[Anger/Rant] The Homestead Crafting Mat Competition/2nd Career

Uriel_Nocturne

Homestead has just borked even a mundane task like the inevitable time you need to replenish your crafting mats.

You can't really even farm any nodes in any Zone now that Homestead placed Furniture Crafting square on the shoulders of the Crafting Mat nodes. There's so many people farming every single Zone, that it's like having a second job just to get some Crafting Mats replenished, even if you're not into the Furniture Crafting in any way...

Way to suck all of the minuscule remaining fun out of a mundane task like Mat Farming, @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert .

Trying to replenish your Crafting Mats has become an inane, competitive chore now, which just leads to frustration and headache. Moreso than those necessary :"Farming Days" every player hits once in a while anyway...

And then you take into account a Thieves Guild Double-mat event would make Hew's Bane simply unplayable now that Homestead is out. You'd have every player in the *** GAME trying to squeeze in there.

No. ***. Thank. You.

Homestead has to be the worst-planned, most bare-bones update I've seen in an MMO in quite a while... absolutely atrocious.

I wonder who the genius was that walked into the planning meeting and said: "Hey guys, you know what ESO needs? Competition to farm crafting mats!!! Yeah! That's the ticket!!! NAILED IT!!!"

Just an atrocious decision...

/rant

Takes-No-Prisoner

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

You can't really even farm any nodes in any Zone now that Homestead placed Furniture Crafting square on the shoulders of the Crafting Mat nodes. There's so many people farming every single Zone, that it's like having a second job just to get some Crafting Mats replenished, even if you're not into the Furniture Crafting in any way...

OP, I have been grinding CoA quite a bit. If you farm the Heavy Sacks, you can get all the mats for furniture crafting. I usually get 5 when I pick one up. 10 of the armor/weapon mats. And occasionally provisioning mats.

Like, each time I log onto my NBs to farm CoA, I always loot the sacks. I made a butt-ton of money on the crafting mats, but I made even more on the blueprints I find in jars in the dungeon.

Might want to try that instead!

rootimus

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

You can't really even farm any nodes in any Zone now that Homestead placed Furniture Crafting square on the shoulders of the Crafting Mat nodes.

IB4L. Also, I can't move without tripping over another node.

Titansteele

I may be reading this wrong and to assume is to make an ass out of you and me so I will just ask outright .....

you are not a fan of the homestead update then?

Uriel_Nocturne

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

You can't really even farm any nodes in any Zone now that Homestead placed Furniture Crafting square on the shoulders of the Crafting Mat nodes. There's so many people farming every single Zone, that it's like having a second job just to get some Crafting Mats replenished, even if you're not into the Furniture Crafting in any way...

OP, I have been grinding CoA quite a bit. If you farm the Heavy Sacks, you can get all the mats for furniture crafting. I usually get 5 when I pick one up. 10 of the armor/weapon mats. And occasionally provisioning mats.

Like, each time I log onto my NBs to farm CoA, I always loot the sacks. I made a butt-ton of money on the crafting mats, but I made even more on the blueprints I find in jars in the dungeon.

Might want to try that instead!

I'm not even worried about Blueprints. I'm not into Homestead in any way, but I can't even get to a decent number of crafting nodes, because there's a mid-sized army of players all vying for the same limited number of nodes IN EVERY ZONE!

I pick up every Heavy Sack I see, and even THOSE are under assault from the horribad decision to link Furniture Crafting to the Mat Nodes...

This has to be the worst planned out decision I've seen from this development team, and that's saying quite a lot.

I love playing the game, but this decision is just atrocious.

Uriel_Nocturne

Titansteele wrote: »

I may be reading this wrong and to assume is to make an ass out of you and me so I will just ask outright .....

you are not a fan of the homestead update then?

What tipped you off?

Takes-No-Prisoner

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I'm not even worried about Blueprints. I'm not into Homestead in any way, but I can't even get to a decent number of crafting nodes, because there's a mid-sized army of players all vying for the same limited number of nodes IN EVERY ZONE!

I pick up every Heavy Sack I see, and even THOSE are under assault from the horribad decision to link Furniture Crafting to the Mat Nodes...

This has to be the worst planned out decision I've seen from this development team, and that's saying quite a lot.

I love playing the game, but this decision is just atrocious.

