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The biggest Inconsistency in the upcomming Morrowind chapter

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Ahzek
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Greetings everyone.

With more and more information about the upcomming morrowind chapter being revealed by the minute, a terrible inconsitency in in game lore has been revealed.

We have been told that at the time ESO takes place Cliff racers have not yet evolved into flying creatures and are grounded beasts still.

files.elderscrollsonline.com/cms/2017/02/f87c7ffecaddaa8b0c3dd24b0f1d4dd2.jpg?_ga=1.114875591.199731692.1472065196

Then on the other hand there is the Warden skill "Screaming Cliff Racer" available in the PAX demo.

https://i.imgur.com/lQOcVf5.jpg

This skill not only specifically summons a cliff RACER, the animation also involves the beast to fly at the target at high speed (its not gliding).


And there we have our IMMERSION BREAK.
How can the warden summon a creature to help, if that type of creature doesnt even exist yet ?


Jo'Khaljor
  • Aliyavana
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    Ahzek wrote: »
    Greetings everyone.

    With more and more information about the upcomming morrowind chapter being revealed by the minute, a terrible inconsitency in in game lore has been revealed.

    We have been told that at the time ESO takes place Cliff racers have not yet evolved into flying creatures and are grounded beasts still.

    files.elderscrollsonline.com/cms/2017/02/f87c7ffecaddaa8b0c3dd24b0f1d4dd2.jpg?_ga=1.114875591.199731692.1472065196

    Then on the other hand there is the Warden skill "Screaming Cliff Racer" available in the PAX demo.

    https://i.imgur.com/lQOcVf5.jpg

    This skill not only specifically summons a cliff RACER, the animation also involves the beast to fly at the target at high speed (its not gliding).


    And there we have our IMMERSION BREAK.
    How can the warden summon a creature to help, if that type of creature doesnt even exist yet ?


    Cliff racers drove dragons out of vvardenfell if I remember correctly, which means they were around for a while
  • Barkel
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    Cliff racers do exist during the 2E. They can be seen flying over stonefalls and are passive. Perhaps the Vvardenfell Cliff striders have not yet adapted for flight, so the spirit animal from the warden ability is based off the mainland cliff racers.
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    aliyavana wrote: »
    Ahzek wrote: »
    Greetings everyone.

    With more and more information about the upcomming morrowind chapter being revealed by the minute, a terrible inconsitency in in game lore has been revealed.

    We have been told that at the time ESO takes place Cliff racers have not yet evolved into flying creatures and are grounded beasts still.

    files.elderscrollsonline.com/cms/2017/02/f87c7ffecaddaa8b0c3dd24b0f1d4dd2.jpg?_ga=1.114875591.199731692.1472065196

    Then on the other hand there is the Warden skill "Screaming Cliff Racer" available in the PAX demo.

    https://i.imgur.com/lQOcVf5.jpg

    This skill not only specifically summons a cliff RACER, the animation also involves the beast to fly at the target at high speed (its not gliding).


    And there we have our IMMERSION BREAK.
    How can the warden summon a creature to help, if that type of creature doesnt even exist yet ?


    Cliff racers drove dragons out of vvardenfell if I remember correctly, which means they were around for a while

    That's what I was wondering when I first read that: if the Cliff Racers on Vvardenfell didn't learn how to fly yet, how could they have displaced the local Dragon population? Dragons are way before this game's time period
    "We're all born under the same sky and on the same earth. Therefore, we all deserve the same amount of respect."
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  • KochDerDamonen
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    This one thinks old Zein'Marks did not have enough moonlight to work by while designing the poor grounded cliffracers, leaving them unable to fly higher than a hover. Those malformed creatures must walk on the ground in shame.


    Wait a second, I'm no khajiit...
    If you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].
  • JKorr
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    Ahzek wrote: »
    Greetings everyone.

    With more and more information about the upcomming morrowind chapter being revealed by the minute, a terrible inconsitency in in game lore has been revealed.

