why you don't want children in this game

Kodrac

Coakknows wrote: »

Bethesda was strangely paranoid about players hurting 'children' - i.e. pixels on a screen - in their games.

You could commit all sorts of ghastly crimes but hurting unreal children was regarded as beyond the pale. You couldnt even discuss it on their forums.

I guess this hang-up exists here too. Maybe its an American thing?

I know I'd enjoy blasting some npc brats to oblivion.

Do you lack empathy by chance?

Dracindo

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit has an idea.

Why not have kittens - and yes children and little lizards too - as potential housing based NPCs?

Why no adoptable little Orsinium servants?

Nice idea though.

Coakknows

Kodrac wrote: »

Coakknows wrote: »

Bethesda was strangely paranoid about players hurting 'children' - i.e. pixels on a screen - in their games.

You could commit all sorts of ghastly crimes but hurting unreal children was regarded as beyond the pale. You couldnt even discuss it on their forums.

I guess this hang-up exists here too. Maybe its an American thing?

I know I'd enjoy blasting some npc brats to oblivion.

Do you lack empathy by chance?

Kodrac wrote: »

Coakknows wrote: »

Bethesda was strangely paranoid about players hurting 'children' - i.e. pixels on a screen - in their games.

You could commit all sorts of ghastly crimes but hurting unreal children was regarded as beyond the pale. You couldnt even discuss it on their forums.

I guess this hang-up exists here too. Maybe its an American thing?

I know I'd enjoy blasting some npc brats to oblivion.

Do you lack empathy by chance?

What? Npcs aren't real ya know.

Violynne

There are children in the game.

They're called "Nords".

Every single one of them has the mental capacity of a 6 year old.

Elsonso

Abeille wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

As a game world, all of the TES games share the same problem. Not enough children. Even Skyrim.

But, children require a lot of development effort. Child sized bodies. Child clothes. Child voices. Special animations, since they are doing things that adults might not do. Placement. Etc. If they are for more than just backdrop, then they have to make quests and special dialogs, along with anything else unique to interactions. Children could easily be a Chapter in the game. That is how big something like this could get.

Children also add social problems. The issue of players killing children has no compromise, so if they allow it, or don't, there will be a contingent that very strongly disapproves. Beyond that, you get into the issues of whether children should bear witness to crimes, or ignore them. The have to decide whether children should be in certain places, why they are there, and what their parents are thinking by letting them be there. All of these sorts of things have the potential for being contentious, possibly in a very large and noticeable way.

Frankly, as much as Tamriel, the game world, needs children, my thinking is that they should not add them to the game.

In this game in particular, it is not that complicated. The character creator, with the exception of the height slider, has the capabilities to make very young-looking female characters (and males for some races). They wouldn't have to make entire new models. And being the regular bodies but with a different scale, the same animations would be applied to them. Hildegard is already shorter than the shortest available height for Nord females btw.

Regarding voice acting, it is not different from hiring a new voice actor for a new character in a new DLC.

As for people whining because they can't kill children, they will get over it like in every MMO that has children.

They would also most likely be kept in cities only, except for the few of them that are supposed to be part of quests, but it wouldn't be different from adding a new quest. On the existing quests, it would be a matter of replacing one character model plus the voice over. There are only like three or four quests in need of that anyway. It would barely be a TG-sized addition, let alone a Chapter-sized one.

I'm not saying it is impossible to have children in the game , but it is not as simple as it sounds. It will cost money to do it. Potentially, lots of money to do it, because it includes developer time. If they are going to spend time and money to do it, which is time and money they are not spending on something else, they really have to make the best use of that money. That means that children really can't be just a set dressing. They have to make and use the children.

For me, the main reason to do a child body and clothing is that, when merely a scaled down adult, you have the same "resolution" as an adult body. You have the same number of polygons and vertices, they are just smaller and closer together. That is wasteful. A body optimized for a child's size offers some performance benefits, at the cost of having to deal with an entirely new set of meshes and textures.

Anyway, my feeling is that if all they did was scale down adults to be child sized, and just used the adult animations, the children would be "off" and would not seem to be children. They would seem to be midget adults, which they would be.

bstag

I think the players bring enough children to the game.

