VMA as Stamina without Dual Wield ?

oahaha

I don't care about score, i just want to finish it and maybe get a 2h sword, that's the only item that I want.
If I get a 2h sword with a decent trait i'll never try it again.

Wizball1987

Dont talk about 2hands...thats all i get !! I need staff lol

FlyLionel

oahaha wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Or just use dual wield in vma and whatever you like in the rest of the game.

WHY just WHY should i play something that i don't like ?????

It doesnt matter what you like, Vma is a dps test for the solo player. Guess what weapon gives the most dps? It is not a reason to not use Dual wield just because you do not like it; it simply will get the job done. If you complain about not wanting to use the one thing that will make life easier in that dungeon and after still complain when you use a tanks choice of weapon? Also you can complete vma with a 2h, preferably on a Templar or Nb with class Aoe. I suggest going on Youtube and checking out VMA clears/builds on your class(Get an idea). Good luck.

strikeback1247

I did my first runs with 2H and it was just fine.
Setup on stam dk was:
5x hunding's rage
2x engine guardian
3x agility
Random sharpened 2H
Random sharpened bow

oahaha

uninstall/unsubscribe/never gonna play this stupid game again, it's just to much damage.

nickl413

oahaha wrote: »

uninstall/unsubscribe/never gonna play this stupid game again, it's just to much damage.

Crematorial Gaurd I assume. That's literally the only thing that makes the final boss fight hard. Find a way to deal with him and it's easy. There's a lot going on all at once at the beginning of that fight but once you get it down, it becomes one of the easier boss fights.

I've only completed on a mag sorc once so I'm no expert, but I just shield up, keep power surge up, drop wall of elements, liquid lightning, the destro ultimate, keep shields up, and focus the CG. Stay away from the clanfear as he can one shot you. Watch out for the bosses aoe, which will also one shot you.

You can also grab the defense sigil there, that will help a lot.

oahaha

Not gonna try and also i'm not gonna play anymore, I've started to play this game just because I love the elder scroll franchise, and it was fun at the beginning, lots of quests nice story, lots of things to do.
This is the only thing that I still have to finish, i'm not the best at the game and i don't want to bee, never in my life i raged this much at a game, just because i play for fun, but this is just stupid, it dose not deserve my time or my money.
I'm gonna play Morrowind story when it comes just because I preorder it but that's it for me, don't need this ***.

Masel

oahaha wrote: »

Not gonna try and also i'm not gonna play anymore, I've started to play this game just because I love the elder scroll franchise, and it was fun at the beginning, lots of quests nice story, lots of things to do.
This is the only thing that I still have to finish, i'm not the best at the game and i don't want to bee, never in my life i raged this much at a game, just because i play for fun, but this is just stupid, it dose not deserve my time or my money.
I'm gonna play Morrowind story when it comes just because I preorder it but that's it for me, don't need this ***.

Don't resign OP, I'll record you a video of the last boss with 2h/bow next week when I'm back home alright?

You can dish out more than enough damage to break 530-540k scores with a two-handed weapon, maybe even more.

nickl413

He's mAg sorc now...

DocFrost72

nickl413 wrote: »

He's mAg sorc now...

And it may be some of the problem. If you take a few days off and still wish to leave, OP, then it may be genuine. Right after getting killed you'll want to swear off VMA forever, though.

Mag sorcs are good in VMA to be sure, but if you've never played one you may end up gimp ing yourself on experience with the toon that you had with stam sorc, plus leveled skills. Food for thought

oahaha

I've done it, last night finallyyyyyyyyyyy, ooo this fells goooooooooood.
I had problems with the fire breathing add, he always killed me even if i shield spam, but i got around that by just circling him when he is doing that fire breath.
Finally done it, YES.

KingYogi415

Chooses skills by animation looks.

Get's mad when he can't beat the hardest content in the game...

People these days!

oahaha

@KingYogi415 yes that what I did.
The exact attitude with FlyLionel, play what they give you even if you don't like it, be a bot like all other bots, don't be original and don't come up with constructive criticism.
Why you bother to post ?

KingYogi415

Running the correct gear is just a stepping stone. It's not going to make the place easy, just possible.