    We have been told that at the time ESO takes place Cliff racers have not yet evolved into flying creatures and are grounded beasts still.

    files.elderscrollsonline.com/cms/2017/02/f87c7ffecaddaa8b0c3dd24b0f1d4dd2.jpg?_ga=1.114875591.199731692.1472065196

    Then on the other hand there is the Warden skill "Screaming Cliff Racer" available in the PAX demo.

    https://i.imgur.com/lQOcVf5.jpg

    This skill not only specifically summons a cliff RACER, the animation also involves the beast to fly at the target at high speed (its not gliding).


    And there we have our IMMERSION BREAK.
    How can the warden summon a creature to help, if that type of creature doesnt even exist yet ?

    Those cliffracers in overhead in Stonefalls, with the annoying shrieks that still make me cringe are flying. That picture? It has wings; how well they work might be up for debate.

    I hope they don't go to the same extent as the original Morrowind. In more than one runthrough of that game I could find my way across the Ashlands by following the trails of cliffracer bodies.
  • Abeille
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    Where have we been told that Cliff Racers are flightless in ESO? I think I missed it. That image is of a Cliff Strider according to the Vvardenfell Flora and Fauna article. Cliff Racers and Cliff Striders certainly seem to have come from the same common ancestor but perhaps Cliff Strider isn't the ancestor of Cliff Racers and they exist at the same time.
    Edited by Abeille on March 12, 2017 7:09PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • MAEK
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    Abeille wrote: »
    Where have we been told that Cliff Racers are flightless in ESO? I think I missed it. That image is of a Cliff Strider according to the Vvardenfell Flora and Fauna article. Cliff Racers and Cliff Striders certainly seem to have come from the same common ancestors but perhaps they are not the same creature.

    I think it was in the article about differences about Morrowind and ESO:M. I believe they said that the Cliff Strider is an earlier version of the Cliff Racer.

    As to the warden skill, maybe the Cliff Striders can glide, and that's what the Cliff Racer/Strider is doing in the skill.
  • Abeille
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    MAEK wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    Where have we been told that Cliff Racers are flightless in ESO? I think I missed it. That image is of a Cliff Strider according to the Vvardenfell Flora and Fauna article. Cliff Racers and Cliff Striders certainly seem to have come from the same common ancestors but perhaps they are not the same creature.

    I think it was in the article about differences about Morrowind and ESO:M. I believe they said that the Cliff Strider is an earlier version of the Cliff Racer.

    As to the warden skill, maybe the Cliff Striders can glide, and that's what the Cliff Racer/Strider is doing in the skill.

    "ESO: MORROWIND – VVARDENFELL THEN AND NOW"? If so, Cliff Racers were not mentioned in any part of that article unless I'm completely blind. It only said Cliff Striders were not extinct yet in ESO's time. The article about Morrowind's Fauna and Flore doesn't mention them either.
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • MAEK
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    Abeille wrote: »
    MAEK wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    Where have we been told that Cliff Racers are flightless in ESO? I think I missed it. That image is of a Cliff Strider according to the Vvardenfell Flora and Fauna article. Cliff Racers and Cliff Striders certainly seem to have come from the same common ancestors but perhaps they are not the same creature.

    I think it was in the article about differences about Morrowind and ESO:M. I believe they said that the Cliff Strider is an earlier version of the Cliff Racer.

    As to the warden skill, maybe the Cliff Striders can glide, and that's what the Cliff Racer/Strider is doing in the skill.

    "ESO: MORROWIND – VVARDENFELL THEN AND NOW"? If so, Cliff Racers were not mentioned in any part of that article unless I'm completely blind. It only said Cliff Striders were not extinct yet in ESO's time. The article about Morrowind's Fauna and Flore doesn't mention them either.

    It doesn't? I'm gonna have to check then but I'm pretty sure they mentioned it somewhere.
  • Abeille
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    MAEK wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    MAEK wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    Where have we been told that Cliff Racers are flightless in ESO? I think I missed it. That image is of a Cliff Strider according to the Vvardenfell Flora and Fauna article. Cliff Racers and Cliff Striders certainly seem to have come from the same common ancestors but perhaps they are not the same creature.

    I think it was in the article about differences about Morrowind and ESO:M. I believe they said that the Cliff Strider is an earlier version of the Cliff Racer.

