The double AP Cyrodil event....

USTTech

What are people's thoughts to have periodic double AP events that run for a week. Say maybe once every couple months?

Stovahkiin

I really didn't like the event. It's basically just a slap in the face to all the people that have spent significant amounts of time grinding AP before the event.

Number_51

Really seemed to show who's using CP as a crutch I thought.

Edit: I suppose that's not really fair. It's not everyone, maybe not even a majority. Builds would probably be very different if the player knew going in that CP wouldn't help.

IcyDeadPeople

USTTech wrote: »

What are people's thoughts to have periodic double AP events that run for a week. Say maybe once every couple months?

At one time we had tons more people in PVP - 10 campaigns and there were fun battles all over the map 24/7, even weeknights. And the population caps were much higher back then.

Currently we have only one busy campaign (Trueflame), and even this one is dead sometimes late at night. We have a serious problem with not enough people participating in PVP. It seems to be only a few hundred of us most nights, compared to tens of thousands or more in PVE.

During the double AP weekend we had lots of fun battles again all night long. I hope some of the people who tried it and normally don't participate in PVP stick around.

More Double AP weekends from time to time would help get more people in Cyrodiil. There are lots of players who only started PVP'ing to get some skill like vigor, had fun and never left.
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Riga_Mortis

I pvp'd the first day of double ap and didnt go back to cyrodiil until the event finished. Coordinated resource flipping is not my thing so I stayed away from pvp till it was over.

amasuriel

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

USTTech wrote: »

What are people's thoughts to have periodic double AP events that run for a week. Say maybe once every couple months?

At one time we had tons more people in PVP - 10 campaigns and there were fun battles all over the map 24/7, even weeknights. And the population caps were much higher back then.

Currently we have only one busy campaign (Trueflame), and even this one is dead sometimes late at night. We have a serious problem with not enough people participating in PVP. It seems to be only a few hundred of us most nights, compared to tens of thousands or more in PVE.

During the double AP weekend we had lots of fun battles again all night long. I hope some of the people who tried it and normally don't participate in PVP stick around.

More Double AP weekends from time to time would help get more people in Cyrodiil. There are lots of players who only started PVP'ing to get some skill like vigor, had fun and never left.
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I hadn't pvped since before IC dropped, and was shocked how small the populations are on those servers. Pop locked server, there was only 2 major groups per alliance, and those were 12 people actually online, not 20.

I don't think double AP would really change much though. I don't pvp because resource flipping I find quite dull, like farming dolmens or grinding skyreach, and most small group pvp was just about fast ganking to avoid getting rolled by the zerg from what I saw, which is also boring to me.

I play ESO to be entertained, and PvE, for all it's flaws, I'm almost always DOING something. PvP was a lot or riding and waiting, with brief (usually 10 second or less) combats. Until the ratio of action vs riding simulator is different, I will only PvP to unlock skills, and I think a lot of people have similar complaints.

IcyDeadPeople

amasuriel wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

USTTech wrote: »

What are people's thoughts to have periodic double AP events that run for a week. Say maybe once every couple months?

At one time we had tons more people in PVP - 10 campaigns and there were fun battles all over the map 24/7, even weeknights. And the population caps were much higher back then.

Currently we have only one busy campaign (Trueflame), and even this one is dead sometimes late at night. We have a serious problem with not enough people participating in PVP. It seems to be only a few hundred of us most nights, compared to tens of thousands or more in PVE.

During the double AP weekend we had lots of fun battles again all night long. I hope some of the people who tried it and normally don't participate in PVP stick around.

More Double AP weekends from time to time would help get more people in Cyrodiil. There are lots of players who only started PVP'ing to get some skill like vigor, had fun and never left.
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I hadn't pvped since before IC dropped, and was shocked how small the populations are on those servers. Pop locked server, there was only 2 major groups per alliance, and those were 12 people actually online, not 20.

I don't think double AP would really change much though. I don't pvp because resource flipping I find quite dull, like farming dolmens or grinding skyreach, and most small group pvp was just about fast ganking to avoid getting rolled by the zerg from what I saw, which is also boring to me.

I play ESO to be entertained, and PvE, for all it's flaws, I'm almost always DOING something. PvP was a lot or riding and waiting, with brief (usually 10 second or less) combats. Until the ratio of action vs riding simulator is different, I will only PvP to unlock skills, and I think a lot of people have similar complaints.

Interested to know what is exactly the experience you are looking for? You mentioned you don't like having to ride your horse a long distance. Was it a problem with forward camps respawn timer being too slow?

I understand there were some on EU server continually flipping outpost or something, but fortunately this didn't seem to be an issue on NA PC. Somehow, however, unless we get more of you PVE'rs back into Cyrodiil, the population will never grow back. How do we make this happen?

