Having some problems with sorc pets..

Tapio75

Heya

I have been complaining about these pesky daedras before, no good taunt on clannfear, no reliable control, no unsummon command.. Anyway, after last patch...

I have noticed, that my winged twilight/Dwilight matriarch and unstable clannfear "Die" or are unsummoned randomly on occasion.. Winged twilight also seems to get one shotted quite a bit by normal trash enemies around the world..

To add to that, Clannfear seems to take even longer to taunt than before, resulting enemies going after Twilight matriarch/winged twilight, resuöting to its dead.. I hope these are not "Improvments" to pet system in preparation for Warden =^.^=


Anyway, anyone else having these issues?

Nestor

My Twilights pretty much died every fight, I quit summoning them and slotted a useful skill, it has always been this way.

My Clanfear on the other hand pre homestead patch was tougher than I remember it being.

The Unsummon thing has been around since a few patches ago that "improved" the pets. I never could figure out a way to unsummon them, so I did it with a Bar Swap. The old way of unsummoning went away as that is how we get the special skill from the pet to fire. On the PC we have a Y key to send them into battle I don't think the consoles have that, which sucks for that platform. As the Y key makes them useful.

However, it could something else that is stopping the Clanfear from doing its job. Same thing as what stops some skills from firing, terrain and line of site, the latter being the biggest factor. Your Pet has to have line of site to the mob, trailing along behind you, it may not "see" the mobs you are attacking. Does not matter if your character has line of site, and certainly does not matter if you the player have line of site, even to seeing the pet and the mob on the same screen. The pet has to be able to see the mob to go forward and engage. Which is why the Y key is so useful. But in caves and tight areas, my clanfear would be farting around sniffing the flowers and poking his nose into containers while I fought.

Uriel_Nocturne

The current way to Unsummon your pets is to go into the "Character" menu, scroll down to "Active Effects". Your Pets will show up there as active effects. Choose the option to "End Effect" and it will unsummon the pet(s) in question.

Hope that helps.

Nestor

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

The current way to Unsummon your pets is to go into the "Character" menu, scroll down to "Active Effects". Your Pets will show up there as active effects. Choose the option to "End Effect" and it will unsummon the pet(s) in question.

Hope that helps.

Which is why I do it as a Bar Swap........

When I said I could never figure out a way, I meant a way that made sense to me as I as running around. We should at least be able to key bind it on the PC

Nestor

nvm, double post

Uriel_Nocturne

Nestor wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

The current way to Unsummon your pets is to go into the "Character" menu, scroll down to "Active Effects". Your Pets will show up there as active effects. Choose the option to "End Effect" and it will unsummon the pet(s) in question.

Hope that helps.

Which is why I do it as a Bar Swap........

I understand.

That would work for me as well, but due to my build, I have a Clannfear (my only Pet that I use) on both bars... >.>

So I have to use the Menu method.

Although I do like the Pets both now having an "activate when needed" Heal option rather than the old "Proc Method". That has helped my Pet's survivability by leaps and bounds. But they still could have thought of a better button/KB combo to allow for faster unsummoning...

Tapio75

@Nestor You have a way with words, some amusingly put phares there that made me smile, especially the "Clannfear sniffing flowers" part. My Clannfear loves flovers too.

There should be a way to unsummon them again? like pressing "Command pet" and some other button perphaps? Things i knew is that Y+Left mouse is attack and Y+right SHOULD recall them but the recall seems not to work for me.

I also seem to able to summon them pesky pets inside walls now, i often tell my clannfear that if she is not stopping the flower sniffing and help me, i shall summon her inside a wall next time >:>

One reason for my Winged twilight on lower level sorc to unsummon seems to be activation of "Power overload". When i activate it, the winged twilight seems to go away.. There is nothing in tooltips about this but is this something that should happen?

cabbageub17_ESO

You should be able to bind an unsummon hot key. Surely there's a addon that can do it. Pets should probably auto-unsummon in cities.

Still annoying that your pet has to be on both bars. If you use 2nd bar as your unsummon command then you are basically limiting yourself in active situations to that one bar.

zaria

Nestor wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

The current way to Unsummon your pets is to go into the "Character" menu, scroll down to "Active Effects". Your Pets will show up there as active effects. Choose the option to "End Effect" and it will unsummon the pet(s) in question.

Hope that helps.

Which is why I do it as a Bar Swap........

When I said I could never figure out a way, I meant a way that made sense to me as I as running around. We should at least be able to key bind it on the PC

Nice to have it on both bars then you use both all the time.
Thanks for the tips of killing it under active effects.

Consoles will get an update where it will go after target you do heavy attack on.
You want to have it on boss so do an heavy attack on it to direct.

Uriel_Nocturne

No problem.

Nestor

Overload is supposed to give you a Third Bar, but I could never figure that out. Do you engage overload to get the third bar in order to slot skills on it? I also don't use overload as it seems to always get me killed, but that could be more me not understanding it, like how to turn the darn thing off and do I only use Light or Heavy Attacks or do I also use Skills? Which goes back to the third bar thing again, does it just copy the bar you have when you fire the ultimate. See, the questions go on and on..

So, maybe try engaging overload, then see if you get a mostly empty bar, if so, then slot the pets a third time.

Or, wait until someone who uses Overload and has figured out this mystical and mysterious third bar to explain how to do it.

Tapio75

@Nestor

Yes, i noticed that the action bar changes when activating power overload, this was why my winged twwilight seems to die so muc, it actually got unsummoned so one could use power overload to unsummon pets as well.

Anyway, if you want to change skills on the power overload action bar, you need to do it when power overload is activated much like you do with werewolf action bar. Only difference being that you dont need to hurry as power overload will stay on as loang as you have ultimate left to use it and if you dont use attacks while power overload is active, it will stay on indefinirtely, at least as far as i know.

