Viper or Spriggans?

Ohhgrizyyy

Currently leveling a stam DK, Gonna run either 5 piece Black Rose (Most likely) or possibly Fury. 2 Tumorscale...Now should I also run 5 viper or 5 spriggans? Basically do I want to be a cancer build or not?

Enslaved

Viper

Viper. Don't be a fool, use what is stronger. Also, as one tumorscale user to another, we are already cancer, just with that.
Also, if you want, check 7th legion.

Jitterbug

Spriggans

A bit of a weird poll as one is a gear set and the other is a huge block of cheese.

Ohhgrizyyy

This'll be my first build ever running tumorscale lmao. Gotta farm me a sharpened vipers weapon then. Gotta farm tumorscale and gotta farm blackrose so a long way to go lol

hmsdragonfly

Spriggans

If you are good, spriggan is the better option, more DPS overall.
If you are bad, viper is the way to go.

Enslaved

Viper

lol

Ohhgrizyyy

Nah it ain't a point of being good or bad. Its a point of being cancer or not

Duiwel

Sword Singer

hmsdragonfly

Spriggans

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Nah it ain't a point of being good or bad. Its a point of being cancer or not

Viper = 3k damage every 6 seconds in PvP.
A skilled player with 1500 pen can pull a higher damage output than someone using viper, so spriggan is better in that case.
A bad player cannot, so viper is the way to go.

Enslaved

Viper

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Nah it ain't a point of being good or bad. Its a point of being cancer or not

Viper = 3k damage every 6 seconds in PvP.
A skilled player with 1500 pen can pull a higher damage output than someone using viper, so spriggan is better in that case.
A bad player cannot, so viper is the way to go.

This is wrong on so many lvls.
A good player that want to deal with lot of bad players in quick succession will choose viper to do so. Spriggan is bullshiet against all shield stacking magicka classes - mSorc, mTemp, mNB, mDK. Shields make spriggan useless. On the other hand, viper and tumorscale will proc at once, and target is pretty much f* up. And guess what, few sec later, it will proc again.

FerrumnCutem

Spriggans

Twice fanged serpent.
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Twice-Fanged+Serpent+Set

hmsdragonfly

Spriggans

Enslaved wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Nah it ain't a point of being good or bad. Its a point of being cancer or not

Viper = 3k damage every 6 seconds in PvP.
A skilled player with 1500 pen can pull a higher damage output than someone using viper, so spriggan is better in that case.
A bad player cannot, so viper is the way to go.

This is wrong on so many lvls.
A good player that want to deal with lot of bad players in quick succession will choose viper to do so. Spriggan is bullshiet against all shield stacking magicka classes - mSorc, mTemp, mNB, mDK. Shields make spriggan useless. On the other hand, viper and tumorscale will proc at once, and target is pretty much f* up. And guess what, few sec later, it will proc again.

This is wrong on so many lvls.

A good player (meaning, mechanically skilled, who can do a lot of animation cancelling etc) will simply pull a higher damage output than someone using viper, because they can perform a lot of attacks in a short amount of time. The more skilled you are, the more you get from spriggan.
Viper is a fixed 3k damage every 6 seconds. Your skills don't matter, it's a fixed 3k damage every 6 seconds.

Yes, Spriggan is "bullshiet" if the user is bad, in term of mechanical skills. In that case, Viper is the better option.

Tommy_The_Gun

Spriggans

That depends... Spriggan is more "universal".
If you are using a bow for example - Viper won't work - it only works on melee attacks... and has 4 sec cool-down:
Your Melee Attacks deal 6720 Poison damage. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Viper's+Sting+Set

Both are good but I think that without spriggan - viper has no point because this additional dmg will be reduced by other player's armour. I would go for Spriggan & Viper.. or Spriggan and Hunding's Rage.

Enslaved

Viper

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Nah it ain't a point of being good or bad. Its a point of being cancer or not

Viper = 3k damage every 6 seconds in PvP.
A skilled player with 1500 pen can pull a higher damage output than someone using viper, so spriggan is better in that case.
A bad player cannot, so viper is the way to go.

This is wrong on so many lvls.
A good player that want to deal with lot of bad players in quick succession will choose viper to do so. Spriggan is bullshiet against all shield stacking magicka classes - mSorc, mTemp, mNB, mDK. Shields make spriggan useless. On the other hand, viper and tumorscale will proc at once, and target is pretty much f* up. And guess what, few sec later, it will proc again.