You want to roleplay with animations you like using that's fine. For 90% of the game.

Just don't come here qq'ing you cant beat the games hardest content in the game.

Good players change their weapons skills and cp for every different piece of content they step in. And every weapon is BIS for different things.

To an end-game player saying "I don't like the animations" is silly and irrational.

oahaha

I don't qq over the fact that I can't beat the hardest content, I was qq-ing over the fact that there are multiple choices (2 handed weapons, bow, 1 hand and shield and so on) but still the hardest content in the game can be efficiently done with a specific set of skills.
The problems is they tell you that you have a choice in what you play but in truth you have only one, it's a problem with the skill tree balancing, that's my biggest problem not the fact that i'm bad at dps, I don't care, that's way I don't participate in raid challenges, because I'm not that good, and I don't want to be that good.
I had my fair share of games where I was good, maybe one of the best but that was 10 years ago.
For me this game is a casual game, and a solo challenge should be possible to beat with all kinds of skills (ofc you have to have some decent build, not rally on all your skill slots or some other stupid skill combination) you should be able to flawlessly beat the arena with all the skill trees not just one.
And ofc there are ppl out there that probably managed to finish it with one hand and shield flawlessly but too few, it's an online game with different types of players, they all should have a chance of finishing it.
Take this in consideration, if one player enjoys a healing and it's good at it, very very good at it, but hes dislikes dps, he has no chance just because you have to be a dps and a specific one at that.
I only enjoy playing as a dps in PvP, and open world when I role play, so for me it's kinda the same thing, I play as a tank and I'm decent at it (not the best), why can't I just beat the arena as a tank (ofc at a slower pace because i'm a tank but still finish it).

oahaha

Also I played for many years World of Warcraft and in all my years of playing that game I never had a problem doing a solo challenge as a healer or a tank, and for many many years I was the guild main healer, and never played as dps, I've quested as a healer I've done challenges as a healer, I've done everything as a healer (I know it's not the same, in ESO you have more variations of skills but i think you get my point)

MakoFore

my first clear was with the traditional dual/bow setup on stam sorc and i recommend sorc as a first clear - either mag or stam. and dual wield or resto/destro- just to get the mechanics. once you get that- once you can stay alive long enough basically to comprehend whats happening- any weapon will get u thru it. i enjoy 2 hand and bow the most- i do it for 80 percent of my runs. i dont get on the leaderboards with it- its just not enough AOE to clear mobs- but its just alot of fun- plus its good practise for pvp- i find. but I'm just responding that- all types of weapons are viable in vMA- its the player - not the build. ALOT of people are grinding so and aa lately- more than usual it seems- and alot of them are like "one i get my VO set- i ll be able to do vMA finally" - but its really not the way to go about it - kind of like golfers that upgrade the clubs instead of learning the course. not saying you're one of those people- but just that focus on the stages- not the gear, on the mechanics and your own class- keeping buffs up, healing- and you ll get thru it.

one of my friends - a mag plar- a realy knowledgable and good player- went thru it first time he tried it- with 10 deths- just because he saw videos on the mechanics- but moreso- he knows how to play his class. how to heal thru damage and when to apply certain dps . and he ran it on his healer build too. resto- destro. it can be done with any weapons.

oahaha

@MakoFore I know the mechanics are much a part of it, and an important at that.
I know it's possible to do it with all the weapon types, may earlier post was about the idea in general, for a flawless run for example it's extremely hard to do it as a tank or a healer, I don't say it's not possible.
There will be always someone that will do it but that is not the point. One or some few dedicated individuals are not a representation of the community. The idea that a tank build is represented by (let's say 10 ppl) from community and a dual/bow build is represented by 100000000 ppl, is just broken.
Of course the tank build should have less just because is slower, but not at that difference.
Now I got the mechanics and in my second run I only died in the frost stage 2 (just because I was an idiot) and the poison one were I still need to practice (around 10 times), but I used a mag sorc build that everyone is using, If i try a tank build i'll die every time in the frost stage just because i don't have damage.

