Is this a bannable offence?

Vulture051

I have a question.
Is equipping a bow, going to a dolmen, pointing myself in the direction the boss spawns, holding the shoot/swing key down with a rubberband, and leaving it overnight considered automation/botting and therefore a bannable offense? No programs, just a common rubber band.

KochDerDamonen

If anything gets done at all, someone gets booted from the server (read: logged out)

Bans? They haven't even banned people who were using 3rd party programs to modify the game for longer than a couple days.

Kodrac

Yes, that's unattended play and against the ToS.

Cpt_Teemo

yes, your not physically at the computer and would be flagged for automated responses

theher0not

I think it might be. But I am not sure.


(I really hope doing that is a bannable offence)

Tyrobag

Its considered you being a lazy N'wah, so don't do it.

Turelus

Yes this is an offence which can get you banned. See official comment from Jessica below.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We know there have been a lot of questions recently about botting, automated play, what’s a Terms of Service Violation and what isn’t, and what we’re doing to combat TOS-violating behavior. We’d like to answer some of those questions and provide insight.

Per our Terms of Service, this is the definition of botting and automated play:

Utilizing automation for your character is a violation of our Terms of Service. This is defined as taking action on your character, without human input, to further advance your progress in the game. Which is considered botting.

Recently, some of you have asked if it’s okay to put tape or a rubber band on your controller. The short answer is “No.” Automating your character in any way, including placing tape or a rubber-band on a console controller, is considered a violation of our Terms of Service, and action may be taken on your account. You must be actively controlling your character.

In regards to our efforts to combat botting and automated play, we’re tackling it on two fronts: Game Development and Customer Support.

On the Game Development front, we are auditing the monsters that are most commonly targeted by those who bot and automate play to ensure the spawn timers are what they should be. As we find them, we’re fixing any monsters that are instantly re-spawning or on a spawn timer that is shorter than intended.

On the Customer Support side of things, our Terms of Service team suspends and bans accounts daily. We review all TOS reports that we receive, and prioritize the investigations of accounts that have received multiple complaints. We regularly send our Support Agents in-game to watch high-traffic areas such as Dolmens, and take action on any violators we identify. We turn over identified “black marketeers” and repeat offenders to Sony and Microsoft, which sometimes results in a ban of the individual’s PlayStation 4 or Xbox One. We also do other secret things.

So how can you help us with our efforts to get rid of those who are botting and/or automating their characters? Reporting them to us is a huge help, and we do review every ticket we receive.

<snip info on how to report>

We hope this info helps – thank you for being a part of our community and continuing to report any potential TOS violations you see!

Edit to snip out reporting information and bold important information in Jessica's post.

idk

Kodrac wrote: »

Yes, that's unattended play and against the ToS.

And common sense plays a role in this.

Vulture051

Blah. There's only so many times I can grind a guy to 50 without wanting to paint the wall with my brains.

Cpt_Teemo

If you have enough gold you can pay someone to PL you in Skyreach or find a guildy or friend to do it

SantieClaws

Khajiit she sees the scenario playing out like this.

Traveller points arrow at where boss will be. Traveller accidentally shoots many other unpleasant things accidentally first.

Traveller gets squished very quickly.

The End.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Now if you were to fall asleep in your chair holding the fire button down....

Elsonso

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Now if you were to fall asleep in your chair holding the fire button down....

... you would need to find a life. Quickly.

rotaugen454

This should be a "taken out behind the wood shed" offense.

Turelus

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Now if you were to fall asleep in your chair holding the fire button down....

I'm pretty sure hands relax when sleeping, not contract. At least I have never woken up with nail marks in my palms from balling fists all night.

Vulture051

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

If you have enough gold you can pay someone to PL you in Skyreach or find a guildy or friend to do it

Well know anyone selling trips to Skyreach and for how much?

Turelus

Vulture051 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

If you have enough gold you can pay someone to PL you in Skyreach or find a guildy or friend to do it

Well know anyone selling trips to Skyreach and for how much?

You can get a partner for free in zone chat, ask for a grind partner there. Don't pay someone to power level you.

Elsonso

Vulture051 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

If you have enough gold you can pay someone to PL you in Skyreach or find a guildy or friend to do it

Well know anyone selling trips to Skyreach and for how much?

Stay away from shady looking Khajiiti.

Vulture051

Turelus wrote: »

Vulture051 wrote: »

ask for a grind partner there.