This is wrong on so many lvls.

A good player (meaning, mechanically skilled, who can do a lot of animation cancelling etc) will simply pull a higher damage output than someone using viper, because they can perform a lot of attacks in a short amount of time. The more skilled you are, the more you get from spriggan.
Viper is a fixed 3k damage every 6 seconds. Your skills don't matter, it's a fixed 3k damage every 6 seconds.

Yes, Spriggan is "bullshiet" if the user is bad, in term of mechanical skills. In that case, Viper is the better option.

I call it a BS once again.

Let me see you AC while your ping is around 500 and infront of the gates you protect there is like 70 AD. Also, the sole fact you think spriggan is any good against shield stackers shows that you don't PvP that much, at least since homestead patch.

Penetration is useless against shields. Not my invention, its game mechanics.

Viper's 3k took my enemies into execute range so many times, and spriggan is great against new players that stands in medium armor with little to none impen waiting to be killed. Add there new players that forget to cast their shields on time, and cheap ones that would rather die than use immovable pot. But guess what, you kill them with viper even faster.

I farmed my ass off for spriggan, have entire set in impen and divines, also all sharpened weapons but double maces. And I had enough time on my sDK to test it in PvP. And you know what - it sucks balls compared to Viper.

Oh, and its 4 seconds, not 6. 6 is for sheer venom.

Knootewoot

Spriggans

If you want to be cool and more unique, Spriggan. If you want to join the horde, Viper. Your choice. I won't think lesser of you if you decide Viper though.

hmsdragonfly

Spriggans

Enslaved wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Nah it ain't a point of being good or bad. Its a point of being cancer or not

Viper = 3k damage every 6 seconds in PvP.
A skilled player with 1500 pen can pull a higher damage output than someone using viper, so spriggan is better in that case.
A bad player cannot, so viper is the way to go.

This is wrong on so many lvls.
A good player that want to deal with lot of bad players in quick succession will choose viper to do so. Spriggan is bullshiet against all shield stacking magicka classes - mSorc, mTemp, mNB, mDK. Shields make spriggan useless. On the other hand, viper and tumorscale will proc at once, and target is pretty much f* up. And guess what, few sec later, it will proc again.

This is wrong on so many lvls.

A good player (meaning, mechanically skilled, who can do a lot of animation cancelling etc) will simply pull a higher damage output than someone using viper, because they can perform a lot of attacks in a short amount of time. The more skilled you are, the more you get from spriggan.
Viper is a fixed 3k damage every 6 seconds. Your skills don't matter, it's a fixed 3k damage every 6 seconds.

Yes, Spriggan is "bullshiet" if the user is bad, in term of mechanical skills. In that case, Viper is the better option.

I call it a BS once again.

Let me see you AC while your ping is around 500 and infront of the gates you protect there is like 70 AD. Also, the sole fact you think spriggan is any good against shield stackers shows that you don't PvP that much, at least since homestead patch.

Penetration is useless against shields. Not my invention, its game mechanics.

Viper's 3k took my enemies into execute range so many times, and spriggan is great against new players that stands in medium armor with little to none impen waiting to be killed. Add there new players that forget to cast their shields on time, and cheap ones that would rather die than use immovable pot. But guess what, you kill them with viper even faster.

I farmed my ass off for spriggan, have entire set in impen and divines, also all sharpened weapons but double maces. And I had enough time on my sDK to test it in PvP. And you know what - it sucks balls compared to Viper.

Oh, and its 4 seconds, not 6. 6 is for sheer venom.

I call it BS once again.

What does 500 ping have anything to do with this? You are Australian? What about people who aren't Australian and don't have to deal with your 500 ping, aka the majority of players? What kind of an argument is that? lol.

Oh, I don't "think", most good stam players I know have switched from viper to spriggan. Mechanically skilled players have switched from viper to spriggan. See sypher. See kodi. See Fengrush. And many others.

Do you even know what you are talking about? Penetration has nothing to do with impen. Impen mitigates crit, not penetration. Penetration is most effective against heavy armour, and in this meta, everyone is wearing heavy, that's why spriggan is strong. But as I said, there's a drawback: it is not effective as you are not mechanically skilled. As it increase your raw penetration, the more skilled you are, the more you get from spriggan. While viper is a fixed 3k damage every 4 seconds (yes, sorry, my bad), your skills don't matter here.

