A newbie perspective of Magicka Templar

vpy

So far I am at level 10 of my Nord Templar.
Almost all of the folks (here and in game) have been saying to level Magicka and which i did.
I followed the specs to the dot
(Puncturing Sweeps, Solar Barrage, Honor the Dead, 2 destro staff)
These were my abilities.
Let me tell you they sucked

I got the full Hundings Rage set even and still it was bad..i mean going oom so fast you would not what hit you.

Then I respecced (after a effing amount of gold) to full Stam with DW
I have the same abilities from above but instead of destro staff I got the Blood Thirst (Flurry morphed) + Twin Slash).
My god...it was amazing.
Not sure how many of you played Enhancement Shaman in WoW (back during WOTLK/BC).
I rarely go OOM and with the heals from PS, BT and I am almost at 70-80% of my health even with 2-3 mobs (without using HtD).
But as a noob I am sure that I am missing something here.
Can someone tell me that ?.
Is it because that I am still a lowbie ?

Jawasa

You used hundings on a magicka templar then that is probably what went wrong. It's a stamina set.

Idinuse

vpy wrote: »

So far I am at level 10 of my Nord Templar.
Almost all of the folks (here and in game) have been saying to level Magicka and which i did.
I followed the specs to the dot
(Puncturing Sweeps, Solar Barrage, Honor the Dead, 2 destro staff)
These were my abilities.
Let me tell you they sucked

I got the full Hundings Rage set even and still it was bad..i mean going oom so fast you would not what hit you.

Then I respecced (after a effing amount of gold) to full Stam with DW
I have the same abilities from above but instead of destro staff I got the Blood Thirst (Flurry morphed) + Twin Slash).
My god...it was amazing.
Not sure how many of you played Enhancement Shaman in WoW (back during WOTLK/BC).
I rarely go OOM and with the heals from PS, BT and I am almost at 70-80% of my health even with 2-3 mobs (without using HtD).
But as a noob I am sure that I am missing something here.
Can someone tell me that ?.
Is it because that I am still a lowbie ?

Well, going mag means putting everything into Magicka and not Stamina. Hunding's Rage is a great set for levelling stamina builds, while Seducer would have been better for your magicka sustain, perhaps combined with i.e.4 Magnu's Gift pieces.

But yes, stamina is most certainly beastly in regards to damage dealing.

Edit* Also, using 2 destro is not particularly necessary. The mag return on full Restro Heavy Attacks is no joke, and as a Templar, I'd suggest you go with a Lightning Staff on first bar, this will buff your Sweeps and other AoE by 8% dmg. If going Lightning Staff, use Elemental Blockade with it (morph of Wall of Elements, Destruction Staff skill). Don't forget the Destro Ultimate. (As I prefer ranged on bosses, I choose the Blockade morph rather than the Eye, since I can place it where I stand if doing AoEs on mobs, and over the Boss in boss fights). For PvP though Eye has been quite successful so far.

Try a rotation of Reflective Light (buffs your spell damage, hits 3 enemies hard that it slows by 40%, inflicts burning and a DoT), Elemental Blockade while moving forward (alternatively Explosive Charge a morph of Focused Charge), then Puncturing Sweeps.

An alternative is DW Swords on back bar (but only when you have leveled to DW rank 50 and can have 2/2 passives in TwinBlade and Blunt which give a total of 5% damage increase) where you can have single target skills like Dark Flare (morph of Solar Flare) and Radiant Destruction (or Oppression for the heals while leveling). For the single target back bar a Destro would be good too if you've managed your mag regen, it buffs single target skills by 8%.

Note that using a Destro staff should be complemented with weaving Light or Medium (not fully charged Heavy) Attacks. Heavy Lightning Attacks deals 134% damage to enemies near your target and ticks can proc the Enchantment you have on your weapon. Also note that the damage done by your skills scales with the higher your Max Magicka or Max Stamina is.

Apprentice Mundus stone increases Spell Damage (166, even more with 7 Light Armour), The Mage increases Max Mag (1,280, even more with 7 LA), while The Thief increases your crit% chance (even more with 7 LA), and you should look at crit chance and crit damage already. Using full Light Armor increases your Max Mag and crit chance significantly (as well as having a Mages Guild skill on bar depending on Passive).