MakoFore

oahaha wrote: »

@MakoFore I know the mechanics are much a part of it, and an important at that.
I know it's possible to do it with all the weapon types, may earlier post was about the idea in general, for a flawless run for example it's extremely hard to do it as a tank or a healer, I don't say it's not possible.
There will be always someone that will do it but that is not the point. One or some few dedicated individuals are not a representation of the community. The idea that a tank build is represented by (let's say 10 ppl) from community and a dual/bow build is represented by 100000000 ppl, is just broken.
Of course the tank build should have less just because is slower, but not at that difference.
Now I got the mechanics and in my second run I only died in the frost stage 2 (just because I was an idiot) and the poison one were I still need to practice (around 10 times), but I used a mag sorc build that everyone is using, If i try a tank build i'll die every time in the frost stage just because i don't have damage.

i agree that VMA is a dgneon that favours specific builds and obviously classes. only 100 people get scores of 530K on sorc- while only 30 people a week finish it as templars and DKs and a score of 31K will get you on those even if 100 do finish.
but it is what we have atm and a viable test for DD's.

i think we need more single player arena content- especially for tanks and healers- the trouble is- the idea itself- I've yet to o hear an idea for a single player tank/healer challenge - so maybe this is the kind of thing we can think of? I'm sure Zos is struggling with the fundamental concept themsleves- because for a single player event- the fundamental definition and basis of the roles of tank and healer- are team roles. so is tricky to think of arenas for them- unless you introduce NPC;s perhaps and have support challenges?

Juhasow

oahaha wrote: »

After a looooong period of time I've decided to try VMA again, last time (around 2 or 3 months ago) I raged quit the game and canceled my subscription just because it's stupid hard.
So because I did not have anything to do (PvP is soooooo bad right now), I've decided to try this no life challenge, but guess what, only Dual Wield WORKS, and I hate dual wield.
From my point of view only 2 skills (steal tornado and the ulti) have a nice animation in that skill tree, the rest are garbage. Because of this I've tried one hand and shield with a tank build.
At first it's fun you don't die but also you don't have any dmg, so it's not good, next I've tried 2h, ooooooooo bad move, a lot of dmg but you die like a bug, then i've decided to go with one had and shield but with more dps and it was ok till the round 4 when it's no longer viable to use it.
So my question to you all how one can finish this stupid challenge if you like to play this game as a tank,healer a 2h damage dealer, bow dps or another thing that is not related to the classic builds ????????
You DON"T, you just DON"T, the game is punishing you for playing what you like.
I get that the arena should be hard but not impossible if you don't use a copy/paste build.
So how can I finish it if I don't use a copy/paste build ?????
You get punished in PvE, you get punished in PvP, it's just not fun I guess the only thing to do is to cancel again my subscription and be done with the game, I should move on to other games that don't punish ppl for playing what they like.
I don't want to be the first or anything I only want to finish it and that's all it's that to much to ask ????

True is You can finish vMA as stamina char with basicly any stamina based weapons combo. All You need is L2P instead of whining. VMA isnt super hard content if You practicing it. That's so thypicall for some people that they just want to do something instantly especially PvP players that grining their gear. I'll not even comment fact You dont using dual wield because You dont like animations of its skills. Hell maybe someone will cry soon that he cant complete vMA on his magicka char with bow...

You can complete vMA with 2h/bow combo and it'll take slightly more time then with dual wield but wont be hard ( I know it from my own experience). You just need to L2P and if You cant handle this because You dont have enough skill or patience then sorry. This content isnt for everyone but just for some group of players like in any MMO.

oahaha

Juhasow wrote: »

oahaha wrote: »

After a looooong period of time I've decided to try VMA again, last time (around 2 or 3 months ago) I raged quit the game and canceled my subscription just because it's stupid hard.
So because I did not have anything to do (PvP is soooooo bad right now), I've decided to try this no life challenge, but guess what, only Dual Wield WORKS, and I hate dual wield.
From my point of view only 2 skills (steal tornado and the ulti) have a nice animation in that skill tree, the rest are garbage. Because of this I've tried one hand and shield with a tank build.
At first it's fun you don't die but also you don't have any dmg, so it's not good, next I've tried 2h, ooooooooo bad move, a lot of dmg but you die like a bug, then i've decided to go with one had and shield but with more dps and it was ok till the round 4 when it's no longer viable to use it.
So my question to you all how one can finish this stupid challenge if you like to play this game as a tank,healer a 2h damage dealer, bow dps or another thing that is not related to the classic builds ????????
You DON"T, you just DON"T, the game is punishing you for playing what you like.
I get that the arena should be hard but not impossible if you don't use a copy/paste build.
So how can I finish it if I don't use a copy/paste build ?????
You get punished in PvE, you get punished in PvP, it's just not fun I guess the only thing to do is to cancel again my subscription and be done with the game, I should move on to other games that don't punish ppl for playing what they like.
I don't want to be the first or anything I only want to finish it and that's all it's that to much to ask ????

