Stamina DPS in PVE fixed for morrowind?
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✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
Stamina is pretty good. I know of a few Stamboys that completed the trial. Stamblade, StamDK etc.
I currently play around with Stamsorc 2H and stamDK 2H build in vHoF.
So far the highest dps i have seen came from stamina setup.
So stam dk's are taking back the crown on single target damage? Can't be over-performing mag sorcs by very much I would assume considering stamina was a good 7-10k behind mag sorc single target a week and a half ago. I wonder how the aoe/cleave damage is compared to magicka considering the lightning heavy nerf. Can you elaborate more on what numbers you guys are seeing at the top level? Regarding not just single target, but also aoe/cleave. If a stam dk is pulling a couple k more single target but is still a good 20% less aoe/cleave damage, they still seem like a bad choice for trials.
Thats a false statement. Some of the really big parses from sorcs (talking about those 70k+ VMOL first boss parses) were in the 55k single target range (and that's like 3 people doing that). Stamina was perfectly capable of hitting 50k+ last patch. For what its worth, my testing shows sorc single target has dropped by about 3k on a dummy self buffed. It might be less as we adapt, and as you pointed out, their cleave took a pretty noticeable hit. mNBs are beating them in single as are stam sorc, Stamplar and stam DK based on parses I am seeing. All of them are hitting low 40's outside a raid environment, which translates to about 50 inside one.
Dont get me wrong, sorc is very powerful and rather forgiving these days, but I dont believe they have the best damage any longer.
I was actually talking about the ra kotu and manti parses. Worlds #1 HRC run last patch had a couple guys breaching 60k often, one player even hit 62 on a parse. The weaker players were still over 55+, while the stronger were either near or breaching 60k often. Manti is a bit different, considering there are much more mechanics, but still had lots of players hitting 57+. I am aware stamina was able to breach 50k single target last patch, but it was not by much and quite rare. Highest stam single target I saw was around 51-52. So using basic math, adding 7 to 50+ would be 57+ like my original statement. I hate to break it to you buddy, but you target skelly parses don't mean anything. If you would like to compare numbers, go with trial boss parses not self buffed target skeletons. If you would like to post a couple stam parses from last patch that were well over 50+ that would be fantastic. Regardless I know 57-62 single target ranged mag sorc was about the norm for the worlds #1 HRC runs last patch.
55k single target range (and that's like 3 people doing that)
That is a false statement. 57+ in homestead was easily attainable on single target mag sorcs. Please do not accuse me of making false statements, especially while using false statements of your own.
Literally no one cares about a static fight like Ra Kotu or Mantikora.
And I don't know what else you need to be told for you to actually start believing that stamina is viable, but whatever, you can keep on ranting for all I care.
Stamina is just fine this patch. Stamina NB (which is your main I'm pretty sure) is on the higher end of single target DPS (maybe even higher than stam DK in certain situations). What else do you need to hear?
Regardless of how many people you think care about certain boss parses, I said that to prove a point. The dude said that my statement was false. He said that 55k single target was the absolute max dps that could be pulled, and only 3 people in the world could pull it. I proved that wrong, and you are currently pretty upset about that. My latest posts have been inquiries about how stamina dps are doing this patch. Is their single target still 7k behind mag sorcs? Is their AOE/cleave still 20-30% less than mag toons? Is the 5% buff to blade cloak helping with survivability? These are the questions I was asking other opinions on, I like to hear what is going on outside of just my group of friends/guilds. I am not saying stamina is not viable this patch, although many others are. There has not been 1 stam dps clear vet halls in NA yet, not sure how EU is doing. 600k vma scores seem impossible with stam at the moment, along with 46k+ dsa scores. Regardless of what my main is, or how much dps it is pulling, I am just looking for more information sources of how "viable" stamina is this patch. If you seem to preach on how well it is doing, would you care to link some parses showing the success stamina dps are having this patch?
Did one run of vAA HM to get proper parses, since HoF is pretty bad in this regard.
55k single target DPS, that's actually higher than what I had last patch for this boss. Single run in AA done tonight, so could definitely get higher.
And here for a more AoE heavy fight and stamina intensive fight:
As for trash packs, the new caltrops and using Infused on your main hand weapon of your DW bar (still sharp bow) makes for really strong cleave and AoE.
In terms of survivability, the issue of mechanics lining up to kill you from full health to zero instantly has been partially mitigated with the changes to CPs, thanks in big part to Iron Clad (reduces direct damage).
I'd expect a stamina Nightblade to pull similar or higher single target DPS, but would most likely perform worse in terms of cleave / AoE. Not going to pronounce myself for stamina templar / Warden, as I still need to (re)level those on live.
I'll let Andy S, Streak One and the usual vMA runners do their things, since I'm not a big fan of this place >.> Same for DSA...
As for the new trial, I won't go into details other than: this is absolutely doable on a stamina spec with only Vigor and deadly cloak as long as you know the mechanics. For short: in most cases, what kills you as a stamina DD would likely have killed you as a magicka DD.
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✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
Stamina is pretty good. I know of a few Stamboys that completed the trial. Stamblade, StamDK etc.
