Can we please get a class token option

xboxone1Q

We have all other tokens why not a class change token?

cdobratz

I feel like making Undaunted/AR/Achievements account bound is a better method than this.

xboxone1Q

cdobratz wrote: »

I feel like making Undaunted/AR/Achievements account bound is a better method than this.

If they made it a token it would be 5,000 or 10,000 for class change. I am fine with that.

Nerouyn

xboxone1Q wrote: »

If they made it a token it would be 5,000 or 10,000 for class change. I am fine with that.

That's not so fine if you have a bunch of nature themed characters prepared for spellcrafting and what lands instead is the warden class.

Your price would effectively make the Morrowind "chapter" cost an absolutely insane sum. Like even crazier than the elk mount or cavern!

Morgul667

Would be nice to have it as class balance can change.

But I guess it should not be usable on the first month of Morrowind or everybody would be level 50 warden in 30secs of game...

Nerouyn

Morgul667 wrote: »

Would be nice to have it as class balance can change.

Actually I suspect that's the main reason they're not offered.

If people pay to change class then the class changes significantly - which does happen - have they been cheated? Legally speaking.

I don't think anyone knows the answer to that question because there's no comparable situation. When buying real things, real things don't substantially and without warning change. But some digital things, eg. classes, do.

Morgul667 wrote: »

But I guess it should not be usable on the first month of Morrowind or everybody would be level 50 warden in 30secs of game...

Oh please. Anyone can do 0 to 50 in under a day and with minimal effort on a dolmen train. What we can't do is the 6 month horse feeding or trait research grind, etc. etc.

And this is why I haven't bought Morrowind yet and might never. I'm not deleting characters who were made in expectation of the long-promised spellcrafting (including nature themed spells) if there's no free class change to warden for them.

TheShadowScout

The last info I had on that is they stated they may still be considering alliance change, but have no plans for class change, ever.

But they have changed their mind in the past, so... who knows?

It certainly -would- make sense with the upcoming addition of a new class... and all other concerns can be adressed by fine-tuning the price. Maybe not 5000 crowns (unless they also throw in a race and namechange), but... 3000 would sound reasonable to me - high enough that it won't be done casually, low enough that it woun't be out of reach either...

And as long as they don't just copy over your progress, it would not be that much of an issue either - if you have to newly rack up all the class skill lines, max and morph your new class skills... its enough of an hassle to keep people at it for a while instead of just switching to the most effective combination right away, which is the main argument I seen against it in other discussions...

Nerouyn

TheShadowScout wrote: »

The last info I had on that is they stated they may still be considering alliance change, but have no plans for class change, ever.

But they have changed their mind in the past, so... who knows?

Yeah the "no plans for" euphemism just means it won't be put into the game tomorrow.

They could have firmly decided to implement something like this but not have planned specifically how to do it, and would technically not be lying by saying "they have no plans to do it".

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Maybe not 5000 crowns (unless they also throw in a race and namechange), but... 3000 would sound reasonable to me - high enough that it won't be done casually, low enough that it woun't be out of reach either...

Even at 3000 crowns and those bought while on discount, that would effectively triple the cost of the Morrowind for me.

DHale

I have twelve level 50 toons, just level one. I hope they never have such crap.

xboxone1Q

DHale wrote: »

I have twelve level 50 toons, just level one. I hope they never have such crap.

No one got time for that when I put 3 years into my 1 guy that is a Templar. I don't like eso that much to make 12 guys. This game is not skyrim.

Nerouyn

DHale wrote: »

I have twelve level 50 toons, just level one. I hope they never have such crap.

I levelled 11 toons to 50 in a little over a week during one of the double xp holidays. Levels are nothing.

It's all the other character bound stuff which is the problem.

Horse feeding and researching traits takes 6 months. Bag upgrades, motifs, achievements cost a *** ton of gold. Or worse, cost real money and can't be bought again because they were a limited time crown store offering.

Abeille

Nerouyn wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

I have twelve level 50 toons, just level one. I hope they never have such crap.

I levelled 11 toons to 50 in a little over a week during one of the double xp holidays. Levels are nothing.

It's all the other character bound stuff which is the problem.

Horse feeding and researching traits takes 6 months. Bag upgrades, motifs, achievements cost a *** ton of gold. Or worse, cost real money and can't be bought again because they were a limited time crown store offering.

Thank you. A lot of people seem to think the road to lvl 50 is something relevant at all, when it is nothing.

ookami007

Nerouyn wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Would be nice to have it as class balance can change.

Actually I suspect that's the main reason they're not offered.

If people pay to change class then the class changes significantly - which does happen - have they been cheated? Legally speaking.

I don't think anyone knows the answer to that question because there's no comparable situation. When buying real things, real things don't substantially and without warning change. But some digital things, eg. classes, do.

Morgul667 wrote: »

But I guess it should not be usable on the first month of Morrowind or everybody would be level 50 warden in 30secs of game...

Oh please. Anyone can do 0 to 50 in under a day and with minimal effort on a dolmen train. What we can't do is the 6 month horse feeding or trait research grind, etc. etc.

And this is why I haven't bought Morrowind yet and might never. I'm not deleting characters who were made in expectation of the long-promised spellcrafting (including nature themed spells) if there's no free class change to warden for them.

To eliminate "cheating" you can have the class token only work on a class you've leveled to 50. So no changing class to a Warden right away.

Abeille

ookami007 wrote: »

Nerouyn wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Would be nice to have it as class balance can change.

Actually I suspect that's the main reason they're not offered.