All I am saying is if you have Nightblade, put cloak on / rapid maneuvers, then run through a dungeon to get the mats from sacks. No one can compete with you for mats if you got the place all to yourself. All I meant to say by that.

Don't mean to dance all over your anger, I know those feels. Which is why I have avoided gathering in large zones since the update dropped.

Turelus

You know... with 30+ years of gaming and playing MMO's since they emerged I would have thought you would learn that there are massive rushes for new resources in the first weeks of an expansion launch...

colig

Farming mats hasn't changed much for me. I was just in Khenarthi's Roost and though there were quite a number of other players with the same idea as me, I was able to gather an acceptable number of mats.

Uriel_Nocturne

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I'm not even worried about Blueprints. I'm not into Homestead in any way, but I can't even get to a decent number of crafting nodes, because there's a mid-sized army of players all vying for the same limited number of nodes IN EVERY ZONE!

I pick up every Heavy Sack I see, and even THOSE are under assault from the horribad decision to link Furniture Crafting to the Mat Nodes...

This has to be the worst planned out decision I've seen from this development team, and that's saying quite a lot.

I love playing the game, but this decision is just atrocious.

All I am saying is if you have Nightblade, put cloak on / rapid maneuvers, then run through a dungeon to get the mats from sacks. No one can compete with you for mats if you got the place all to yourself. All I meant to say by that.

Don't mean to dance all over your anger, I know those feels. Which is why I have avoided gathering in large zones since the update dropped.

I do that, and my anger isn't directed at you in any way.

I craft a very nice Invis + Speed pot that helps me a bit, but even grabbing every heavy pot I see, it pales in comparison to what you used to be able to get via farming the nodes in the game.

Replenishing crafting mats; while not the most... riveting activity in the game, was still at least a BIT fun because you were getting your character(s) needed mats in order to keep crafting.

After Homestead? Even if one has zero desire to have anything to do with the furniture crafting, the nodes simply are flooded with waves of players all competing for the same limited number of nodes. And this is now in every Zone of the game.

One part of the game (IMO) where absolutely NO competition was needed, is in replenishing crafting mats. Yet that's what Homestead has left us with. Frustration while simply trying to restock your mats.

Uriel_Nocturne

Turelus wrote: »

You know... with 30+ years of gaming and playing MMO's since they emerged I would have thought you would learn that there are massive rushes for new resources in the first weeks of an expansion launch...

Nice misdirection, but you completely missed what was actually said in the post.

STEVIL

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Homestead has just borked even a mundane task like the inevitable time you need to replenish your crafting mats.

You can't really even farm any nodes in any Zone now that Homestead placed Furniture Crafting square on the shoulders of the Crafting Mat nodes. There's so many people farming every single Zone, that it's like having a second job just to get some Crafting Mats replenished, even if you're not into the Furniture Crafting in any way...

Way to suck all of the minuscule remaining fun out of a mundane task like Mat Farming, @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert .

Trying to replenish your Crafting Mats has become an inane, competitive chore now, which just leads to frustration and headache. Moreso than those necessary :"Farming Days" every player hits once in a while anyway...

And then you take into account a Thieves Guild Double-mat event would make Hew's Bane simply unplayable now that Homestead is out. You'd have every player in the *** GAME trying to squeeze in there.

No. ***. Thank. You.

Homestead has to be the worst-planned, most bare-bones update I've seen in an MMO in quite a while... absolutely atrocious.

I wonder who the genius was that walked into the planning meeting and said: "Hey guys, you know what ESO needs? Competition to farm crafting mats!!! Yeah! That's the ticket!!! NAILED IT!!!"

Just an atrocious decision...

/rant

Farm gold/loot/motifs etc while "everybody else" farms mats then buy them at guild stores. The 15k+ from a delve motif buys a bunch mats.

Turelus

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

You know... with 30+ years of gaming and playing MMO's since they emerged I would have thought you would learn that there are massive rushes for new resources in the first weeks of an expansion launch...

Nice misdirection, but you completely missed what was actually said in the post.

You complained about how nodes are horrible to farm now because of competition, I commented on how you boast your years experience but fail to realise this happens with every MMO.

This has been out a month on PC now, every zone is back to how it was with no one farming nodes and all materials at a steady acceptable price for anyone who doesn't want to farm them.

ZOS added the crafting surveys which (with CP perks) can drop anywhere between 100 - 200 materials to refine which skips some of the grind of getting standard materials.