Enslaved

vpy wrote: »

So far I am at level 10 of my Nord Templar.
Almost all of the folks (here and in game) have been saying to level Magicka and which i did.
I followed the specs to the dot
(Puncturing Sweeps, Solar Barrage, Honor the Dead, 2 destro staff)
These were my abilities.
Let me tell you they sucked

I got the full Hundings Rage set even and still it was bad..i mean going oom so fast you would not what hit you.

Then I respecced (after a effing amount of gold) to full Stam with DW
I have the same abilities from above but instead of destro staff I got the Blood Thirst (Flurry morphed) + Twin Slash).
My god...it was amazing.
Not sure how many of you played Enhancement Shaman in WoW (back during WOTLK/BC).
I rarely go OOM and with the heals from PS, BT and I am almost at 70-80% of my health even with 2-3 mobs (without using HtD).
But as a noob I am sure that I am missing something here.
Can someone tell me that ?.
Is it because that I am still a lowbie ?

Magicka is stranger than stamina atm. On the other hand, your race suggests you will be kinda tanky later on. Nords have some stamina passive, but are, in general, not a great pick for anything that is not oriented to tanking. I speak this as someone who has 2 Nords, both are DKs.
Later on you will see that templar is capable of going 1v50 mobs without too much difficulty. I dislike templars as a class a lot, but they sure can be whatever you like in ESO, from casual tanks, dds to good healers. Also, cancer in PvP. For now, just explore things and enjoy the game, once you cet enough champion points decide what you will do with that templar of yours.

Magdalina

You went a stamina set with magicka skills, no surprise it didn't work well, like been said above

In ESO, your stamina skills scale with your max stamina, weapon damage, weapon critical and physical penetration. Your magicka skills scale with your max magicka, spell damage, spell critical and spell penetration. None of Hunding's bonuses would do ANYTHING for magicka skills(not for damage nor sustain even) while all of them would be useful for stamina skills. If you were to try magicka again, you might want to check out sets like Seducer's, Julianos, Magnus maybe

Also do pay attention to actual armor type passives, though at level 10 you won't have many but you'll unlock them with time. Light armor buffs magicka users whereas medium works for stamina ones. Heavy armor makes you more tanky but doesn't do much for your dps nor sustain(in most situations anyway).

Draqone

Abilities that use magicka scale with your Spell Damage and Max_magicka/10.

Abilities that use stamina scale with Weapon damage and Max_stamina/10.

So, if you used magicka abilities with a set that gives weapon damage the results are exactly what you experienced.

Cherryblossom

Troll post, has to be. as a Templar you can win with just Puncturing Strike in PVE, doesn't matter what gear you wear.

danno8

vpy wrote: »

So far I am at level 10 of my Nord Templar.
Almost all of the folks (here and in game) have been saying to level Magicka and which i did.
I followed the specs to the dot
(Puncturing Sweeps, Solar Barrage, Honor the Dead, 2 destro staff)
These were my abilities.
Let me tell you they sucked

I got the full Hundings Rage set even and still it was bad..i mean going oom so fast you would not what hit you.

Then I respecced (after a effing amount of gold) to full Stam with DW
I have the same abilities from above but instead of destro staff I got the Blood Thirst (Flurry morphed) + Twin Slash).
My god...it was amazing.
Not sure how many of you played Enhancement Shaman in WoW (back during WOTLK/BC).
I rarely go OOM and with the heals from PS, BT and I am almost at 70-80% of my health even with 2-3 mobs (without using HtD).
But as a noob I am sure that I am missing something here.
Can someone tell me that ?.
Is it because that I am still a lowbie ?

Where to start......

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By "respeccing to full stamina" it sounds like you just flipped all attribute points from magicka into stamina. That is only one step in changing how strong your abilities are.

You will notice with your skills like Puncturing Sweep, some use magicka, and some use stamina. If the skill uses magicka, then it will scale in effectiveness off of total magicka, total spell power, spell critical (chance and damage), and spell penetration. While a skill that uses stamina will scale with max stamina, max weapon damage, weapon crit, and armour penetration. Ultimates scale off of your highest stats, magicka or stamina.

Sets, like Hundings Rage, you will notice have bonuses to the above listed statistics. So Hundings would have been nearly useless with your magicka set up.