If people pay to change class then the class changes significantly - which does happen - have they been cheated? Legally speaking.

I don't think anyone knows the answer to that question because there's no comparable situation. When buying real things, real things don't substantially and without warning change. But some digital things, eg. classes, do.

Morgul667 wrote: »

But I guess it should not be usable on the first month of Morrowind or everybody would be level 50 warden in 30secs of game...

Oh please. Anyone can do 0 to 50 in under a day and with minimal effort on a dolmen train. What we can't do is the 6 month horse feeding or trait research grind, etc. etc.

And this is why I haven't bought Morrowind yet and might never. I'm not deleting characters who were made in expectation of the long-promised spellcrafting (including nature themed spells) if there's no free class change to warden for them.

To eliminate "cheating" you can have the class token only work on a class you've leveled to 50. So no changing class to a Warden right away.

I wouldn't mind that. I would have to buy a new slot but at least I wouldn't be unable to make my Orc into one. Rerolling her isn't really an option.

Although really, leveling to 50 takes a lazy evening of grinding. It is so insignificant that I can't understand how anyone can think it means anything at all. A "changed" Warden that has to level their class skills but are already lvl 50 isn't in any way worse than a "leveled" Warden that grinded to 50 in an evening of grinding.

Eirikir

I really want this. Like others have said leveling to 50 isn't hard but I'm a 9+ trated crafter on Blacksmith on my main with Vigor and a maxed horse.

Lv 50 is nothing, all that other stuff I just don't have the time to roll a new toon.

TheShadowScout

Agreed, levels mean little, its the other stuff that comes with a character...

In that spirit, I would not mind one bit if any "class change" option they mioght someday consider introducing were to set your level back to 1, and reset all quests, and dropped your character back into the wailing prison, with all their old inventory content in an "cannot open until level 50" container.

Redoing all the levelling is a small thing, and would actually be better if you changed into a class you hadn't played before (warden or any other class they might add at some point in the future), so you would learn how to drive that class... and even redoing all of cadwells and such is not that big a deal if you really focus on it...
As long as it preserved your character looks (which are sometimes difficult to recreate due to lack of any functions or even numbers to help us there - some people really, really like the result they got by chance and might hate to loose it) and especially all the crafting and riding training efforts we put in the game...

Nerouyn

Abeille wrote: »

Thank you. A lot of people seem to think the road to lvl 50 is something relevant at all, when it is nothing.

Honestly I don't think they do. It's classic straw man.

I was actually thinking of you when I included crown store motifs. I don't have any of those myself but remembered reading you saying you have that problem. It's crazy those things aren't account wide.

In fact if motifs, traits, horse feeding and achievements were account wide, that would solve 99% of this problem. All but the potential for losing your character's name to someone else between deleting and recreating them.

ookami007 wrote: »

To eliminate "cheating" you can have the class token only work on a class you've leveled to 50. So no changing class to a Warden right away.

Huh?

Nerouyn wrote: »

If people pay to change class then the class changes significantly - which does happen - have they been cheated? Legally speaking.

Paid class change is potentially problematic with a developer unpredictably swinging the nerf bat and selectively making things in some classes OP. If a player buys a class change to escape nerfs and move to OP'ness, then ZO swings the bat again hitting their new class, arguably that player has been cheated. Financially cheated in the legal sense.

Restricting class change to level 50 characters wouldn't change that.

cmetzger93

Why wouldn't they? They make money and it's not like it hurts anyone else's experience in the game. It would be a good way to get classes more balanced so that we don't see 10000 nightblades to every 1 dragonKnight. I know im gonna get a lot of crap for this but I wish they would do away with classes and just focus on balancing skill lines.

So you could for example pick one skill line for each class up to three. Like one nightblade skill line and two Templar skill lines and so on.

xboxone1Q

cmetzger93 wrote: »

Why wouldn't they? They make money and it's not like it hurts anyone else's experience in the game. It would be a good way to get classes more balanced so that we don't see 10000 nightblades to every 1 dragonKnight. I know im gonna get a lot of crap for this but I wish they would do away with classes and just focus on balancing skill lines.

So you could for example pick one skill line for each class up to three. Like one nightblade skill line and two Templar skill lines and so on.

Yep they need a token, why do we have black empty boxes in those areas? ZOS needs to fill ALL boxes up in crown store.

Aelthwyn

I really hope they will do this! Sometimes after playing with a character for a while you realize a different class just makes more sense for them, but with crafting research, motifs, horses, etc. as mentioned re-creating them really isn't a good option. Especially with the new Warden class coming up it would be really nice to have the option to switch to that new class without having to start from scratch. It makes sense to have to level all the skills yourself though of course.

grannas211

I'm never opposed to new options. I however would rather have an alliance change first. My first couple couple characters are opposite of my pvp guild but there is so much time invested in them, i dont want to recreate them(yes I know I could remake them, but I'd rather not. One is a master angler for instance.)

Kidz_BeAstx

cdobratz wrote: »

I feel like making Undaunted/AR/Achievements account bound is a better method than this.

I agree...

Stopnaggin

xboxone1Q wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

I have twelve level 50 toons, just level one. I hope they never have such crap.

No one got time for that when I put 3 years into my 1 guy that is a Templar. I don't like eso that much to make 12 guys. This game is not skyrim.

So you made 1 toon, all of a sudden that's reason for a class change? If you don't like eso that much why spend the extra to get Morrowind? No on class change but yes to free extra slot. Actually I don't really care if they offer a change token, I will level a new toon like I have with other classes.

White wabbit

Really hope this doesn't happen there really is no need for this