    As to the warden skill, maybe the Cliff Striders can glide, and that's what the Cliff Racer/Strider is doing in the skill.

    "ESO: MORROWIND – VVARDENFELL THEN AND NOW"? If so, Cliff Racers were not mentioned in any part of that article unless I'm completely blind. It only said Cliff Striders were not extinct yet in ESO's time. The article about Morrowind's Fauna and Flore doesn't mention them either.

    It doesn't? I'm gonna have to check then but I'm pretty sure they mentioned it somewhere.

    Yeah, this is all there is on that article about the animals of Vvardenfell:

    "This also means that the Ash Blight hasn't yet exterminated some of the island's more unique creatures, and you can now find Cliff Striders, Nix Oxen, and Vvardvarks in the wild. For additional detail on Vvardenfell's unique flora and fauna in ESO: Morrowind, check out this article."

    http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/03/09/eso-morrowind--vvardenfell-then-and-now

    Also, on this 2015 Article, it says that Cliff Racers can indeed fly.

    Bantam Guar, despite their name, classify as a part of the scuttler family and are not guar at all. Many have described them as "ugly chickens," as they have a distinctive body shape and behavior that remind many of the common bird. They retain the vestigial wings, and unlike their cliff racer and cliff darter cousins, they cannot fly. Southern Morrowind farmers raise them for their eggs and meat.

    So I would really like to know where does this information that they cannot fly come from. My guess is some post in some social media, I always miss those. Either way, if someone has to weight the two pieces of information, the canon one is certainly "Cliff Racers can fly in ESO" due to the overwhelming evidence on its favor.
    Edited by Abeille on March 12, 2017 7:49PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • zaria
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    Abeille wrote: »
    Where have we been told that Cliff Racers are flightless in ESO? I think I missed it. That image is of a Cliff Strider according to the Vvardenfell Flora and Fauna article. Cliff Racers and Cliff Striders certainly seem to have come from the same common ancestor but perhaps Cliff Strider isn't the ancestor of Cliff Racers and they exist at the same time.
    We have harpies and giant bats who are flying creatures, the harpies often come down to you.
    Nobody have complained about this, nobody would complain if cliff racers worked like them.
    The problem in Morrowind was that most players played melee only and the cliff racers agro player high up and pretty far away, player then had to wait until they come close to kill them, if he ran away or simply pulled by passing they would hit him in the back while fighting others.
    None of this applies for ESO.

    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • Abeille
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    zaria wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    Where have we been told that Cliff Racers are flightless in ESO? I think I missed it. That image is of a Cliff Strider according to the Vvardenfell Flora and Fauna article. Cliff Racers and Cliff Striders certainly seem to have come from the same common ancestor but perhaps Cliff Strider isn't the ancestor of Cliff Racers and they exist at the same time.
    We have harpies and giant bats who are flying creatures, the harpies often come down to you.
    Nobody have complained about this, nobody would complain if cliff racers worked like them.
    The problem in Morrowind was that most players played melee only and the cliff racers agro player high up and pretty far away, player then had to wait until they come close to kill them, if he ran away or simply pulled by passing they would hit him in the back while fighting others.
    None of this applies for ESO.

    Oh now I get it! So this is a gameplay discussion. As in, they do fly, but close to the ground like harpies and giant bats in game. My bad, I thought they were talking about lore x_x

    I still want a link to the information that the Cliff Racers "didn't evolve to fly yet", though.
    Edited by Abeille on March 12, 2017 8:41PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • altemriel
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    Ahzek wrote: »
    Greetings everyone.

    With more and more information about the upcomming morrowind chapter being revealed by the minute, a terrible inconsitency in in game lore has been revealed.

    We have been told that at the time ESO takes place Cliff racers have not yet evolved into flying creatures and are grounded beasts still.

    files.elderscrollsonline.com/cms/2017/02/f87c7ffecaddaa8b0c3dd24b0f1d4dd2.jpg?_ga=1.114875591.199731692.1472065196

    Then on the other hand there is the Warden skill "Screaming Cliff Racer" available in the PAX demo.

    https://i.imgur.com/lQOcVf5.jpg

    This skill not only specifically summons a cliff RACER, the animation also involves the beast to fly at the target at high speed (its not gliding).


