ZOS make new pvp ranks up to lvl 100

Lord_MK

I think we can all agree that GO is no incredible feat anymore. When I got Grand Overlord last year I had to put a lot of effort into it and it meant something. Now in a matter of weeks they'll probably be a GO on every large scale battlefield. Zos please give end game pvpers something hard to achieve

themdogesbite

I'd prefer if i could get all PvE achivements whilst AFKing instead, it's only fair after all!

zuto40

lets not get crazy now and add 50 more, how about 10 more for a total of 120 mil ap needed, doubling the current requirement for max

Lieblingsjunge

themdogesbite wrote: »

I'd prefer if i could get all PvE achivements whilst AFKing instead, it's only fair after all!

I second this. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler pl0x?

IxSTALKERxI

How would you fit this in with lore though? Like what even comes after grand overlord? If they did add new ranks it'd be cool if AR rank was account wide per faction. A lot of people are stuck playing a class just to get grand overlord when they much rather play a different class.

FriedEggSandwich

Great idea op, +1, no sarcasm. Pvp needs some longevity.

Decado

themdogesbite wrote: »

I'd prefer if i could get all PvE achivements whilst AFKing instead, it's only fair after all!

Not the same thing atall, everyone is capable of getting grand overlord it's just a matter of time, not a matter of skill, if one is persistent enough they will get it, not every grand overlord is some skilled pvper (ofcourse some ARE) they just had the time to constantly PvP, it's possible to get grand overlord by AFKing in certain keeps get defence ticks, repair some walls etc. It's always been possible to do that it would of just taken a stupid amount of time to do so, but it was possible and that's before Zos changed the ticks etc.

Now I'm not saying it's fair that the process was sped up but that's literally all it was speeding it up.

The same cannot be said for a lot of the PvE achievements, I could AFK all I want in a trial it would NEVER have completed no matter how long I tried (I'm not including being boosted through trials or paying for skins etc)

They are two completely different types of achievements.

If it's any consolation maybe you'll get new ranks/achievements etc with battleground which are gated behind some level of skill and not just pure persistence (and I honestly do hope you get that)

Although TBH I wouldn't say no to more skill points per PvE achievements.

CatchMeTrolling

Decado wrote: »

themdogesbite wrote: »

I'd prefer if i could get all PvE achivements whilst AFKing instead, it's only fair after all!

Not the same thing atall, everyone is capable of getting grand overlord it's just a matter of time, not a matter of skill, if one is persistent enough they will get it, not every grand overlord is some skilled pvper (ofcourse some ARE) they just had the time to constantly PvP, it's possible to get grand overlord by AFKing in certain keeps get defence ticks, repair some walls etc. It's always been possible to do that it would of just taken a stupid amount of time to do so, but it was possible and that's before Zos changed the ticks etc.

Now I'm not saying it's fair that the process was sped up but that's literally all it was speeding it up.

The same cannot be said for a lot of the PvE achievements, I could AFK all I want in a trial it would NEVER have completed no matter how long I tried (I'm not including being boosted through trials or paying for skins etc)

They are two completely different types of achievements.

If it's any consolation maybe you'll get new ranks/achievements etc with battleground which are gated behind some level of skill and not just pure persistence (and I honestly do hope you get that)

Although TBH I wouldn't say no to more skill points per PvE achievements.

There wouldn't be as many grand overlords as you think, the game was out for 2 years & there was only 18 grand overlords on PC NA. The majority of people that step into cyrodiil would never get 5 stars, still is the case but it's way easier to get now & it's much more common to see high ranks.

But I do think it's funny how people throw out the red flag when you mention pve, making anything easier to achieve in pve is where they draw the line but it's totally fine for pvp. Many people believe pve doesn't take skill as well so it's subjective.

LegendaryChef

Yeah to add 50 more meaningless ranks in the current system doesn't sound like a great idea to me.

Vapirko

Could make top ranks like GO require a certain KD ratio or something like that? Once you get it then it's yours forever, but would be interesting to raise the stakes.

FriedEggSandwich

Vapirko wrote: »

Could make top ranks like GO require a certain KD ratio or something like that? Once you get it then it's yours forever, but would be interesting to raise the stakes.

KD ratio can be boosted by zerg surfing with RD or mages wrath. I like the idea of raising the stakes though.

Glory

Decado wrote: »

themdogesbite wrote: »

I'd prefer if i could get all PvE achivements whilst AFKing instead, it's only fair after all!

Not the same thing atall, everyone is capable of getting grand overlord it's just a matter of time, not a matter of skill, if one is persistent enough they will get it, not every grand overlord is some skilled pvper (ofcourse some ARE) they just had the time to constantly PvP, it's possible to get grand overlord by AFKing in certain keeps get defence ticks, repair some walls etc. It's always been possible to do that it would of just taken a stupid amount of time to do so, but it was possible and that's before Zos changed the ticks etc.