Grindinghttps://youtu.be/zTSYCbNa6w8?t=6s


EDIT: To be a decent "grinding partner" I'd have to level my butt to at least maybe 30ish

cpuScientist

OK but what if he takes his computer to his nightstand and falls asleep at it? Now he is physically at his computer.

Or if he takes it to his hand so he fall asleep controller in HAND. Boom!!!

Cpt_Teemo

Still not doable, I doubt anyone can hold something that well in there sleep also multi tasking as well seems physically impossible

Waffennacht

How would anyone know for a fact on console? Not supporting it, but let's say you did it. Someone recorded you and reported you. What's the difference between the rubberband and literally being in another room holding down the button? How would they prove you wrong?

grannas211

How can they prove you are not physically holding down the button instead of tape? You could literally read a book, watch a movie, etc and still be "in control of your character."

Chilly-McFreeze

If you act like a rubberband... you shouldn't be surprised to be treated like a rubberband. Most people I know try to whisper said players. If they spam attacks for hours at empty dolmen and don't answer me, I take my chance and report them.

Dragonnord

However, you can use all type of 3rd party programs (add-ons) to craft for you, enchant for you, tell you where skyshards, lorebooks, etc. are, to tell you what items people got in trials and dungeons, to tell you what boss mechanics are happening and so to avoid this or that, etc., etc., etc.

Interesting...

Waffennacht

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

If you act like a rubberband... you shouldn't be surprised to be treated like a rubberband. Most people I know try to whisper said players. If they spam attacks for hours at empty dolmen and don't answer me, I take my chance and report them.

Which is fine, but who's to say (on console) that they are actually rubberbanding? If I got a message I personally would just say, yeah I was holding the button down, but had all means of communication cut off while I was paying attention to my phone or tv or something.

I can just see, because there is no actual program running, how difficult it would be for anyone to be punished. (For what OP was sayin)

Elsonso

CarbonX wrote: »

However, you can use all type of 3rd party programs (add-ons) to craft for you, enchant for you, tell you where skyshards, lorebooks, etc. are, to tell you what items people got in trials and dungeons, to tell you what boss mechanics are happening and so to avoid this or that, etc., etc., etc.

Interesting...

The add-ons that automate crafting for you are questionable. The "if the interface allows it, it must be OK" defense only goes so far.

Information add-ons regarding skyshards, lorebooks, resource nodes, etc, are not going to violate the ToS.

Cpt_Teemo

lordrichter wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

However, you can use all type of 3rd party programs (add-ons) to craft for you, enchant for you, tell you where skyshards, lorebooks, etc. are, to tell you what items people got in trials and dungeons, to tell you what boss mechanics are happening and so to avoid this or that, etc., etc., etc.

Interesting...

The add-ons that automate crafting for you are questionable. The "if the interface allows it, it must be OK" defense only goes so far.

Information add-ons regarding skyshards, lorebooks, resource nodes, etc, are not going to violate the ToS.

I believe you can get flagged in the red zone if you leave automated crafting mods on over night but other than that its safe I believe they said only for a short period of time every day probably doing writs and such

DerAlleinTiger

I think one of the most important points is being missed here.

Bow power attacks only 'fire' when you release the button. You could hold it down all day long, finger or rubberband, and you'll just be standing there like a doofus with the arrow drawn back, staring at the boss.

So... good luck with that plan!

runagate

Turelus wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Now if you were to fall asleep in your chair holding the fire button down....

I'm pretty sure hands relax when sleeping, not contract. At least I have never woken up with nail marks in my palms from balling fists all night.

You've obviously never had the dreams about @Vaoh that I do.

alexkdd99

Waffennacht wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

If you act like a rubberband... you shouldn't be surprised to be treated like a rubberband. Most people I know try to whisper said players. If they spam attacks for hours at empty dolmen and don't answer me, I take my chance and report them.

Which is fine, but who's to say (on console) that they are actually rubberbanding? If I got a message I personally would just say, yeah I was holding the button down, but had all means of communication cut off while I was paying attention to my phone or tv or something.

I can just see, because there is no actual program running, how difficult it would be for anyone to be punished. (For what OP was sayin)

Except one big thing people are not realizing, they don't have to prove anything. If it is suspected they can ban you and not worry about it. If you ever read the tos for pretty much any mmo you will see you can be banned for anything or nothing at all. While it's not likely you will be banned for nothing, they can if they want.