    And there we have our IMMERSION BREAK.
    How can the warden summon a creature to help, if that type of creature doesnt even exist yet ?

    Ahzek wrote: »
    Greetings everyone.

    With more and more information about the upcomming morrowind chapter being revealed by the minute, a terrible inconsitency in in game lore has been revealed.

    We have been told that at the time ESO takes place Cliff racers have not yet evolved into flying creatures and are grounded beasts still.

    files.elderscrollsonline.com/cms/2017/02/f87c7ffecaddaa8b0c3dd24b0f1d4dd2.jpg?_ga=1.114875591.199731692.1472065196

    Then on the other hand there is the Warden skill "Screaming Cliff Racer" available in the PAX demo.

    https://i.imgur.com/lQOcVf5.jpg

    This skill not only specifically summons a cliff RACER, the animation also involves the beast to fly at the target at high speed (its not gliding).


    And there we have our IMMERSION BREAK.
    How can the warden summon a creature to help, if that type of creature doesnt even exist yet ?




    you know... :smiley:

    mgc.gif
  • MAEK
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    Abeille wrote: »
    zaria wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    Where have we been told that Cliff Racers are flightless in ESO? I think I missed it. That image is of a Cliff Strider according to the Vvardenfell Flora and Fauna article. Cliff Racers and Cliff Striders certainly seem to have come from the same common ancestor but perhaps Cliff Strider isn't the ancestor of Cliff Racers and they exist at the same time.
    We have harpies and giant bats who are flying creatures, the harpies often come down to you.
    Nobody have complained about this, nobody would complain if cliff racers worked like them.
    The problem in Morrowind was that most players played melee only and the cliff racers agro player high up and pretty far away, player then had to wait until they come close to kill them, if he ran away or simply pulled by passing they would hit him in the back while fighting others.
    None of this applies for ESO.

    Oh now I get it! So this is a gameplay discussion. My bad, I thought they were talking about lore x_x

    I still want a link to the information that the Cliff Racers "didn't evolve to fly yet", though.

    This is a lore discussion (I think at least). I remember them saying that the Cliff Striders are previous versions of Cliff Racers, but the info doesn't seem to exist anywhere.

    Maybe it is as you say and Cliff Striders aren't the unevolved form of Cliff Racers, which would seem kinda likely as there is that song about Cliff Racers (not Striders) and the bird like creatures that might be Cliff Racers (the passive ones that can be seen in Morrowind zones).

    This is starting to feel like a wild guar chase, but maybe they said it during the short tour of Vvardenfell. Guess I'm gonna have to go and check that out now...
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    Both Cliff Racers and Cliff Striders exist in the 2nd era. By the 3rd era, Cliff Striders go extinct and their flying cousins do not.

    There you go.
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  • Abeille
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    MAEK wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    zaria wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    Where have we been told that Cliff Racers are flightless in ESO? I think I missed it. That image is of a Cliff Strider according to the Vvardenfell Flora and Fauna article. Cliff Racers and Cliff Striders certainly seem to have come from the same common ancestor but perhaps Cliff Strider isn't the ancestor of Cliff Racers and they exist at the same time.
    We have harpies and giant bats who are flying creatures, the harpies often come down to you.
    Nobody have complained about this, nobody would complain if cliff racers worked like them.
    The problem in Morrowind was that most players played melee only and the cliff racers agro player high up and pretty far away, player then had to wait until they come close to kill them, if he ran away or simply pulled by passing they would hit him in the back while fighting others.
    None of this applies for ESO.

    Oh now I get it! So this is a gameplay discussion. My bad, I thought they were talking about lore x_x

    I still want a link to the information that the Cliff Racers "didn't evolve to fly yet", though.

    This is a lore discussion (I think at least). I remember them saying that the Cliff Striders are previous versions of Cliff Racers, but the info doesn't seem to exist anywhere.

    Maybe it is as you say and Cliff Striders aren't the unevolved form of Cliff Racers, which would seem kinda likely as there is that song about Cliff Racers (not Striders) and the bird like creatures that might be Cliff Racers (the passive ones that can be seen in Morrowind zones).