Viper is not much better against shield. Poison damage doesn't go though shield, or are you mistaken poison damage with undead damage?

Oh, and if you are less effective with spriggan, it's just that you are not skilled enough to take advantage of the penetration, aka you are being carried by proc. No hard feeling, I am being carried by proc too, just stating a fact.

glavius

Spriggan is 6-8% more dmg vs most targets. And no increase vs shields. I'm pretty sure viper will be more than that, even for a glass canon build. My current build has 16-19% of total dmg coming from viper procs.

Enslaved

Viper

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Nah it ain't a point of being good or bad. Its a point of being cancer or not

Viper = 3k damage every 6 seconds in PvP.
A skilled player with 1500 pen can pull a higher damage output than someone using viper, so spriggan is better in that case.
A bad player cannot, so viper is the way to go.

This is wrong on so many lvls.
A good player that want to deal with lot of bad players in quick succession will choose viper to do so. Spriggan is bullshiet against all shield stacking magicka classes - mSorc, mTemp, mNB, mDK. Shields make spriggan useless. On the other hand, viper and tumorscale will proc at once, and target is pretty much f* up. And guess what, few sec later, it will proc again.

This is wrong on so many lvls.

A good player (meaning, mechanically skilled, who can do a lot of animation cancelling etc) will simply pull a higher damage output than someone using viper, because they can perform a lot of attacks in a short amount of time. The more skilled you are, the more you get from spriggan.
Viper is a fixed 3k damage every 6 seconds. Your skills don't matter, it's a fixed 3k damage every 6 seconds.

Yes, Spriggan is "bullshiet" if the user is bad, in term of mechanical skills. In that case, Viper is the better option.

I call it a BS once again.

Let me see you AC while your ping is around 500 and infront of the gates you protect there is like 70 AD. Also, the sole fact you think spriggan is any good against shield stackers shows that you don't PvP that much, at least since homestead patch.

Penetration is useless against shields. Not my invention, its game mechanics.

Viper's 3k took my enemies into execute range so many times, and spriggan is great against new players that stands in medium armor with little to none impen waiting to be killed. Add there new players that forget to cast their shields on time, and cheap ones that would rather die than use immovable pot. But guess what, you kill them with viper even faster.

I farmed my ass off for spriggan, have entire set in impen and divines, also all sharpened weapons but double maces. And I had enough time on my sDK to test it in PvP. And you know what - it sucks balls compared to Viper.

Oh, and its 4 seconds, not 6. 6 is for sheer venom.

I call it BS once again.

What does 500 ping have anything to do with this? You are Australian? What about people who aren't Australian and don't have to deal with your 500 ping, aka the majority of players? What kind of an argument is that? lol.

Oh, I don't "think", most good stam players I know have switched from viper to spriggan. Mechanically skilled players have switched from viper to spriggan. See sypher. See kodi. See Fengrush. And many others.

Do you even know what you are talking about? Penetration has nothing to do with impen. Impen mitigates crit, not penetration. Penetration is most effective against heavy armour, and in this meta, everyone is wearing heavy, that's why spriggan is strong. But as I said, there's a drawback: it is not effective as you are not mechanically skilled. As it increase your raw penetration, the more skilled you are, the more you get from spriggan. While viper is a fixed 3k damage every 4 seconds (yes, sorry, my bad), your skills don't matter here.

Viper is not much better against shield. Poison damage doesn't go though shield, or are you mistaken poison damage with undead damage?

Oh, and if you are less effective with spriggan, it's just that you are not skilled enough to take advantage of the penetration, aka you are being carried by proc. No hard feeling, I am being carried by proc too, just stating a fact.

Test it than prove it. I did test it. And if you talk about pings like that... Clearly you don't PvP at all.
Also, I don't give a skeever's ass about how "skilled" you are. You are spreading misinformation here, something you clearly haven't tested at all. Remember, you are not fighting training dummies in Cyrodiil, ppl actually cast their shields, their heals and other defensive shiet. So do leave your house/guild dummy and test your claims in some real PvP. Seems like results will surprise you.