Now I'm not saying it's fair that the process was sped up but that's literally all it was speeding it up.

The same cannot be said for a lot of the PvE achievements, I could AFK all I want in a trial it would NEVER have completed no matter how long I tried (I'm not including being boosted through trials or paying for skins etc)

They are two completely different types of achievements.

If it's any consolation maybe you'll get new ranks/achievements etc with battleground which are gated behind some level of skill and not just pure persistence (and I honestly do hope you get that)

Although TBH I wouldn't say no to more skill points per PvE achievements.

You realize that being boosted through trials or paying for skins is basically the same thing as this afk farm right? And you realize that many PvE players absolutely hate this concept but are okay with screwing over the PvP accomplishment system?

Telel

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

How would you fit this in with lore though? Like what even comes after grand overlord? If they did add new ranks it'd be cool if AR rank was account wide per faction. A lot of people are stuck playing a class just to get grand overlord when they much rather play a different class.

Humble Khajiit
Honest Khajiit
Sleek Khajiit
Innocent Khajiit
Humbly Sleek Khajiit
Khajiit who definitely did not kill those elves Khajiit

This one thinks you can fill in the other forty four.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Alliance rank is one of the least interesting things about PvP. There are overlords that did nothing but repair walls for AP.

Lol that there are so many people crying about the dilution of the value of their rank. You know what dilutes the value? All the AP boosting, cross faction farming, wall repair emping, and no-skill blobspamming that gave so many their rank in the first place.

PvP for PvP's sake. Save the silly titles and imaginary points for PvE.

Isbilen

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

How would you fit this in with lore though? Like what even comes after grand overlord? If they did add new ranks it'd be cool if AR rank was account wide per faction. A lot of people are stuck playing a class just to get grand overlord when they much rather play a different class.

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zuto40

Isbilen wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

How would you fit this in with lore though? Like what even comes after grand overlord? If they did add new ranks it'd be cool if AR rank was account wide per faction. A lot of people are stuck playing a class just to get grand overlord when they much rather play a different class.

Grand Overlord Grade 3
Grand Overlord Grade 4
Grand Overlord Grade 5
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Derra

Decado wrote: »

themdogesbite wrote: »

I'd prefer if i could get all PvE achivements whilst AFKing instead, it's only fair after all!

Not the same thing atall, everyone is capable of getting grand overlord it's just a matter of time, not a matter of skill, if one is persistent enough they will get it, not every grand overlord is some skilled pvper (ofcourse some ARE) they just had the time to constantly PvP, it's possible to get grand overlord by AFKing in certain keeps get defence ticks, repair some walls etc. It's always been possible to do that it would of just taken a stupid amount of time to do so, but it was possible and that's before Zos changed the ticks etc.

Now I'm not saying it's fair that the process was sped up but that's literally all it was speeding it up.

The same cannot be said for a lot of the PvE achievements, I could AFK all I want in a trial it would NEVER have completed no matter how long I tried (I'm not including being boosted through trials or paying for skins etc)

They are two completely different types of achievements.

If it's any consolation maybe you'll get new ranks/achievements etc with battleground which are gated behind some level of skill and not just pure persistence (and I honestly do hope you get that)

Although TBH I wouldn't say no to more skill points per PvE achievements.

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ToRelax

Decado wrote: »

themdogesbite wrote: »

I'd prefer if i could get all PvE achivements whilst AFKing instead, it's only fair after all!

Not the same thing atall, everyone is capable of getting grand overlord it's just a matter of time, not a matter of skill, if one is persistent enough they will get it, not every grand overlord is some skilled pvper (ofcourse some ARE) they just had the time to constantly PvP, it's possible to get grand overlord by AFKing in certain keeps get defence ticks, repair some walls etc. It's always been possible to do that it would of just taken a stupid amount of time to do so, but it was possible and that's before Zos changed the ticks etc.

Now I'm not saying it's fair that the process was sped up but that's literally all it was speeding it up.

Have you ever tried AFKing in Bleakers to get AP? I'd wager you wouldn't get GO that way in a lifetime.

The same cannot be said for a lot of the PvE achievements, I could AFK all I want in a trial it would NEVER have completed no matter how long I tried (I'm not including being boosted through trials or paying for skins etc)

They are two completely different types of achievements.

Except that's pretty much the same thing?

If it's any consolation maybe you'll get new ranks/achievements etc with battleground which are gated behind some level of skill and not just pure persistence (and I honestly do hope you get that)

Although TBH I wouldn't say no to more skill points per PvE achievements.

You don't honestly believe with the current state of the game there will be much skill left in arena/battleground combat, do you?

Decado

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

themdogesbite wrote: »

I'd prefer if i could get all PvE achivements whilst AFKing instead, it's only fair after all!