Also, stop using Solar Barrage in all cases, it's just a bad skill overall.

I hope this gives you some insight in how to build your character much more efficiently that your above examples.

edit: Just to add, as you level up skills you will be offered a morph option. Some will offer a morph from a magicka based skill to a stamina based one (such as Biting Jabs instead of Puncturing Sweep). Choose the right one for your build!

idk

A review of a class at level 10 is not a review at all. Further, Hundings Rage is a Stam set which also explains some of the issue.

it seems the player is very new to the game and can use some more advise.

Gear to wear would only have magika, spell power/damage and magika regen. Food to use will only have magika and health (blue food). If only green or white food is available either health of majika, whatever works best for you.

That will go a long way.

Idinuse

Enslaved wrote: »

I dislike templars as a class a lot, but they sure can be whatever you like in ESO, from casual tanks, dds to good healers. Also, cancer in PvP.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Troll post, has to be. as a Templar you can win with just Puncturing Strike in PVE, doesn't matter what gear you wear.

AcadianPaladin

An extremely basic point that I was unsure on as a new player was the idea that stamina improves weapon damage. True - except for staves. Even though a staff is certainly a weapon, its damage is improved by magicka.

So a magicka-based templar generally runs all (or mostly) light armor for its magicka bonuses, puts all attributes into magicka and seeks gear that enhances magicka. We generally ignore stamina and 'season to taste' regarding health with one or two gear bonuses to have enough health to avoid one shot kills. We generally take a mundus stone that helps magicka and many will choose a race that includes magicka bonuses.

A stamina-based templar is a very different character in almost all regards but I completely lack any experience with them.

starkerealm

@Idinuse, you realize you just recommended a back bar setup for a level 10 character, right?

Idinuse

starkerealm wrote: »

@Idinuse, you realize you just recommended a back bar setup for a level 10 character, right?

Lol you're right. My bad. I guess the "2 destro staff" stuck on my mind.

PlagueSD

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Troll post, has to be. as a Templar you can win with just Puncturing Strike in PVE, doesn't matter what gear you wear.

Pretty much. I did the Molag Bal fight standing in his face with Puncturing Strikes. Only time I moved was to dodge his leaps.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Another problem...Nord.

hmsdragonfly

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Another problem...Nord.

Race is not that big of a problem.

Tabbycat

I leveled my Breton Templar with pieces from two sets:

5 piece Seducer (4 armor + weapon)

3 piece Magnus' Gift

Magicka Enchantments... infused gives you bonus to your enchantments. You can use a magicka drain enchantment on your weapon if you want.

I use all light armor but you could throw a piece of heavy and a piece of medium into the mix if you really wanted to.

Choose arcane jewelry pieces with magicka regen.

Try to keep yourself at 4 stars and you should be good to go.

Also helps to use a magicka + health food buff.

When questing you never die except to the lag boss.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Troll post, has to be. as a Templar you can win with just Puncturing Strike in PVE, doesn't matter what gear you wear.

If he's really new he had no CP and is using gear that grant no bonuses to his play style but in a game that's balanced for 160cp in every zone. So with no cp bonuses Puncturing Strikes would not be enough.

Drasn

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Troll post, has to be. as a Templar you can win with just Puncturing Strike in PVE, doesn't matter what gear you wear.

If he's really new he had no CP and is using gear that grant no bonuses to his play style but in a game that's balanced for 160cp in every zone. So with no cp bonuses Puncturing Strikes would not be enough.

Puncturing strikes is always enough.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Drasn wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Troll post, has to be. as a Templar you can win with just Puncturing Strike in PVE, doesn't matter what gear you wear.

If he's really new he had no CP and is using gear that grant no bonuses to his play style but in a game that's balanced for 160cp in every zone. So with no cp bonuses Puncturing Strikes would not be enough.

Puncturing strikes is always enough.

You don't use it right and have no sustain you die all the same. You're looking at it from your ingame experience new players will not have that, like using stamina gear on a mage.

Browiseth

An experienced view ofmagicka templar:

"its too easy mate"

KingYogi415

Your level 10.

You can roleplay while pressing 1 button and stuff will die. Does not even matter which button.

Cheers!