TF low Pop?

Iskrasfemme

People need motivation to play a campaign that is in dispute. If nothing is in dispute, why play? It is not simply by PvP that many are here. This concern has been expressed through dialogues that I have in game with former players of all factions (I will not just quote here because I did not ask them for permission to quote them). The current campaign, it seems this week, found a certain 'void', highlights for the AD and EP factions. The low population may be due to the end of a weekend promotion sponsored by ZOS. Of course, I do not say anything about the score and the successful (admirable) achievements of the DC (elected 3 times an Emperor) only and exclusively by the low population that we verified in the campaign.

I do not know if anyone else has that impression and, if so, what 'solutions' could we find to encourage new and old players to enter or return to TF? What do those who read here think about?

Vurian97

Trueflame hardly has a population issue when you look at Haderus & Azura's Star populations..

AhPook_Is_Here

If it was no CP i'd play there. After the week of no cp game-play I took quite the liking to it. I guess they could close down Had but then where would people emp flip all day?

Anazasi

DK, a long time AD guild on TF, is currently homed here. But we are planning on a move at the end of this cycle. Our experience during our raid time (7pm EST to 11pm EST).

A lot of our members liked the NO CP week and are in favor of playing that long term.

Thanks for the fun but our 1 year ride on TF watching the Purple Alliance is coming to an end.

Iskrasfemme

Anazasi wrote: »

DK, a long time AD guild on TF, is currently homed here. But we are planning on a move at the end of this cycle. Our experience during our raid time (7pm EST to 11pm EST).

A lot of our members liked the NO CP week and are in favor of playing that long term.

Thanks for the fun but our 1 year ride on TF watching the Purple Alliance is coming to an end.

There is no 'purple' alliance! Just as there is no Green Alliance and I have seen AD several times - MY faction in practice, unite to defeat EP, or 'orange' alliance to defeat DC. There are 3 factions in contention and of course at one time or another we will all take advantage of weaknesses of ONE of our opponents to get some advantage. This is ESO, it's the campaign!

To be aware of what I say and falsehood here. Today, a DC group / guild took the Scroll AD and almost delivered it to me near the bridge at Alessia. We had combined that, alias, I even shone a castle to facilitate for an opposing faction.

But why did this happen? Because there, we were all concerned about the low population, especially DC's side friends! It got to the level or point of many sending messages to me and wondering what was going on.

I think it's time for us all to look for something in common: fun for all and strive to keep the TF alive!

Gilvoth

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

If it was no CP i'd play there. After the week of no cp game-play I took quite the liking to it. I guess they could close down Had but then where would people emp flip all day?

that is exactly what has happened. i immediatly switched to NO CP Azura because i loved it.
the pvp seems far more balanced with zero CP. i love it.
we owe the thanx to Brian Wheeler on this one.

Iskrasfemme

This is another problem, CP. Agree, @dwemer_paleologist

kevlarto_ESO

Cheaters in the no cp campaign stick out like a sore thumb, seen a few try to cheat with no cp it was pathetic.

Alomar

I was only in TF because of the no cp week, I've gone back to the no cp campaign like many others. You/we can't do anything to bring back old pvpers, as you ponder. That's ZOS's job, and after years of failing at it they gave up and decided to invest and appeal to casual pve'ers and rp'ers. They don't actively balance their game, so at least we can without cp.

Telel

Vurian97 wrote: »

Trueflame hardly has a population issue when you look at Haderus & Azura's Star populations..

This one thinks you should come out from behind the blue tide and have a look the population levels from from under the boot heels of certain folks who play in the middle of the day.

maxjapank

I think classes being "balanced" by not having cps is purely subjective. And maybe it's just my opinion, but I would like to see the damage scale of resources be less. Damage should come mainly from spell and weapon dmg, not resources. Players should have to choose more between having a high resource pool, a high regen pool, or a high dmg pool. But I am happy to have campaigns available for both cps and non cps as is now. Players should have choices.

As for Oceanic timezone, I'm afraid TF is all we have. Blue has tended to be the more populated as of late, but there are still many times when we have fairly equal numbers across all three factions. Yet even when not, yesterday was a good example of red and yellow working together to dethrone blue's Emp, and that was very well done. We welcome the double team in these instances.

Iskrasfemme

probably 2 guilds (more come) go leave TF, gratz...