    This is starting to feel like a wild guar chase, but maybe they said it during the short tour of Vvardenfell. Guess I'm gonna have to go and check that out now...

    Even if Cliff Striders are ancestors of Cliff Racers, there must have been a period of time when both existed. Which is now, it seems.

    So, two possibilities. One, they came from the same ancestor, let's call it "Cliff Skipper" (lol). Cliff Skipper suffered several mutation and originated both Cliff Striders and Cliff Racers. Two, Cliff Striders are the ancestor, and after several mutations some individuals were born with the ability to fly and were called Cliff Racers instead, but Cliff Striders didn't encounter any threat that lead them to extinction for a long time because Cliff Racers and Cliff Striders ended up living in different places and not competing directly with one another.

    Look at me. I'm discussing evolution of a fictional animal in a land where entire populations (of Mer) change appearance overnight.
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • Acrolas
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    Lambert chuckles when I reminisce about cliff racers. “We didn’t want streams and streams of pterodactyls attacking people. We’ve changed them to cliff striders now.”
    https://www.pcgamesn.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited/the-elder-scrolls-online-morrowind-world-map

    Cliff racers haven't learned to fly freely yet; instead they're Cliff Striders, a bit more grounded.
    http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2017/02/22/more-eso-morrowind-info




    The Cliff Racer skill needs to be redone. Because it's magicka doing magic damage.

    Sure. And I'm going to punch you. For magic damage. Totally not physical.

    Change the skill line name to Creature Companions. Change cliff racer to wisp. Fixed.

    The wispmother already has wisps dive-bombing you. The animation is already in the game.
    signing off
  • MAEK
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    I can't find anything (cause my phone won't load the video), so I'm saying:

    First, there was the Cliff Skipper, but after a while they got tired of skipping and started to stride. Then they caught the atention of the Tribunal who decided it would be funnier if they could fly. Boom, Cliff Racers. Totally lore frienfly...
    Edited by MAEK on March 12, 2017 9:17PM
  • Abeille
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    Acrolas wrote: »
    Lambert chuckles when I reminisce about cliff racers. “We didn’t want streams and streams of pterodactyls attacking people. We’ve changed them to cliff striders now.”
    https://www.pcgamesn.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited/the-elder-scrolls-online-morrowind-world-map

    Cliff racers haven't learned to fly freely yet; instead they're Cliff Striders, a bit more grounded.
    http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2017/02/22/more-eso-morrowind-info

    Okay I see. This is being taken out of context and making it seem that they are saying Cliff Racers are flightless.

    Cliff Striders are the ones that we will be directly dealing with because of game mechanics. They didn't want this to be a thing again:
    tumblr_mqjlo3seBv1rs4x5ro1_400.gif

    It doesn't mean Cliff Racers can't fly, quite the opposite. Because Cliff Racers fly, we will be dealing with Cliff Striders, who are not really good at it, instead of dealing with Cliff Racers. The second phrase, the "Cliff racers haven't learned to fly freely yet; instead they're Cliff Striders, a bit more grounded." makes it seem that they are actually the same species, but Cliff Striders are younger Cliff Racers.

    Regardless, we know for a fact that Cliff Racers exist in the game and that they fly. There is nothing wrong with the Warden's skill.
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
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    Acrolas wrote: »
    Lambert chuckles when I reminisce about cliff racers. “We didn’t want streams and streams of pterodactyls attacking people. We’ve changed them to cliff striders now.”
    https://www.pcgamesn.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited/the-elder-scrolls-online-morrowind-world-map

    Cliff racers haven't learned to fly freely yet; instead they're Cliff Striders, a bit more grounded.
    http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2017/02/22/more-eso-morrowind-info
    I'm still not seeing it. The second part is a paraphrase, not a direct quote, and the quote from Lambert doesn't specify how and when the cliff racers came about.
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    @Abeille It was mentioned on the last ESO Live or the one before that, which featured Morrowind gameplay.
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    Zinaroth wrote: »
    @Abeille It was mentioned on the last ESO Live or the one before that, which featured Morrowind gameplay.

