Need info on briarheart set

paul_j

Trying to use this set for fun in pve but can't really find too much info on it. Is this set worth a shot? Just wanted to know before I spend gold buying the set pieces or farm it

OrphanHelgen

Its good because it gives your character a passive weapon damage buff, that scales with major and minor brutality. It is slightly better then hundings rage, even with downtime. You need to have a lot of crits to have good uptime on it as well.

If you want to use them in weapons, they wont come in sharpend for some reason. I have been reporting this already, and double precice are not optimal.

I would say you can use 5 piece in armor if you want, but not in weapons.

paul_j

Thanks for your input! Just bored of cookie cutter sets everyone uses haha. Good to know it's better than hundings. I'll probably use the body pieces

Nestor

Its really good to get it with 2 armor and 3 jewelry so you can also have Hundings, but the jewelry can, or did, drop in all 3 traits. Purple Jewlery is rare, but the Blues are such an insignificant difference, it won't matter.

Farming is easy, do a couple world boss quest tours in Wrothgar and some Delve Dailies and you should have what you need.

paul_j

Im gonna go 5 briar 5 alkosh. Have the alkosh jewelry and weapons so I'll run the body pieces for briar and I think the body pieces will be easier to find

Oreyn_Bearclaw

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Its good because it gives your character a passive weapon damage buff, that scales with major and minor brutality. It is slightly better then hundings rage, even with downtime. You need to have a lot of crits to have good uptime on it as well.

If you want to use them in weapons, they wont come in sharpend for some reason. I have been reporting this already, and double precice are not optimal.

I would say you can use 5 piece in armor if you want, but not in weapons.

I thought the math showed it was slightly less effective than hundings for straight damage. Basically if you proc the 10 second buff on cooldown (15 seconds) its basically dead even. 449*10/15=299.3 weapon damage and the 2-4 traits are the same. No set like this is proc'ed on cooldown every time, so it ends up being a hair less damage, but with the benefit of a self heal.

I think it is perfectly viable for Solo builds and 4-man stuff, but in a trial, you can do better.

hedna123b14_ESO

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Its good because it gives your character a passive weapon damage buff, that scales with major and minor brutality. It is slightly better then hundings rage, even with downtime. You need to have a lot of crits to have good uptime on it as well.

If you want to use them in weapons, they wont come in sharpend for some reason. I have been reporting this already, and double precice are not optimal.

I would say you can use 5 piece in armor if you want, but not in weapons.

Briarheart gives 449 weapon damage for 10 sec with 15 second cooldown. 449 x 10/15=299 weapon damage. So even if you are able to p4oc it the instant the cooldown is off it is already worse than hundings. However the issue is your down time is likely to be anywhere from 16-18 seconds meaning the average weapon damage is around 250-280. Much worse than Hundings.

NiclasFridholm

Hundings give a flat amount right!? Briar gives you a buff which will multiply with minor/major brutality right? If so then:
Briar > Hundings

hedna123b14_ESO

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

Hundings give a flat amount right!? Briar gives you a buff which will multiply with minor/major brutality right? If so then:
Briar > Hundings

Lol...no they both work the same

paul_j

damage will be a little lower but how are the heals from crits? Are the heals so small they are unoticable or does survivability go up?

buttaface

As you know, you cannot wear two crafted 5 piece sets at the same time, so you cannot combine NMG or Spriggans or TBS with Hundings. You can wear 5 pieces of Briarheart (or any jeweled set) with 5 pieces of a crafted set and a monster set on 1h weapon bars. So the straight up comparison attempt between Briarheart and Hundings falls out of context here for players who don't have endgame jeweled dungeon sets yet.

Briarheart goes off at the start of every fight on stam bars using bow/dw, and trash fights don't last much longer than ten seconds if any, usually have 15 seconds downtime between. So the downtime is an issue on boss fights only. Moreover, boss fights require lots of dps downtime while moving about, evading and following whatever script, so the boss fight comparison needs that context.

As a newer player below CP300, I use it trading it out with NMG, Spriggans and Bahrahas depending on what PvE I'm doing, and it does great until I get jeweled endgame sets from dungeons. I find the healing significant with briarheart to bolster crit surge, it is usually dirt cheap in divines/infused on traders (paid under 10k for 7 pieces infused/divine) and the effect is cool. It would not be a good option for PvP. It's a fun, good set GL with it.

NiclasFridholm

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

Hundings give a flat amount right!? Briar gives you a buff which will multiply with minor/major brutality right? If so then:
Briar > Hundings

Lol...no they both work the same

I think someone needs to go back and do some proper testing...

Asmael

That's actually a set that I would consider for some specific vet trials trash packs, since some of those are supposed to die in 10-16 seconds, starting on a bow bar without it, it would trigger on the first weapon swap, 2s into the fight and help burst down the mobs a tiny bit, giving more average weapon damage than Hundings.

But we're looking at a 1-2s optimization on sub-20 minutes runs, so not a game breaker by any stretch.