True is You can finish vMA as stamina char with basicly any stamina based weapons combo. All You need is L2P instead of whining. VMA isnt super hard content if You practicing it. That's so thypicall for some people that they just want to do something instantly especially PvP players that grining their gear. I'll not even comment fact You dont using dual wield because You dont like animations of its skills. Hell maybe someone will cry soon that he cant complete vMA on his magicka char with bow...

You can complete vMA with 2h/bow combo and it'll take slightly more time then with dual wield but wont be hard ( I know it from my own experience). You just need to L2P and if You cant handle this because You dont have enough skill or patience then sorry. This content isnt for everyone but just for some group of players like in any MMO.

You Sir have missed the point entirely, It's not about 1% of the elitists gamer's out there, they don't pay the bills, they are just 1%.
If I want to play as a tank because I enjoy it, or I don't want to play dual wield just because I don't enjoy the animation, then their job is to provide content that can be done. You are looking at it as every PvP player, go for meta, just because meta is powerful, and in PvP it's ok, it's competitive player vs player, I never rage when I get killed by a guy with viper/tremor scale, I also run that so why should I rage.
In PvE it should be competitive but for every type of role (tank, healer, dps) otherwise the game is one sided you can play one role and the rest are just there to help the main role, and that's not fun for support players. Here is the problem you might have an awesome tank player just because he likes to play tank and he invests time in tanking but at the same time that player is crap at dps, just because he is not investing any time in that role.
So by not allowing that awesome tank player to play hes role you as a company are limiting him, and it's not ok.
Why you as a dps player should have other benefits then me as a tank player, why that role should have privileges over the other 2 roles ?

Zinaroth

I got my flawless run on my stamina templar in 5 heavy and 2 medium with a two-handed mace and a bow on the back bar. Not very meta gear setup or class/spec choise but I made it work. This was three patches ago, so just before One Tamriel launch. I believe I was using Black Rose, Velidreth, Agility, Maelstrom Defending Maul and Maelstrom Infused Bow. If I weren't going for flawless run I am pretty sure that any stamina orientated heavy armor coupled with any damage orientated monster set and random weapons could have been fine, aslong as the weapons were golded out. Good luck!

Xvorg

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

I was doing it regularly on a bow/bow setup on my DK. I initially was doing it with 2H/Bow and bow mainhand. It is very doable with other weapons than DW, you just need to learn the rounds better and improve your setup and play.

As bow/bow I generally run it with 5 set/5 set/1 set and you don't need a particular set to be able to beat VMA. I've beaten it with:

5marksman5hawkeye
5hundings5marksman
5hundings5hawkeye
5redmountain5hundings
5gladiator5hawkeye

With those setups I'm running a 1peice of Kragh or Kena.

I've also run 5/3/3 using agility rings, or 5/3/2 with moster set and off set weapons.

Some setups work better than others but really you can complete it with just about any set in the game. Once you learn the rounds its more about avoiding mechanics that kill you and then outputting just enough dps to continue.

For the longest time I did round 7 boss where I kited him the entire time and avoided going anywhere near him so he couldn't stun me and it was easier to avoid the stomp tremors. I used venom arrow to keep him interrupted and bursted his adds anytime they spawned. This was generally a safe strategy but took much longer in time.

The only thing that greatly changes your experience of the rounds is the damage output and how fast you are killing adds. If you don't greatly change your setup, the rounds are almost exactly the same each time. Then it just becomes a measure of learning what to expect and when to expect it.