So activate power overload, go to skills window and arrange the action bar as you wish.

PS: I find the light attacks more useful on power overload than heavy attacks,.

rotaugen454

Yep, you have to trigger Overload to put skills in the bar. Don't worry, you don't lose any ultimate just turning it on.

zaria

Nestor wrote: »

Overload is supposed to give you a Third Bar, but I could never figure that out. Do you engage overload to get the third bar in order to slot skills on it? I also don't use overload as it seems to always get me killed, but that could be more me not understanding it, like how to turn the darn thing off and do I only use Light or Heavy Attacks or do I also use Skills? Which goes back to the third bar thing again, does it just copy the bar you have when you fire the ultimate. See, the questions go on and on..

So, maybe try engaging overload, then see if you get a mostly empty bar, if so, then slot the pets a third time.

Or, wait until someone who uses Overload and has figured out this mystical and mysterious third bar to explain how to do it.

Activate overload, go to skill menu, you can now replace skills on the overloaded bar.
Bar will restore then you turn off overload and you can get it back using overload again.
A bit clunky but nice for various buffs or utils, you could put streak on it as an example without taking up an active bar.

Default is the same bar as the bar overload is slotted on so if you put something in place of pet it will disappear on overload.
If soloing an world boss this is bad

As overload is nice to use then low on magic, it can be nice to slot dark conversion / deal here too.

Tapio75

It also seems to be, that if you put a destro staff ability to power overload action bar and activate it while power overload is active, the power overload automatically deactivates and revers back to normal heavy and light attacks.

I dont know about other weapons but this seems to happen with lightning staff at least.

zaria

Tapio75 wrote: »

@Nestor

Yes, i noticed that the action bar changes when activating power overload, this was why my winged twwilight seems to die so muc, it actually got unsummoned so one could use power overload to unsummon pets as well.

Anyway, if you want to change skills on the power overload action bar, you need to do it when power overload is activated much like you do with werewolf action bar. Only difference being that you dont need to hurry as power overload will stay on as loang as you have ultimate left to use it and if you dont use attacks while power overload is active, it will stay on indefinirtely, at least as far as i know.

So activate power overload, go to skills window and arrange the action bar as you wish.

PS: I find the light attacks more useful on power overload than heavy attacks,.

Has to test it, mostly uses heavy attack for the magic regen.

dem0n1k

I have only just made a pet build for my Sorcerer & I find that often the volatile familiar gets stuck on things & sits there doing nothing in fights. I was testing the build by soloing City of Ash & in 2 of the boss fights the volatile familiar sat on a rock & would not attack. I could trigger his special AOE attack but it wouldn't come into range so it did nothing. In another boss fight the winged twilight sat on the steps leading to the boss platform & didn't attack the boss. I could trigger my heal from it but it didn't do any damage to the boss.

Tapio75

@zaria
I think its the other morph that regens magicka. I took power overload with added damage and larger heavy attack cone since i dont seem to have magicka issues. Heavy attacks seem to keep me well "Resourced" most of the time.

But i really like shooting those lightning bolts which come from light attacks.

Muramasa89

cabbageub17_ESO wrote: »

You should be able to bind an unsummon hot key. Surely there's a addon that can do it.

Indeed there is. "PetDismiss".

Tapio75

Muramasa89 wrote: »

cabbageub17_ESO wrote: »

You should be able to bind an unsummon hot key. Surely there's a addon that can do it.

Indeed there is. "PetDismiss".

Thanks

Its off topic but someone said, that there is an addon to turn off that "Block" icon in front of you as well as extra visuals from CP passives. Do you happen to know anything about these?

zaria

Tapio75 wrote: »

@zaria
I think its the other morph that regens magicka. I took power overload with added damage and larger heavy attack cone since i dont seem to have magicka issues. Heavy attacks seem to keep me well "Resourced" most of the time.

But i really like shooting those lightning bolts which come from light attacks.

Heavy attacks also regenerate, so doing it while overload make sense, not sure if true.
However this one like the lightning.

zaria

Muramasa89 wrote: »

cabbageub17_ESO wrote: »

You should be able to bind an unsummon hot key. Surely there's a addon that can do it.

Indeed there is. "PetDismiss".

Is it one who show if crystal shards has proced? Not stendar who is information over-orverload in combat. something who light up the icon or similar.

Muramasa89

Tapio75 wrote: »

Do you happen to know anything about these?

Unfortunately I do not personally.

zaria wrote: »

Is it one who show if crystal shards has proced? Not stendar who is information over-orverload in combat. something who light up the icon or similar.

S'rendarr shows two kinds of proc; one with the aura display that will count down the seconds until it expires and it also shows a visual on the ability bar (it'll light up). Perhaps you can turn one off and not the other. As for your initial question, PetDismiss only allows you to assign a keybind for your pets.

zaria

Muramasa89 wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

Do you happen to know anything about these?

Unfortunately I do not personally.

zaria wrote: »

Is it one who show if crystal shards has proced? Not stendar who is information over-orverload in combat. something who light up the icon or similar.

S'rendarr shows two kinds of proc; one with the aura display that will count down the seconds until it expires and it also shows a visual on the ability bar (it'll light up). Perhaps you can turn one off and not the other. As for your initial question, PetDismiss only allows you to assign a keybind for your pets.

Thanks, I have to check it out, played with the settings but did not find this.
Used a week finding combat metrics log so its natural

Dismiss pet has one nice use, nice to travel with pet as pet tend to tank mops letting you ride on.
Downside is that it sometimes get stuck fighting them while you want it tanking an boss, simply re-casting the spell don't always work