When the Hew's Bane event is happening and everyone is cramming into that zone maybe take time to go elsewhere where there no population and take advantage of the quiet zones. ZOS also started creating multiple zone instances again which I would imagine the Hew's Bane event would make use of.

If I am incorrect what is your issue? That you have to harvest nodes for the new content, the competition for the nodes or something else?

Uriel_Nocturne

Turelus wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

You know... with 30+ years of gaming and playing MMO's since they emerged I would have thought you would learn that there are massive rushes for new resources in the first weeks of an expansion launch...

Nice misdirection, but you completely missed what was actually said in the post.

You complained about how nodes are horrible to farm now because of competition, I commented on how you boast your years experience but fail to realise this happens with every MMO.

This has been out a month on PC now, every zone is back to how it was with no one farming nodes and all materials at a steady acceptable price for anyone who doesn't want to farm them.

ZOS added the crafting surveys which (with CP perks) can drop anywhere between 100 - 200 materials to refine which skips some of the grind of getting standard materials.

When the Hew's Bane event is happening and everyone is cramming into that zone maybe take time to go elsewhere where there no population and take advantage of the quiet zones. ZOS also started creating multiple zone instances again which I would imagine the Hew's Bane event would make use of.

If I am incorrect what is your issue? That you have to harvest nodes for the new content, the competition for the nodes or something else?

There's a difference between the small spike in crafting mat node congestion that accompanies any type of update, and directly tying an update and new necessary furniture mats to the existing limited supply of mat nodes.

A large difference, but you're failing to acknowledge that.

Turelus

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

You know... with 30+ years of gaming and playing MMO's since they emerged I would have thought you would learn that there are massive rushes for new resources in the first weeks of an expansion launch...

Nice misdirection, but you completely missed what was actually said in the post.

You complained about how nodes are horrible to farm now because of competition, I commented on how you boast your years experience but fail to realise this happens with every MMO.

This has been out a month on PC now, every zone is back to how it was with no one farming nodes and all materials at a steady acceptable price for anyone who doesn't want to farm them.

ZOS added the crafting surveys which (with CP perks) can drop anywhere between 100 - 200 materials to refine which skips some of the grind of getting standard materials.

When the Hew's Bane event is happening and everyone is cramming into that zone maybe take time to go elsewhere where there no population and take advantage of the quiet zones. ZOS also started creating multiple zone instances again which I would imagine the Hew's Bane event would make use of.

If I am incorrect what is your issue? That you have to harvest nodes for the new content, the competition for the nodes or something else?

There's a difference between the small spike in crafting mat node congestion that accompanies any type of update, and directly tying an update and new necessary furniture mats to the existing limited supply of mat nodes.

A large difference, but you're failing to acknowledge that.

Had this update a month.

Everything is exactly as it was previous to Homestead.

It's just the "ooh new and shiny rush".

I was running around Bleakrock last night competing with the bots/newbies/farmers and was gaining plenty of materials.

BlackSparrow

Yep, as much as I love housing in general, I think the mats were poorly handled. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I think they should have released the mats a month or so ahead of the update, so people could start stocking up. It wouldn't completely remove the current grind; but it would have spread it out.

That said, though... the furnishing frenzy is dropping every day. Give it another month, and farming spots will likely be as empty as they were before.

AdamBourke

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

You can't really even farm any nodes in any Zone now that Homestead placed Furniture Crafting square on the shoulders of the Crafting Mat nodes. There's so many people farming every single Zone, that it's like having a second job just to get some Crafting Mats replenished, even if you're not into the Furniture Crafting in any way...

OP, I have been grinding CoA quite a bit. If you farm the Heavy Sacks, you can get all the mats for furniture crafting. I usually get 5 when I pick one up. 10 of the armor/weapon mats. And occasionally provisioning mats.

Like, each time I log onto my NBs to farm CoA, I always loot the sacks. I made a butt-ton of money on the crafting mats, but I made even more on the blueprints I find in jars in the dungeon.

Might want to try that instead!

What's CoA?

TheImperfect

I'd like to see a few crafting mats come randomly with the survey maps....I think that would help a little.

Turelus

AdamBourke wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

You can't really even farm any nodes in any Zone now that Homestead placed Furniture Crafting square on the shoulders of the Crafting Mat nodes. There's so many people farming every single Zone, that it's like having a second job just to get some Crafting Mats replenished, even if you're not into the Furniture Crafting in any way...