Gilvoth

i hated children in skyrim and i would hate them in eso as well.

purple-magicb16_ESO

Not to kill but perhaps give some stern dscipline? Then yes, I say bring on Braith. But not simply to add to the already annoying pet screeching ambiance.

HeroOfNone

I think there were kids in the game at some point, but then the Giant run daycare center raised up too many issues with the ratings people.

Honestly though what nord wouldn't want to send their kid to cradlecrush so they could have a night of drinking?

kewl

Argruna

Me: Le Gasp, I can adopt a child in Skyrim! *Adopts a kid and puts them in my home*
Kid: Thank you for adopting me!
Me: awwww
Kid: Can I have some spending money?
Me: OKAY. *gives one gold*
Kid: .....Stinchy ass fart.
Me:

Me: *Comes home after fighting dragons, draugr, vamp dogs all day.*
Kid: Welcome home Mama!
Me: Yeah, I'mma relax a bit so go ahead and do your chores.
Kid: I DON'T WANNA.
Me: .....DO THEM.

Fast forward to an entire month of this.
Me: Chores.
Kid: Do I have too?
Me: *exits game, installs killable children mod, come back*
Me: Yes. *pulls out axe* Yes you do.

And that was the last time I adopted kids and why Elder Scrolls Online should not have kids in game.

Elsonso

Seriously? One gold? You stingy ass fart!

Argruna

Hey! Mama needed that money for house mats! Kid could have easily done a shell racketeering scam and made a ton of gold. Their game was good, I mean, it got me to adopt them!

Rouven

Violynne wrote: »

There are children in the game.

They're called "Nords".

Every single one of them has the mental capacity of a 6 year old.

And the drinking capacity of 10 grown-ups.

Kids won't see me steal anything, they would be in bed already ... harr harr.

CapnPhoton

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Children? That sounds like some uncontrollable, annoying creature that screams its lungs out and throws tantrums.

Nope, no want that.

For me I am ok either way on the children npcs. Some would say that what you just wrote is a description of some of the people that post here.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

I don't want to see children in the game simply because of what the 'freaks' would do to them. Players are already doing some rather nasty stuff to each other (and their pets), no need to give them access to children.

MythicEmperor

Tryxus wrote: »

There's plenty of children in this game: they're all Vestiges

No, they are all Dovahkiin

Muramasa89

Abeille wrote: »

Right now, we have NPCs claiming other NPCs are children but you get to them and see that they look as old as their parents.

That's because regardless of how old you are, you are somebody's child.

child
noun
-a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.
"she'd been playing tennis since she was a child"
synonyms: youngster, young one, little one, boy, girl; More
-a son or daughter of any age.
"when children leave home, parents can feel somewhat redundant"

Acrolas

I found a child in a delve once.

Then I died.

MythicEmperor

Coakknows wrote: »

Bethesda was strangely paranoid about players hurting 'children' - i.e. pixels on a screen - in their games.

You could commit all sorts of ghastly crimes but hurting unreal children was regarded as beyond the pale. You couldnt even discuss it on their forums.

I guess this hang-up exists here too. Maybe its an American thing?

I know I'd enjoy blasting some npc brats to oblivion.

Strangely, the same goes for slavery on the ESO forums, even though there are slaves in the game. They also mentioned slaves several times in various updates about ESO: Morrowind, and even in a livestream of it, yet they close threads discussing it relative to the lore.

Bouldercleave

Because I dislike children IRL.

If I can't slaughter them like the leeches that they are, why even have them?

Hallothiel

I play this game to escape my mundane life, and so as I have children in real life, and deal with children through my work, I really appreciate NOT having to deal with them in ESO.

And ALL the children in Skyrim were annoying; but the ones in Whiterun especially so. (It may show my prejudice but the American accents didn't help)

So please, pretty please, pretty please with a cherry on top, for the love of god- NO.

Leogon

You want kids? Open the chat window.

Acrolas

Slaves and children aren't that different in this context. It's not an 'American' thing. It's a 'protecting people who do not have the capacity to fully defend or politically assert themselves' thing.