The super high scores are not done by players who don't know the rounds, if you watch the videos those players are prepping and setting up for each portal before the portal appears or adds spawn.

Because VMA is repeatable in that the rounds are pretty much exactly the same, then if you are having issues with it there are really only a few things to be said. Either you are taking unnecessary damage because you are not positioning yourself well to avoid damage, or possibly you are not killing priority targets and navigating specific design mechanics, or you just don't know the rounds well enough and need to watch videos and practice.

There are people now who are completing it with little to no CP and very bad gear so its really more a measure of the time you are willing to put into it, as well as how clever you are as to dealing with mechanics or whether you are willing to go look up a video and watch someone else explain how to deal with something.

Why Marksman?

Juhasow

oahaha wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

oahaha wrote: »

After a looooong period of time I've decided to try VMA again, last time (around 2 or 3 months ago) I raged quit the game and canceled my subscription just because it's stupid hard.
So because I did not have anything to do (PvP is soooooo bad right now), I've decided to try this no life challenge, but guess what, only Dual Wield WORKS, and I hate dual wield.
From my point of view only 2 skills (steal tornado and the ulti) have a nice animation in that skill tree, the rest are garbage. Because of this I've tried one hand and shield with a tank build.
At first it's fun you don't die but also you don't have any dmg, so it's not good, next I've tried 2h, ooooooooo bad move, a lot of dmg but you die like a bug, then i've decided to go with one had and shield but with more dps and it was ok till the round 4 when it's no longer viable to use it.
So my question to you all how one can finish this stupid challenge if you like to play this game as a tank,healer a 2h damage dealer, bow dps or another thing that is not related to the classic builds ????????
You DON"T, you just DON"T, the game is punishing you for playing what you like.
I get that the arena should be hard but not impossible if you don't use a copy/paste build.
So how can I finish it if I don't use a copy/paste build ?????
You get punished in PvE, you get punished in PvP, it's just not fun I guess the only thing to do is to cancel again my subscription and be done with the game, I should move on to other games that don't punish ppl for playing what they like.
I don't want to be the first or anything I only want to finish it and that's all it's that to much to ask ????

True is You can finish vMA as stamina char with basicly any stamina based weapons combo. All You need is L2P instead of whining. VMA isnt super hard content if You practicing it. That's so thypicall for some people that they just want to do something instantly especially PvP players that grining their gear. I'll not even comment fact You dont using dual wield because You dont like animations of its skills. Hell maybe someone will cry soon that he cant complete vMA on his magicka char with bow...

You can complete vMA with 2h/bow combo and it'll take slightly more time then with dual wield but wont be hard ( I know it from my own experience). You just need to L2P and if You cant handle this because You dont have enough skill or patience then sorry. This content isnt for everyone but just for some group of players like in any MMO.

You Sir have missed the point entirely, It's not about 1% of the elitists gamer's out there, they don't pay the bills, they are just 1%.
If I want to play as a tank because I enjoy it, or I don't want to play dual wield just because I don't enjoy the animation, then their job is to provide content that can be done. You are looking at it as every PvP player, go for meta, just because meta is powerful, and in PvP it's ok, it's competitive player vs player, I never rage when I get killed by a guy with viper/tremor scale, I also run that so why should I rage.
In PvE it should be competitive but for every type of role (tank, healer, dps) otherwise the game is one sided you can play one role and the rest are just there to help the main role, and that's not fun for support players. Here is the problem you might have an awesome tank player just because he likes to play tank and he invests time in tanking but at the same time that player is crap at dps, just because he is not investing any time in that role.
So by not allowing that awesome tank player to play hes role you as a company are limiting him, and it's not ok.
Why you as a dps player should have other benefits then me as a tank player, why that role should have privileges over the other 2 roles ?