OP, I have been grinding CoA quite a bit. If you farm the Heavy Sacks, you can get all the mats for furniture crafting. I usually get 5 when I pick one up. 10 of the armor/weapon mats. And occasionally provisioning mats.

Like, each time I log onto my NBs to farm CoA, I always loot the sacks. I made a butt-ton of money on the crafting mats, but I made even more on the blueprints I find in jars in the dungeon.

Might want to try that instead!

What's CoA?

@AdamBourke City of Ash, four player dungeon.

Phatmattfu

It's a big world out there. If you can't find your own quiet, efficient spots, you're not looking hard enough.

AlnilamE

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

You know... with 30+ years of gaming and playing MMO's since they emerged I would have thought you would learn that there are massive rushes for new resources in the first weeks of an expansion launch...

Nice misdirection, but you completely missed what was actually said in the post.

There is a rush for the new shiny stuff. It's happened before. As other said, it's already died down on PC. Furniture is not consumable, so once people have furnished their houses, most are not going to care to gather for mats.

If they are having a double-yield event in Hew's Bane, go elsewhere and farm in piece.

Or you could take advantage of the fact that the people gathering don't want the mats themselves, but rather the by-products and buy mats cheaply while the rush lasts.

Takes-No-Prisoner

AdamBourke wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

You can't really even farm any nodes in any Zone now that Homestead placed Furniture Crafting square on the shoulders of the Crafting Mat nodes. There's so many people farming every single Zone, that it's like having a second job just to get some Crafting Mats replenished, even if you're not into the Furniture Crafting in any way...

OP, I have been grinding CoA quite a bit. If you farm the Heavy Sacks, you can get all the mats for furniture crafting. I usually get 5 when I pick one up. 10 of the armor/weapon mats. And occasionally provisioning mats.

Like, each time I log onto my NBs to farm CoA, I always loot the sacks. I made a butt-ton of money on the crafting mats, but I made even more on the blueprints I find in jars in the dungeon.

Might want to try that instead!

What's CoA?

City of Ash

amasuriel

You really need to just branch out a little more. Go to a zone like Shadowfen that doesn't have a lot of new players and doesn't drop good set gear. There are whole areas of the map I don't see other players even during peak times, and the ones I do are just riding past.

If you are farming upper craglorn, sure its busy. Same with zones like Dashaan or Malabal Tor that drop good sets, because often chest farmers scoop up mats too. Starter zones like Auridon have a larger population as well, though still lots of good farming spots.

If the complaint is really finding somewhere to run a route farming basic mats there are plenty of places loaded with material.

wayfarerx

Maybe this is more of a console thing? I've been farming mats in Craglorn on PC/NA every day since Homestead released and I've never had a problem with too many other players around.

AdamBourke

Turelus wrote: »

AdamBourke wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

You can't really even farm any nodes in any Zone now that Homestead placed Furniture Crafting square on the shoulders of the Crafting Mat nodes. There's so many people farming every single Zone, that it's like having a second job just to get some Crafting Mats replenished, even if you're not into the Furniture Crafting in any way...

OP, I have been grinding CoA quite a bit. If you farm the Heavy Sacks, you can get all the mats for furniture crafting. I usually get 5 when I pick one up. 10 of the armor/weapon mats. And occasionally provisioning mats.

Like, each time I log onto my NBs to farm CoA, I always loot the sacks. I made a butt-ton of money on the crafting mats, but I made even more on the blueprints I find in jars in the dungeon.

Might want to try that instead!

What's CoA?

@AdamBourke City of Ash, four player dungeon.

@Turelus Thanks :-)

J6B

amasuriel wrote: »

You really need to just branch out a little more. Go to a zone like Shadowfen that doesn't have a lot of new players and doesn't drop good set gear.

If the complaint is really finding somewhere to run a route farming basic mats there are plenty of places loaded with material.

theres an addon for that.

srsly.

Grymmoire

Well, it doesn't take a genius, rocket scientist nor Mensa member to figure out why furnishings were also tied not only to logically related materials (wood, metal and hide), but also alchemy, enchanting and provisioning materials too.

Encourage competition for resources, and make furnishing share the pool with other crafts; require lots of materials to make even the most basic of items (lanterns and candles for example), and for many, opening their wallets to purchase crown store items and fully furnished homes becomes a transparent strategy, even to the blind.