    I really don't think they meant what you think they meant. If they did, they are wrong. Ignore the information given on ESO live since it conflicts with every in-game information regarding them we have.

    The Warden skill is right. The information that Cliff Racers can't fly (which I still think isn't what they said and it is being taken out of context and misinterpreted) is wrong.

    What is in game takes precedence over anything said outside of the game, specially if said by someone who is not the lore-master.
    Edited by Abeille on March 12, 2017 9:48PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
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    PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    Acrolas wrote: »
    Lambert chuckles when I reminisce about cliff racers. “We didn’t want streams and streams of pterodactyls attacking people. We’ve changed them to cliff striders now.”
    https://www.pcgamesn.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited/the-elder-scrolls-online-morrowind-world-map

    Cliff racers haven't learned to fly freely yet; instead they're Cliff Striders, a bit more grounded.
    http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2017/02/22/more-eso-morrowind-info

    Okay I see. This is being taken out of context and making it seem that they are saying Cliff Racers are flightless.

    Cliff Striders are the ones that we will be directly dealing with because of game mechanics. They didn't want this to be a thing again:
    tumblr_mqjlo3seBv1rs4x5ro1_400.gif

    It doesn't mean Cliff Racers can't fly, quite the opposite. Because Cliff Racers fly, we will be dealing with Cliff Striders, who are not really good at it, instead of dealing with Cliff Racers. The second phrase, the "Cliff racers haven't learned to fly freely yet; instead they're Cliff Striders, a bit more grounded." makes it seem that they are actually the same species, but Cliff Striders are younger Cliff Racers.

    Regardless, we know for a fact that Cliff Racers exist in the game and that they fly. There is nothing wrong with the Warden's skill.
    That pic... farming Rubedo Scraps would've been so easy.

    @PelinalWhitestrake; you are responsible for my discovering the advertisement claim that my keyboard really is liquid resistant is true, darn you.
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    Even if they can't fly yet ... since it's a summon spell ... warden could be summoning one from the future?
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    Chronicburn wrote: »
    Even if they can't fly yet ... since it's a summon spell ... warden could be summoning one from the future?

    If it was a case of evolution, it would be interesting to see so much speciation within 700 years. I think what Abeille said is more correct:
    Abeille wrote: »

    It doesn't mean Cliff Racers can't fly, quite the opposite. Because Cliff Racers fly, we will be dealing with Cliff Striders, who are not really good at it, instead of dealing with Cliff Racers. The second phrase, the "Cliff racers haven't learned to fly freely yet; instead they're Cliff Striders, a bit more grounded." makes it seem that they are actually the same species, but Cliff Striders are younger Cliff Racers.

    Regardless, we know for a fact that Cliff Racers exist in the game and that they fly. There is nothing wrong with the Warden's skill.

    Needless to say, it is odd that most of the warden animal abilities are magicka damage
    Gan Xing - Crafting Nightblade
    Elrana Tinuviel - Hybrid Dragonknight
    Elentári Peregrine - Sorcerer "bank"
    Rán Xīng - Hybrid Templar
    Laurïsil Imlachwen - Stamina Templar
    Helotë Tinuviel - Hybrid/Magicka Warden
    Odin banker - obv banker
    Yan of the Red Mountain - lvl 3 DK - not sure when I will work on em

    Seeks the unusual and unique playstyles...
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    That picture of all the cliff racers chasing I wonder at the filmer recording that mod. Do they know their gif is as infamous as an overused meme? And to think we use something recorded from the future to talk about a world set in the past. Does that mean they have not been thru that experience? We should leave warnings for them! Maybe we could hire a mage committee to write in the stones around Tamriel and warn people of dangers to come.

    Who recorded that pic and who created the addon?
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    There were a few cliffracer mods for Morrowind. One added more of them; "ancient" ones that had magic/invisibility, cut the give-away screech until they attacked, and had undead versions as well. I can't remember who made it though.
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    If the Cliff Racers could scare of dragons, it only makes sense for the big bad in the Morrowind chapter to do some trickery to make them flightless.
    Edited by AtAfternoon on March 13, 2017 6:07PM
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    the warden class is responsible for bringing invasive animal species from the mainland to vvardenfell :(
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