I currently play around with Stamsorc 2H and stamDK 2H build in vHoF.
So far the highest dps i have seen came from stamina setup.
So stam dk's are taking back the crown on single target damage? Can't be over-performing mag sorcs by very much I would assume considering stamina was a good 7-10k behind mag sorc single target a week and a half ago. I wonder how the aoe/cleave damage is compared to magicka considering the lightning heavy nerf. Can you elaborate more on what numbers you guys are seeing at the top level? Regarding not just single target, but also aoe/cleave. If a stam dk is pulling a couple k more single target but is still a good 20% less aoe/cleave damage, they still seem like a bad choice for trials.
Thats a false statement. Some of the really big parses from sorcs (talking about those 70k+ VMOL first boss parses) were in the 55k single target range (and that's like 3 people doing that). Stamina was perfectly capable of hitting 50k+ last patch. For what its worth, my testing shows sorc single target has dropped by about 3k on a dummy self buffed. It might be less as we adapt, and as you pointed out, their cleave took a pretty noticeable hit. mNBs are beating them in single as are stam sorc, Stamplar and stam DK based on parses I am seeing. All of them are hitting low 40's outside a raid environment, which translates to about 50 inside one.
Dont get me wrong, sorc is very powerful and rather forgiving these days, but I dont believe they have the best damage any longer.
I was actually talking about the ra kotu and manti parses. Worlds #1 HRC run last patch had a couple guys breaching 60k often, one player even hit 62 on a parse. The weaker players were still over 55+, while the stronger were either near or breaching 60k often. Manti is a bit different, considering there are much more mechanics, but still had lots of players hitting 57+. I am aware stamina was able to breach 50k single target last patch, but it was not by much and quite rare. Highest stam single target I saw was around 51-52. So using basic math, adding 7 to 50+ would be 57+ like my original statement. I hate to break it to you buddy, but you target skelly parses don't mean anything. If you would like to compare numbers, go with trial boss parses not self buffed target skeletons. If you would like to post a couple stam parses from last patch that were well over 50+ that would be fantastic. Regardless I know 57-62 single target ranged mag sorc was about the norm for the worlds #1 HRC runs last patch.
55k single target range (and that's like 3 people doing that)
That is a false statement. 57+ in homestead was easily attainable on single target mag sorcs. Please do not accuse me of making false statements, especially while using false statements of your own.
Literally no one cares about a static fight like Ra Kotu or Mantikora.
And I don't know what else you need to be told for you to actually start believing that stamina is viable, but whatever, you can keep on ranting for all I care.
Stamina is just fine this patch. Stamina NB (which is your main I'm pretty sure) is on the higher end of single target DPS (maybe even higher than stam DK in certain situations). What else do you need to hear?
Regardless of how many people you think care about certain boss parses, I said that to prove a point. The dude said that my statement was false. He said that 55k single target was the absolute max dps that could be pulled, and only 3 people in the world could pull it. I proved that wrong, and you are currently pretty upset about that. My latest posts have been inquiries about how stamina dps are doing this patch. Is their single target still 7k behind mag sorcs? Is their AOE/cleave still 20-30% less than mag toons? Is the 5% buff to blade cloak helping with survivability? These are the questions I was asking other opinions on, I like to hear what is going on outside of just my group of friends/guilds. I am not saying stamina is not viable this patch, although many others are. There has not been 1 stam dps clear vet halls in NA yet, not sure how EU is doing. 600k vma scores seem impossible with stam at the moment, along with 46k+ dsa scores. Regardless of what my main is, or how much dps it is pulling, I am just looking for more information sources of how "viable" stamina is this patch. If you seem to preach on how well it is doing, would you care to link some parses showing the success stamina dps are having this patch?
Did one run of vAA HM to get proper parses, since HoF is pretty bad in this regard.
55k single target DPS, that's actually higher than what I had last patch for this boss. Single run in AA done tonight, so could definitely get higher.
And here for a more AoE heavy fight and stamina intensive fight:
As for trash packs, the new caltrops and using Infused on your main hand weapon of your DW bar (still sharp bow) makes for really strong cleave and AoE.
In terms of survivability, the issue of mechanics lining up to kill you from full health to zero instantly has been partially mitigated with the changes to CPs, thanks in big part to Iron Clad (reduces direct damage).
I'd expect a stamina Nightblade to pull similar or higher single target DPS, but would most likely perform worse in terms of cleave / AoE. Not going to pronounce myself for stamina templar / Warden, as I still need to (re)level those on live.
I'll let Andy S, Streak One and the usual vMA runners do their things, since I'm not a big fan of this place >.> Same for DSA...
As for the new trial, I won't go into details other than: this is absolutely doable on a stamina spec with only Vigor and deadly cloak as long as you know the mechanics. For short: in most cases, what kills you as a stamina DD would likely have killed you as a magicka DD.
84% crit? Are you aware major savagery with pots and flames were stacking? Was fixed with the patch today. Regardless some nice parses.0 -
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✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
Stamina is pretty good. I know of a few Stamboys that completed the trial. Stamblade, StamDK etc.
I currently play around with Stamsorc 2H and stamDK 2H build in vHoF.