So many missed points I dont know what should I start off.
1. You play meta in PvP and dont have problem with that but You have problem with playing meta in PvE ?...LOL. That can basicly close the thread.
2. Yes it is about 1% of the players. It's nothing new MMO's have content created for elite of players that can hanle it by having enough skill and patience to complete something. Maelstorm arena is 1% of whole game content for that 1% of players.
3. Noone said every content is for everyone. Otherwise everyone would soon cry that game is too easy. Good players deserve to be rewarded and weak players need to accept their weakness or face it and try to improve themselves.
4. True about maelstorm weapons is that almost all of them are created for DD's. Have You ever seen meta build with maelstorm resto or s&b ? No. Tanks and healers dont need to go there. They're not limited by not having maelstorm weapons at all.
5. VMA can be completed in heavy armor with s&b after few changes in setup. So players that are tanks also can go there and finish it but like any others they'll also need time and practice. Nothing is for free and I have feeling You want it would be that way.

So my advice is , instead of whining about how game is created You should L2P and accept game rules or just leave vMA. If You dont want to improve Your skill by practicing vMA then it's not for You. You need to face the fact there will be never ideal ballance that would allow all the builds to be the same effective in same scenario. Wake up and face it. If You would spend enough time there on training You would be able to complete it in any build already. You just want one of the hardest content to be easy only because You dont have desire to practice it. So shalloow thinking...

oahaha

@Juhasow
1. It's PvE you can play as you like that's why it's PvE, you don't have to play meta (you have to play meta if you go in dungeons and raid content) but solo content should not be about meta builds.
2. I agree with you it's about 1% when it comes to elite content, but the difference it's too high when it comes to loot table, you should allow the rest to have access to that loot table but in time much more time (for example they could add some sort of key on normal arena and at 10 keys you have a chance at a vma weapon, you can get one key per week), this allows elite players to get the items faster by finishing VMA and the not so elite players get that same weapons but much more harder. There is always a way, so I don't agree with you that this should be only for the 1% if it's a solo challenge.
3. Not all content should be for everyone ofc, that's why there are raid challenges, group challenges and solo ones, but when it comes to solo, the content should not be that hard, or it can be but with a alternative for all players.
4. It's true as a tank, I'm not limited to the arena weapons but it would be nice to try and make a build with one hand and shield drops, so if I can't go there as a tank, it's kinda a limitation.
5. It's true, right now as mag sorc I learned it, and know what I have to do, I'll try to learn it as stamina but in time. I know nothing is for free but it's frustrating to know the role you like to play can't do anything in vMA.

oahaha

And regarding the last block of text you wrote, at first i did not want to respond to it, and only addressing the points you made (some of them very good points).
But here it is.
First of all if you accept everything as it is then you should not post on a forum, just to argue with ppl, you should post to help or give ideas to developers on what's wrong and maybe how to fix it.
It's not about not wanting to improve, it's about improving something that I don't play, I did finish it as mag sorc so in the end I did improved something.
About facing the fact that is not ideal balancing in the game is why I posted in the first place, maybe just maybe someone from ZOS will see it and address it, just maybe.
Or maybe someone that posts a reply to my post has a great idea on how to fix it, that's why there is a forum.
And as for my "shallow thinking" I would not respond to that, it's just not worth it.

kessik221

Theres a ton of builds that can clear vma that dont dual wield. This seems like a classic case of the "get gud".

Toc de Malsvi

Xvorg wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

I was doing it regularly on a bow/bow setup on my DK. I initially was doing it with 2H/Bow and bow mainhand. It is very doable with other weapons than DW, you just need to learn the rounds better and improve your setup and play.

As bow/bow I generally run it with 5 set/5 set/1 set and you don't need a particular set to be able to beat VMA. I've beaten it with:

5marksman5hawkeye
5hundings5marksman
5hundings5hawkeye
5redmountain5hundings
5gladiator5hawkeye

With those setups I'm running a 1peice of Kragh or Kena.

I've also run 5/3/3 using agility rings, or 5/3/2 with moster set and off set weapons.

Some setups work better than others but really you can complete it with just about any set in the game. Once you learn the rounds its more about avoiding mechanics that kill you and then outputting just enough dps to continue.

For the longest time I did round 7 boss where I kited him the entire time and avoided going anywhere near him so he couldn't stun me and it was easier to avoid the stomp tremors. I used venom arrow to keep him interrupted and bursted his adds anytime they spawned. This was generally a safe strategy but took much longer in time.

The only thing that greatly changes your experience of the rounds is the damage output and how fast you are killing adds. If you don't greatly change your setup, the rounds are almost exactly the same each time. Then it just becomes a measure of learning what to expect and when to expect it.