I know a lot of people quit PVP very soon after launch because they felt railroaded into playing light armor magicka build when they wanted to try stamina or different sort of play style. And about 6 months later or so (some time during the first year), I suspect many more quit after some guilds began farming a lot with a kind of zerg ball group strategy.
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zaria

Stovahkiin wrote: »

I really didn't like the event. It's basically just a slap in the face to all the people that have spent significant amounts of time grinding AP before the event.

Its however the same as you would get on two weeks before
All the PvE players switching resources is another issue.

Gedalya

USTTech wrote: »

What are people's thoughts to have periodic double AP events that run for a week. Say maybe once every couple months?

I like that they did it; I really enjoyed it. However I'm on the fence as to if this should be a regular thing; I know they said they were doing this related to testing but doing this too often alters PvP.

mb10

Riga_Mortis wrote: »

I pvp'd the first day of double ap and didnt go back to cyrodiil until the event finished. Coordinated resource flipping is not my thing so I stayed away from pvp till it was over.

Not sure what server of PS4 you're on but if youre claiming to be EU, I can confirm that youre lying. There was nothing co-ordinated at all :S I played throughout the event competitively with the "main" AD guild and there was nothing at all like that organised.

KingKush

Stovahkiin wrote: »

I really didn't like the event. It's basically just a slap in the face to all the people that have spent significant amounts of time grinding AP before the event.

I see this logic used all the time in events like this and its baffling to me.

That logic could literally be applied to anything. 2x exp, crown sales, holiday events.

That logic is extremely selfish imo. It's not like the same players that spent "significant" amounts of time grinding AP were exempt from the event. THAT would be a real slap in the face.

OutLaw_Nynx

It was fun.
I'm glad it's over.
I don't ever want to see a pve player complain about getting vigor again.

I'm really disappointed in Daggerfall players and Ebonheart players that participated in boosting in Azura's Star. Everyone knows you didn't earn that. What's even more disappointing is that these players are "the best" pve players. I don't think they would be too happy if pvp players could just sit in maw and suddenly get the title

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

I thought the whole thing was sad. All you saw in zone chat was people bragging about making 2 million AP a day flipping resources. I used to have respect for players with high alliance ranks. Now I will doubt them all. Stolen glory...

dem0n1k

I hope so! It was fun having more players in Cyrodiil & getting massive AP ticks.

Katahdin

I liked the event, it was alot of fun.
I didn't partake in flipping stuff, as I was getting enough AP just playing.

I'm not sure if doing these periodically is a good idea. Even now, I can get 100K AP a night just playing solo. I could do more if I got into a semi organized group.

lagrue

Stovahkiin wrote: »

I really didn't like the event. It's basically just a slap in the face to all the people that have spent significant amounts of time grinding AP before the event.

S0.... like... any double EXP event in any game ever?

bowmanz607

Sure but only for kills. Keep points of interest same

KingKush

Plus, people have been exploiting AP gains long before this event came about.

DRXHarbinger

The issue with Cyro atm..

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/DR X Harbinger/video/28064955

Perhaps this is why pops are so low, I can't even tell where to go lol. Let alone move or have basic sound.

Just leave it there.

Stovahkiin

KingKush wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

I really didn't like the event. It's basically just a slap in the face to all the people that have spent significant amounts of time grinding AP before the event.

I see this logic used all the time in events like this and its baffling to me.

That logic could literally be applied to anything. 2x exp, crown sales, holiday events.

That logic is extremely selfish imo. It's not like the same players that spent "significant" amounts of time grinding AP were exempt from the event. THAT would be a real slap in the face.

My point is that someone can come into PvP for the first time and, within a short time, catch up in rank to someone who's been playing consistently for a good while. The event at least should have been implemented differently.

captainwolfos

I completely forgot about the double AP event, and only really wanted to participate so I could get AP for some of the exclusive furniture. I need that Covenant shield, man.

Otherwise, I literally do not care about PVP.

Who knows, maybe the battlegrounds may change my outlook -- I did, after all, enjoy SWTOR's PVP, even if I did only begrudgingly jump in to unlock a character.

Duiwel

Stovahkiin wrote: »

I really didn't like the event. It's basically just a slap in the face to all the people that have spent significant amounts of time grinding AP before the event.

This

So unless they make the x2 bonus permanent I would prefer it if there was no more such event in the future.

A friend got more than double my rank from one night of AP farming. ( he has never PvP'd in his life ) I have PvP'd for over 6 months, between 3-4 nights each week(last year).

Rev Rielle

I think it would be counterproductive to the PvP genre in this game as a whole.

I think PvP needs to be kept as much as possible about actual 'pure PvP'. Not about rewards, gimmicks, events, etc etc, but rather enjoyable interaction with and against other players.

Tommy_The_Gun

I am thinking of this event in a rather different way. If someone is a true PvP player - then he/she will play it no matter if there are any rewards or not - because PvP players... enjoy PvP...