... yes, im Sad and unhappy! U know me guys...

malicia

I occasionally played TF before no CP, as I didn't realize how much difference CP makes. I'm somewhere between 200-300 CP, playing a DW stamblade.

The no CP week showed me what a massive difference CP makes. In no-CP fights felt fair - when I died it was simply a case of the other person being a better player. I won a couple of 1-1 fights, probably against other PvP noobs. Skill showed, and it was very instructive to see how some players simply counter everything I try.

Before no-CP my experience in TF was vastly different. Any kills that I managed then was ganking someone already damaged in a fight. Not fun for them, and not much fun for me either. I didn't have much of a choice, though, as being visible basically meant being dead. Most people could kill me in less than 2s. Part of it was due to me being less experienced, then, but CP does make a massive difference to dmg output, dmg mitigation and resource management.

I'm not saying that CP is unfair. I can and will also get to max CP. Until I do, though, TF is simply not all that much fun. I'll stick to Azura for now.

malicia

Forgot to mention - each time ZoS raises the CP cap the barrier to entry for TF is basically raised. The higher the CP cap, the longer it will take a player to reach a point where he can start having fun in TF.

fastolfv_ESO

yah so many flooding over to azuras its crazy /sarcasm off. Seriously if all the forum warriors for no cp actually played on the no cp campaign there might actually be 2 active campaigns on pc, but nobody plays there. Its like the forums flooded with people trying to screw with the only active campaign where most people actually enjoy playing

WhiteMage

Idk about anyone else, but imo PvP is best when all factions have 2 bars. I like "low population" because I don't have to worry about being zerged near as often, while leads to more opportunities to smallscale, including 1v1 and 1vX. As a solo I can also actively contribute to a siege in a very meaningful way by repairing the attackers in, or squatting for the lone guy who replaces a downed FC. So I don't see Azura's population as a bad thing.

And ofc, low population and no cp means absolutely no lag.

malicia

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

...h people trying to screw with the only active campaign where most people actually enjoy playing

I don't see anyone in this thread who wants TF to be no-CP? By all means, keep it a CP campaign and enjoy it there. The OP asked why people aren't playing on TF. We simply answered and told him why we personally don't play TF. I'm too low-CP to survive in TF, so I won't be playing TF. You, though, are more than welcome to have your fun on TF, you just won't see me there until I'm at the CP cap.

Vurian97

Telel wrote: »

Vurian97 wrote: »

Trueflame hardly has a population issue when you look at Haderus & Azura's Star populations..

This one thinks you should come out from behind the blue tide and have a look the population levels from from under the boot heels of certain folks who play in the middle of the day.

I play in Azura's Star, not Trueflame. I am well-aware of all the populations for each campaign.

EP controls Azura's Star roughly 18 hours of the day.
AD rides alongside EP in Azura's Star and they keep DC to their tri-keeps most of the day.

Haderus is a emperor trade-off with guilds dropping in for a week and leaving, constant faction control flipping.

Trueflame DC dominates currently but that isn't always the case, as before and it will soon in the future, once again be fairly balanced in population, otherwise, EP & AD will just shift over to Haderus or Azura's Star and those will become balanced population wise.


Perhaps you should get a grip on reality and realize that not all of DC is on Trueflame...

Rickter

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

If it was no CP i'd play there. After the week of no cp game-play I took quite the liking to it. I guess they could close down Had but then where would people emp flip all day?

just. .. what?!

if they close down haderus NA that leaves us with no cp or TrueLag.

why would you force feed players into a bottle? Trueflame has so much lag due to the high pop levels and a queue to get in isnt fun either. Please find an alternative solution for Haderus campaign instead of just canning it because - well no reason at all because its ridiculous.

Minno

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

yah so many flooding over to azuras its crazy /sarcasm off. Seriously if all the forum warriors for no cp actually played on the no cp campaign there might actually be 2 active campaigns on pc, but nobody plays there. Its like the forums flooded with people trying to screw with the only active campaign where most people actually enjoy playing

TF Zone Chat:
"Avoid Droconis. U won't kill him"
"Don't go into that tower, he's just going to dodge roll around."
"Damn proc sets!"
"Need help at DC, group of EP healing Templars taking resources."


AZ Zone Chat:
"Good job DC! We gave them a long hurting!
"We can do this! Set up oils at breach we can push them back!"
"We tried! That was fun, let's try again!"
"We need to hit some resources to pull EP down. OK we will take x, you take y" *DC followed zone chatorders*

Which one of these sounds fun ?
And not shaming Droconis, that dude is tanky in TF but he would be killable in AZ .