The super high scores are not done by players who don't know the rounds, if you watch the videos those players are prepping and setting up for each portal before the portal appears or adds spawn.

Because VMA is repeatable in that the rounds are pretty much exactly the same, then if you are having issues with it there are really only a few things to be said. Either you are taking unnecessary damage because you are not positioning yourself well to avoid damage, or possibly you are not killing priority targets and navigating specific design mechanics, or you just don't know the rounds well enough and need to watch videos and practice.

There are people now who are completing it with little to no CP and very bad gear so its really more a measure of the time you are willing to put into it, as well as how clever you are as to dealing with mechanics or whether you are willing to go look up a video and watch someone else explain how to deal with something.

Why Marksman?

My initial issues with VMA surrounded sustain not damage, Marksman's 5% cost reduction applies to all stamina abilities not just bow skills, and it also has 2 recovery slots.

I wouldn't by any means recommend it as there are much better setups, just pointing out that I did it with that setup, so even sacrificing a 5 set bonus it was still very doable.

Juhasow

oahaha wrote: »

And regarding the last block of text you wrote, at first i did not want to respond to it, and only addressing the points you made (some of them very good points).
But here it is.
First of all if you accept everything as it is then you should not post on a forum, just to argue with ppl, you should post to help or give ideas to developers on what's wrong and maybe how to fix it.
It's not about not wanting to improve, it's about improving something that I don't play, I did finish it as mag sorc so in the end I did improved something.
About facing the fact that is not ideal balancing in the game is why I posted in the first place, maybe just maybe someone from ZOS will see it and address it, just maybe.
Or maybe someone that posts a reply to my post has a great idea on how to fix it, that's why there is a forum.
And as for my "shallow thinking" I would not respond to that, it's just not worth it.

There will be never ideal ballance as I wrote earlier. It's simply impossible. Some combinations will always be weaker in certain scenario and some will be better. Noone will improve anything about vMA because that content is created as it should be. It's not for tanks in the meaning of someone who takes dmg and not doing dmg but it is also for heavy armor users that have builds which do dmg. Make that one and do it. No dual wield needed no meta sets needed. I've done this content with 205 cp character wearing heavy armor in the past. That's my point. Game allows to make many udefull and playable builds but lets be honest it cant allow to create any build. If heavy armor would be equal to medium in DPS noone would wear medium in PvE same with weapons. Certain weapons have certain destinations.

oahaha

Juhasow wrote: »

oahaha wrote: »

And regarding the last block of text you wrote, at first i did not want to respond to it, and only addressing the points you made (some of them very good points).
But here it is.
First of all if you accept everything as it is then you should not post on a forum, just to argue with ppl, you should post to help or give ideas to developers on what's wrong and maybe how to fix it.
It's not about not wanting to improve, it's about improving something that I don't play, I did finish it as mag sorc so in the end I did improved something.
About facing the fact that is not ideal balancing in the game is why I posted in the first place, maybe just maybe someone from ZOS will see it and address it, just maybe.
Or maybe someone that posts a reply to my post has a great idea on how to fix it, that's why there is a forum.
And as for my "shallow thinking" I would not respond to that, it's just not worth it.

There will be never ideal ballance as I wrote earlier. It's simply impossible. Some combinations will always be weaker in certain scenario and some will be better. Noone will improve anything about vMA because that content is created as it should be. It's not for tanks in the meaning of someone who takes dmg and not doing dmg but it is also for heavy armor users that have builds which do dmg. Make that one and do it. No dual wield needed no meta sets needed. I've done this content with 205 cp character wearing heavy armor in the past. That's my point. Game allows to make many udefull and playable builds but lets be honest it cant allow to create any build. If heavy armor would be equal to medium in DPS noone would wear medium in PvE same with weapons. Certain weapons have certain destinations.

Yes, you are right, I get that, It would be nice tho to be able to play as a tank.I gave up on the idea but maybe for future things they should consider tanks and healers when they implement solo challenges, that's all.
I'll farm it as mag sorc and maybe in the future i'll try too finish it as stamina just for a personal challenge.