And we have also like maybe 90% of eso players who are mostly PvE players who feel "forced" to play PvP - because there are plenty of skill points that you get as a reward in participating in PvP and gaining AP.

In short - the event caused PvE players to play PvP and suddenly all campaigns became 100% occupied with additional 120 people waiting in queues making PvP harder for true PvP players to join. Not to mention - it was more of AP farming...

Etchos

I thought it was fun. A few nights got a good group and the AP flowed.

To all those giving the "a slap in the face argument"............ You got the same benefit unless you didn't play. The only way your mate could double your rank is if you didn't play or played and didn't earn any AP.

In which case your complaint is less about the event and more about he event not suiting your schedule.

Some math just to illustrate the craziness of some of these claims.

Poster above says he plays 3-4 nights a week for 6 months and his mate got double his rank in one week

So say 20k ap a night which is low in order to make the point.

3times a week 26 weeks a year that's 1,560,000 AP in a year. Also during the event 3 days at double xp so that's another 20x3x2 120,000K

Total 1,680,000 which equates to rank 15 on the alliance scale.

If your mate doubled your rank then he would be rank 30 which requires 13,688,000 AP to reach meaning he would have need to earn 1,955,429 million AP per night for 7 nights during the event. I'm sorry but I'm calling BS. Unless you are serious suggesting your mate can earn 1,955,429 (977,714 without the double boost) a night while you are only hitting 40,000 (20k without the double boost)

Sheuib

I like it and I think it should be held at the same time they do holiday events. The PVE crowd gets double xp on a regular basis so should the PVP crowd. And, to all the PVP players that didn't like it I have to ask why you wouldn't like a bunch of easy kills in PVP? It is up to us PVP players to stop organized flag flipping and just go in there and take flags and control flags and farm PVE'ers.

Biro123

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I am thinking of this event in a rather different way. If someone is a true PvP player - then he/she will play it no matter if there are any rewards or not - because PvP players... enjoy PvP...

And we have also like maybe 90% of eso players who are mostly PvE players who feel "forced" to play PvP - because there are plenty of skill points that you get as a reward in participating in PvP and gaining AP.

In short - the event caused PvE players to play PvP and suddenly all campaigns became 100% occupied with additional 120 people waiting in queues making PvP harder for true PvP players to join. Not to mention - it was more of AP farming...

This 100%..

I mean if you hate your job - and suddenly get paid double.. you'll still hate your job - you just get paid more.. I can't see why anyone would 'enjoy' the event if they didn't already enjoy PVP. And in that case, its not the event making them enjoy it....

If its someone new to PVP who 'enjoyed the event'.. perhaps its actually PVP they enjoy - regardless of the event..?

Can't see how anyone would enjoy outpost-flipping... its the worst kind of grind..

Zedrian

The double AP was greatly exploited by farming fort flags while cooperating with a different faction. (1million AP in a few hours). While the double AP is not the cause of the problem, it definitely was an incentive for abuse. It will soon be more rewarding to farm AP than PVE. If they ever do something stupid such as buying vMA weapons with AP then PVE will be forever dead.

I wish that once you capture a fort, a minute later a large AOE wipes all enemies within the fort, and if you lose a fort too soon after capturing you get -75%AP gain debuff for an Hour. Emperor titles were abused this way too. I start seeing Grand Overlords on PS4 but it means nothing now... just like the vMOL abuse (that still exist)...

Édit: or maybe Zenimax is inviting us to use exploits and I am an idiot not exploiting while other get their top gear. Maybe it is time to exploit and if you get banned, play another game like Horizon because the end game content on ESO has no more value....
@ZOS_GinaBruno

kevlarto_ESO

It was just not a willy nilly event it was a test to see how the impact of CP had on performance and I am sure a few other things, it was only a week, not sure another event is needed but if there needs to be one for testing with the hopes we will see improvements in the game by all means bring in what ever you need to help.

My question is when will the dev's tell us about their findings, did they determine anything ? can we look forward to some up coming changes because of this test or are we still dead in the water.

And of course it was greatly exploited but for that one week the dev's should have learned a lot and I am sure they are looking at how many ways things got exploited as well, you know the dev's have tools that tell them amazing things on how we play and where everyone runs to and does something they do not like they make changes sometimes, sometimes the exploiting player base shoots themselves in the foot and forces the devs to make changes then the whining begins.

Anhedonie

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

It was fun.
I'm glad it's over.
I don't ever want to see a pve player complain about getting vigor again.

I'm really disappointed in Daggerfall players and Ebonheart players that participated in boosting in Azura's Star. Everyone knows you didn't earn that. What's even more disappointing is that these players are "the best" pve players. I don't think they would be too happy if pvp players could just sit in maw and suddenly get the title

Well, dromathra destroyer doesn't mean *** either, since there was/is an exploit.

Isellskooma

I liked that double AP event because it makes my 1-2vXs good looking since everyone has a high rank now.