We will keep to our nCP campaign, but try to steal more players from TF. #MakeAZtheNewCompetitiveCampaignAgain!

Telel

Vurian97 wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Vurian97 wrote: »

Trueflame hardly has a population issue when you look at Haderus & Azura's Star populations..

This one thinks you should come out from behind the blue tide and have a look the population levels from from under the boot heels of certain folks who play in the middle of the day.

I play in Azura's Star, not Trueflame. I am well-aware of all the populations for each campaign.

EP controls Azura's Star roughly 18 hours of the day.
AD rides alongside EP in Azura's Star and they keep DC to their tri-keeps most of the day.

Haderus is a emperor trade-off with guilds dropping in for a week and leaving, constant faction control flipping.

Trueflame DC dominates currently but that isn't always the case, as before and it will soon in the future, once again be fairly balanced in population, otherwise, EP & AD will just shift over to Haderus or Azura's Star and those will become balanced population wise.


Perhaps you should get a grip on reality and realize that not all of DC is on Trueflame...

This one has a nice tight grip thank you. Tight enough to strangle a puppy, or so this one thinks the expression goes.

And it is fortunate khajiit is most polite or they might bring up a rebuttal abut the title and context of discussions. But, again, Telel is far to kind and hearty a soul to resort to something so unfriendly in nature.

They'll leave that to elfish sorts instead, and get back to fighting the tidal wave known as the bloopnewbnami.

Iskrasfemme

I must praise 'some guys'. Finally, after many attempts, they managed to ruin the True Flame server. [snip]

AD is leaving, guilds abandoning a campaign marked by the indifference and insensitivity of those who, in game, have only adopted the idea of 'doing (farm) at any cost', setting traps for new players, low levels, in general, to achieve 'fame'.

Finally!

Once I told everyone, I would change the TF and I'm changing! Iskras is urging everyone to leave this server until some old practices change.

But, one thing will be positive: some will now be able to make dots by killing NPCs ... if they find one.

Congratulations, especial guys from DC / EP!

[Edit for Naming & Shaming]

enzoisadog

The problem with ad its not that we dont have enough players, the problem is, we dont work together and we dont have guilds to beat DC/EP guilds.

All the good ad guilds stopped playing or went EP/DC
AD used to have awesome guilds but now....

Iskrasfemme

Sorry, Pead, i disagree. ZOS permit change side in same campaign, problems beguine with this.

out51d3r

Iskrasfemme wrote: »

Today, a DC group / guild took the Scroll AD and almost delivered it to me near the bridge at Alessia.

I'm having a hard time understanding your posts. Are you saying that some DC players were trying to deliberately give a scroll to AD?

Iskrasfemme

out51d3r wrote: »

Iskrasfemme wrote: »

Today, a DC group / guild took the Scroll AD and almost delivered it to me near the bridge at Alessia.

I'm having a hard time understanding your posts. Are you saying that some DC players were trying to deliberately give a scroll to AD?

No, i say: some DC player think with head and not with personal pride, something selfish. This is clear in y observation initial!

Telel

pead wrote: »

The problem with ad its not that we dont have enough players, the problem is, we dont work together and we dont have guilds to beat DC/EP guilds.

All the good ad guilds stopped playing or went EP/DC
AD used to have awesome guilds but now....

To be fair we DO have very good guilds. Fantasia, DOminant Dominion, Dominion Knights, Conquered Crown, Ruin. Even this one's own humble pack are often in the thick of things and we cooperate with all of our fellows when we can.

However almost all of those don't hit their stride until Prime time, which has left the Dumbminion quite....elf like during much of the day.

For the last couple of months (maybe a bit longer) Telel has gotten on daily to see a mere handulf of brave gold warriors having to fight an undending stream of Purple Pills who migrate South as if there was a lemming cliff over our scrolls.

Just today this one got a hate tell from some folks in the Dramafail Coverlet accusing them of zerging. This was while their own faction was pop locked and Khajiit's derptastic comrades could barely scrape 2 bars together to hold onto the scroll keeps. Fifteen minute later that same person was working hard to hold the front door of Alessia long enough for Griffs from the Ebonheart Pact (whom had 3 bars) to show up in their dozens in response to the mighty zerg of...

Seven.....

In a PUG....

And all of this was streamed so if people wanted proof then Telel can give it.