An interesting thing to consider is that it carries over on weapon swap unlike Hundings, but the duration & cooldown theoratically makes it slightly worse than Hundings by reducing the average weapon damage on the DW bar, while upping it on the backbar (bow). With a slightly better timing (7s duration, 10s CD, 427 weapon damage for instance) this would become a pretty strong uneven set (5p on one bar only) for a few specs.

Everstorm

Currently combining Briarheart with Night Mother's Gaze on a bosmer stamblade. Would I be better of with Hundings and Briarheart? Mostly using it for doing stuff solo.

DRXHarbinger

Everstorm wrote: »

Currently combining Briarheart with Night Mother's Gaze on a bosmer stamblade. Would I be better of with Hundings and Briarheart? Mostly using it for doing stuff solo.

Briarheart will be better for solo play as your potential burst will be a lot higher. Tbh the difference in killing between the two will be minimal. 150 weapon damage is nothing. But the small heals off it may well save you.

hedna123b14_ESO

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

Hundings give a flat amount right!? Briar gives you a buff which will multiply with minor/major brutality right? If so then:
Briar > Hundings

Lol...no they both work the same

I think someone needs to go back and do some proper testing...

I think someone needs to learn about how basic math works in this game. All of the sets that give you a number like hundings and briarheart are flat values which are modified by major brutality....you must be new to the game

Stannum

its pretty good for crit based build (especially khajiit). Well combined with crafted NMG or HR sets.

BohnT

The heal is really useless as it has a 1 second cooldown so you looking at ~1000 hps which isn't much and won't save you most of the time.

Everstorm

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Currently combining Briarheart with Night Mother's Gaze on a bosmer stamblade. Would I be better of with Hundings and Briarheart? Mostly using it for doing stuff solo.

Briarheart will be better for solo play as your potential burst will be a lot higher. Tbh the difference in killing between the two will be minimal. 150 weapon damage is nothing. But the small heals off it may well save you.

Thanks for answering but I wanted to know which of the tradeskill sets would combine best with Briarheart.

Jim_Pipp

Tradeskill sets? Like crafted sets? I used to run twice born star with briarheart and was very happy with my high crit build. I believe night mothers gaze would probably be best though.

Also, I am not a mathlete (math athlete), but the discussion about major brutality affecting the bonus weapon damage has confused me. Because briarheart is a higher number (450) surely buffs do make it significantly better? Not least because most mobs are dead before the briar thorn proc ends.

With major brutality hundings adds 360 wep dmg, but briarheart adds 540. The difference increases with the more buffs to wep dmg you have, and stamina has so many ways to buff wep dmg.

Nestor

I don't think Briarheart should replace Hundings, but as a companion 5 Piece Set to Hundings, it's a pretty good combo

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Nestor wrote: »

I don't think Briarheart should replace Hundings, but as a companion 5 Piece Set to Hundings, it's a pretty good combo

The problem with that is that you are giving up a monster set and/or a jewelry bonus (or VMA weapons). All of which are very powerful.

I dont think its a bad set. It certainly has it's uses, but maximizing damage is not one of them.

Toc de Malsvi

buttaface wrote: »

As you know, you cannot wear two crafted 5 piece sets at the same time, so you cannot combine NMG or Spriggans or TBS with Hundings. You can wear 5 pieces of Briarheart (or any jeweled set) with 5 pieces of a crafted set and a monster set on 1h weapon bars. So the straight up comparison attempt between Briarheart and Hundings falls out of context here for players who don't have endgame jeweled dungeon sets yet.

Briarheart goes off at the start of every fight on stam bars using bow/dw, and trash fights don't last much longer than ten seconds if any, usually have 15 seconds downtime between. So the downtime is an issue on boss fights only. Moreover, boss fights require lots of dps downtime while moving about, evading and following whatever script, so the boss fight comparison needs that context.

As a newer player below CP300, I use it trading it out with NMG, Spriggans and Bahrahas depending on what PvE I'm doing, and it does great until I get jeweled endgame sets from dungeons. I find the healing significant with briarheart to bolster crit surge, it is usually dirt cheap in divines/infused on traders (paid under 10k for 7 pieces infused/divine) and the effect is cool. It would not be a good option for PvP. It's a fun, good set GL with it.

Spriggans isn't crafted, you can combine it with any of the crafted sets including Hundings.

buttaface

Spriggans isn't crafted, you can combine it with any of the crafted sets including Hundings. [/quote]

Correct, sorry for the mistype.

Chilly-McFreeze

BohnT wrote: »

The heal is really useless as it has a 1 second cooldown so you looking at ~1000 hps which isn't much and won't save you most of the time.

I disagree. Although it might not be an utlimate lifesaver on it's own it's basically a free HoT that procs on cooldown. It's a bonus to the 300 weapon dmg on average. So it becomes like a "Hunding's with a heal". Only downside is the 5 seconds set cooldown in between.
Combined with Surge from a Stam Sorc it grants you like 5000+ HpS.

Does it scale with Quick Recovery and Blessed CP?

If I only could find some sharpened 1h for this...