So far the highest dps i have seen came from stamina setup.
So stam dk's are taking back the crown on single target damage? Can't be over-performing mag sorcs by very much I would assume considering stamina was a good 7-10k behind mag sorc single target a week and a half ago. I wonder how the aoe/cleave damage is compared to magicka considering the lightning heavy nerf. Can you elaborate more on what numbers you guys are seeing at the top level? Regarding not just single target, but also aoe/cleave. If a stam dk is pulling a couple k more single target but is still a good 20% less aoe/cleave damage, they still seem like a bad choice for trials.
Thats a false statement. Some of the really big parses from sorcs (talking about those 70k+ VMOL first boss parses) were in the 55k single target range (and that's like 3 people doing that). Stamina was perfectly capable of hitting 50k+ last patch. For what its worth, my testing shows sorc single target has dropped by about 3k on a dummy self buffed. It might be less as we adapt, and as you pointed out, their cleave took a pretty noticeable hit. mNBs are beating them in single as are stam sorc, Stamplar and stam DK based on parses I am seeing. All of them are hitting low 40's outside a raid environment, which translates to about 50 inside one.
Dont get me wrong, sorc is very powerful and rather forgiving these days, but I dont believe they have the best damage any longer.
I was actually talking about the ra kotu and manti parses. Worlds #1 HRC run last patch had a couple guys breaching 60k often, one player even hit 62 on a parse. The weaker players were still over 55+, while the stronger were either near or breaching 60k often. Manti is a bit different, considering there are much more mechanics, but still had lots of players hitting 57+. I am aware stamina was able to breach 50k single target last patch, but it was not by much and quite rare. Highest stam single target I saw was around 51-52. So using basic math, adding 7 to 50+ would be 57+ like my original statement. I hate to break it to you buddy, but you target skelly parses don't mean anything. If you would like to compare numbers, go with trial boss parses not self buffed target skeletons. If you would like to post a couple stam parses from last patch that were well over 50+ that would be fantastic. Regardless I know 57-62 single target ranged mag sorc was about the norm for the worlds #1 HRC runs last patch.
55k single target range (and that's like 3 people doing that)
That is a false statement. 57+ in homestead was easily attainable on single target mag sorcs. Please do not accuse me of making false statements, especially while using false statements of your own.
Literally no one cares about a static fight like Ra Kotu or Mantikora.
And I don't know what else you need to be told for you to actually start believing that stamina is viable, but whatever, you can keep on ranting for all I care.
Stamina is just fine this patch. Stamina NB (which is your main I'm pretty sure) is on the higher end of single target DPS (maybe even higher than stam DK in certain situations). What else do you need to hear?
Regardless of how many people you think care about certain boss parses, I said that to prove a point. The dude said that my statement was false. He said that 55k single target was the absolute max dps that could be pulled, and only 3 people in the world could pull it. I proved that wrong, and you are currently pretty upset about that. My latest posts have been inquiries about how stamina dps are doing this patch. Is their single target still 7k behind mag sorcs? Is their AOE/cleave still 20-30% less than mag toons? Is the 5% buff to blade cloak helping with survivability? These are the questions I was asking other opinions on, I like to hear what is going on outside of just my group of friends/guilds. I am not saying stamina is not viable this patch, although many others are. There has not been 1 stam dps clear vet halls in NA yet, not sure how EU is doing. 600k vma scores seem impossible with stam at the moment, along with 46k+ dsa scores. Regardless of what my main is, or how much dps it is pulling, I am just looking for more information sources of how "viable" stamina is this patch. If you seem to preach on how well it is doing, would you care to link some parses showing the success stamina dps are having this patch?
Did one run of vAA HM to get proper parses, since HoF is pretty bad in this regard.
55k single target DPS, that's actually higher than what I had last patch for this boss. Single run in AA done tonight, so could definitely get higher.
And here for a more AoE heavy fight and stamina intensive fight:
As for trash packs, the new caltrops and using Infused on your main hand weapon of your DW bar (still sharp bow) makes for really strong cleave and AoE.
In terms of survivability, the issue of mechanics lining up to kill you from full health to zero instantly has been partially mitigated with the changes to CPs, thanks in big part to Iron Clad (reduces direct damage).
I'd expect a stamina Nightblade to pull similar or higher single target DPS, but would most likely perform worse in terms of cleave / AoE. Not going to pronounce myself for stamina templar / Warden, as I still need to (re)level those on live.
I'll let Andy S, Streak One and the usual vMA runners do their things, since I'm not a big fan of this place >.> Same for DSA...
As for the new trial, I won't go into details other than: this is absolutely doable on a stamina spec with only Vigor and deadly cloak as long as you know the mechanics. For short: in most cases, what kills you as a stamina DD would likely have killed you as a magicka DD.
84% crit? Are you aware major savagery with pots and flames were stacking? Was fixed with the patch today. Regardless some nice parses.
Yeah, I was aware of the bug, I actually reported it at the end of the last PTS cycle, so I'm not surprised they didn't fix it in time for live. But nope, not using it in this case. Crit chance is high because:
- Hundings 5/3x (5 on front bar)
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- NB in the group
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