Even if they're just pixels. It's an extension of decency. There are pieces sprinkled around the game if you want to imagine or role-play. But if you want full on Baby Murder Arena Simulator, Kickstarter is that way.

KochDerDamonen

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Coakknows wrote: »

Bethesda was strangely paranoid about players hurting 'children' - i.e. pixels on a screen - in their games.

You could commit all sorts of ghastly crimes but hurting unreal children was regarded as beyond the pale. You couldnt even discuss it on their forums.

I guess this hang-up exists here too. Maybe its an American thing?

I know I'd enjoy blasting some npc brats to oblivion.

Strangely, the same goes for slavery on the ESO forums, even though there are slaves in the game. They also mentioned slaves several times in various updates about ESO: Morrowind, and even in a livestream of it, yet they close threads discussing it relative to the lore.

Actually they close threads that go something like "xd put the argonians back in chains, n'wahs"

Abeille

Muramasa89 wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Right now, we have NPCs claiming other NPCs are children but you get to them and see that they look as old as their parents.

That's because regardless of how old you are, you are somebody's child.

child
noun
-a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.
"she'd been playing tennis since she was a child"
synonyms: youngster, young one, little one, boy, girl; More
-a son or daughter of any age.
"when children leave home, parents can feel somewhat redundant"

English might not be my first language, but I know what child means, thank you.

It is not "he/she is my child", but "he/she is just a child" that I have a problem with. And while there are over-protective parents that can say that regardless of the age, in at least two of these quests the NPCs have personalities and facial structures (and their parents look like they were not old enough to have an adult child) that make me think that the objective of the developer who put them here was for them to look very young, and if the game had children, they would have been children.

And, of course, it would have made the game much more immersive if they were. See GW2. They are nothing special, they are just there, like cats and dogs, making the world more alive.

SydneyGrey

I would have loved the children in Skyrim if they hadn't all looked alike. It's like they were all brothers and sisters. All. Of. Them. And they were all human, and all white (Nords, I assume).

I'd like to see children once in a while in ESO in the towns, just because it's realistic, but only if they aren't all clones of each other.

MythicEmperor

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Coakknows wrote: »

Bethesda was strangely paranoid about players hurting 'children' - i.e. pixels on a screen - in their games.

You could commit all sorts of ghastly crimes but hurting unreal children was regarded as beyond the pale. You couldnt even discuss it on their forums.

I guess this hang-up exists here too. Maybe its an American thing?

I know I'd enjoy blasting some npc brats to oblivion.

Strangely, the same goes for slavery on the ESO forums, even though there are slaves in the game. They also mentioned slaves several times in various updates about ESO: Morrowind, and even in a livestream of it, yet they close threads discussing it relative to the lore.

Actually they close threads that go something like "xd put the argonians back in chains, n'wahs"

Argonian slaves have been confirmed for Morrowind, though

Maybe someone was listening

lagrue

Honestly - off the top of my head I've only played 2 games with children in them - and the children were by far one of the most annoying things.

Skyrim: As people already mentioned - I hate them because they're constantly begging for money, or making stupid comments.

Assassin's Creed 3: They were street performers in this game - but all they ever did was ask for money or make noises like "whoop, whoop, whoop" implying their doing tricks - meanwhile the character models were just standing there.

please just no kids, it's not necessary.

lagrue

Kodrac wrote: »

Coakknows wrote: »

Bethesda was strangely paranoid about players hurting 'children' - i.e. pixels on a screen - in their games.

You could commit all sorts of ghastly crimes but hurting unreal children was regarded as beyond the pale. You couldnt even discuss it on their forums.

I guess this hang-up exists here too. Maybe its an American thing?

I know I'd enjoy blasting some npc brats to oblivion.

Do you lack empathy by chance?

Question; why should a person be more empathetic towards dying (video game) kids than anything else dying in video games - or for that matter even in real life?

I've always wondered this. 200 years ago kids were treated like adults - and only as society has rolled more to pacifist whiny state, have children become the end all be all. It's always "think of the children" like they need to be on a pedestal.