to learn. Unless they change it, don't listen to them. You might use it on a Shield or a Weapon but that is about it. You need it someday, but it's expensive and you need your gold for other things.

Invest the skill points into the Research Passives. I can't stress enough how much of a time sink Trait Research is. Be able to learn more than one at a time, and reduce the time needed. Get an addon for Trait Research Tracking, I recommend Craft Store. If your on the Consoles, find one of the spreadsheets out there or make one to track this. Have I mentioned you need to learn your traits?

Doing this you will be ready to invest skill points into Crafting when it matters and not have to spend months getting ready. Did I mention Trait Research and how much a time sink it is? The last two traits will take you a month each to learn, on each item you learn them on. Get started now, yesterday would have been better.

well thanks, thats helpfull and will require some time from me to read and understand, but thanx again and couple questions

1. how do i level material passives?where can i see them and progree? (sorry, im really new to the game)
2. eventually, do i have to make second char for craft only? or at end game i can have craft skills on main char? is it better to make alt char for crafting and gathering, grinding nodes?

Nestor

1. As you level your crafting you unlock the material passives to invest skill points into.
2. It is better ultimately to have one character be your primary crafter. Some people level a character until they have enough points to have them craft and survive farming, figure on 160 or so points for that. Some people spread it out, puttingGear Crafting on one character and Consumable crafting on another. Me I like having it all on one, although all 9 of my alts are fully leveled or almost fully leveled in crafting, only one has all the crafting skill points invested.

LilCaesar

Nestor wrote: »

1. As you level your crafting you unlock the material passives to invest skill points into.
2. It is better ultimately to have one character be your primary crafter. Some people level a character until they have enough points to have them craft and survive farming, figure on 160 or so points for that. Some people spread it out, puttingGear Crafting on one character and Consumable crafting on another. Me I like having it all on one, although all 9 of my alts are fully leveled or almost fully leveled in crafting, only one has all the crafting skill points invested.

just one more question man,
which char is better to use then to farm nodes
main(who probably will be specy in pvp,pve) or second (crafter)?

Nestor

The issue is, any character that is going to farm top level mats, is going to need have 50 skill points invested in Material Passives. This requires L40 or L50 (usually L50) in all crafts to be able to spend all those points. Otherwise, you see mats in a 50/50 mix of character or material passive. Which can be OK, but you will spend twice as long farming.

This is why all my alts are fully or near fully leveled in crafting so they can invest those points if I decide to make them a farmer.

So, short answer, your Crafter is going to be your main farmer. Until you get your alts up and running.

LilCaesar

Nestor wrote: »

The issue is, any character that is going to farm top level mats, is going to need have 50 skill points invested in Material Passives. This requires L40 or L50 (usually L50) in all crafts to be able to spend all those points. Otherwise, you see mats in a 50/50 mix of character or material passive. Which can be OK, but you will spend twice as long farming.

This is why all my alts are fully or near fully leveled in crafting so they can invest those points if I decide to make them a farmer.

So, short answer, your Crafter is going to be your main farmer. Until you get your alts up and running.

u helped me a lot man, thanx