Not the same thing atall, everyone is capable of getting grand overlord it's just a matter of time, not a matter of skill, if one is persistent enough they will get it, not every grand overlord is some skilled pvper (ofcourse some ARE) they just had the time to constantly PvP, it's possible to get grand overlord by AFKing in certain keeps get defence ticks, repair some walls etc. It's always been possible to do that it would of just taken a stupid amount of time to do so, but it was possible and that's before Zos changed the ticks etc.

Now I'm not saying it's fair that the process was sped up but that's literally all it was speeding it up.

The same cannot be said for a lot of the PvE achievements, I could AFK all I want in a trial it would NEVER have completed no matter how long I tried (I'm not including being boosted through trials or paying for skins etc)

They are two completely different types of achievements.

If it's any consolation maybe you'll get new ranks/achievements etc with battleground which are gated behind some level of skill and not just pure persistence (and I honestly do hope you get that)

Although TBH I wouldn't say no to more skill points per PvE achievements.

There wouldn't be as many grand overlords as you think, the game was out for 2 years & there was only 18 grand overlords on PC NA. The majority of people that step into cyrodiil would never get 5 stars, still is the case but it's way easier to get now & it's much more common to see high ranks.

But I do think it's funny how people throw out the red flag when you mention pve, making anything easier to achieve in pve is where they draw the line but it's totally fine for pvp. Many people believe pve doesn't take skill as well so it's subjective.

That doesn't change the fact that the only barrier to grand overlord is TIME, on the EU server we have a grand overlord who just runs pug zergs he's well known for it, he spends his whole life in cyrodill and runs pugs.

I have a friend who's a GO and she just plays the game, she doesn't farm AP never has literally all she does is PvP I don't think she even knows how to leave cyrodill. It's very possible to get grand overlord given enough time. There is no other barrier apart from that.

As for making anything easier to achieve things in PvE that's called nerfing things ofcourse people get annoyed when things get nerfed, I'm not sure what this has to do with anything? Apart from a dye and skill points there is nothing behind grand overlord so that isn't how you'd judge the PvP. It's about the actual player vs player so you suddenly become stronger when you get 5 stars? Are your opponents at a disadvantage because of those stars? Nope therefore it can't counted the same as people complaining about PvE nerfs.

Glory wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

themdogesbite wrote: »

I'd prefer if i could get all PvE achivements whilst AFKing instead, it's only fair after all!

Not the same thing atall, everyone is capable of getting grand overlord it's just a matter of time, not a matter of skill, if one is persistent enough they will get it, not every grand overlord is some skilled pvper (ofcourse some ARE) they just had the time to constantly PvP, it's possible to get grand overlord by AFKing in certain keeps get defence ticks, repair some walls etc. It's always been possible to do that it would of just taken a stupid amount of time to do so, but it was possible and that's before Zos changed the ticks etc.

Now I'm not saying it's fair that the process was sped up but that's literally all it was speeding it up.

The same cannot be said for a lot of the PvE achievements, I could AFK all I want in a trial it would NEVER have completed no matter how long I tried (I'm not including being boosted through trials or paying for skins etc)

They are two completely different types of achievements.

If it's any consolation maybe you'll get new ranks/achievements etc with battleground which are gated behind some level of skill and not just pure persistence (and I honestly do hope you get that)

Although TBH I wouldn't say no to more skill points per PvE achievements.

You realize that being boosted through trials or paying for skins is basically the same thing as this afk farm right? And you realize that many PvE players absolutely hate this concept but are okay with screwing over the PvP accomplishment system?

To be honest I disagree, people being boosted or paying for skins/achievements is stupid however it's a part of the game nothing we can do about it. i don't like it but I don't let it ruin anything for me, it's not like they would get accepted into any high end raid guilds without having the skill to back up the achievements so apart from impressive newbies on lowbie zones they havnt really made much of anything (their is the gold loot issue but that's a seperate thing) a scrub with BiS gear and a shiney skin/title is still a scrub. Same with a scrub with 5 stars is still a scrub.

And I don't mean to insult anyone but don't measure your accomplishments based on what others did, base it on what you did.

My original point was only supposed to be that grand overlord is accomplishable by every person in the game given enough time, I'm not saying they will get it but that they could, however the same can't be said about a lot of the PvE achievements (buying aside)

Personally I believe they are a completely desperate issue and that's all I meant to say when it was mentioned getting PvE achievements

Edit: (posted while replying)

Sorry derra I don't see what's so funny, what did I say that is hilarious? That it's possible for anyone to get GO given enough time or that it can't be compared with trials achievements?

ToRelax wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

themdogesbite wrote: »

I'd prefer if i could get all PvE achivements whilst AFKing instead, it's only fair after all!

Not the same thing atall, everyone is capable of getting grand overlord it's just a matter of time, not a matter of skill, if one is persistent enough they will get it, not every grand overlord is some skilled pvper (ofcourse some ARE) they just had the time to constantly PvP, it's possible to get grand overlord by AFKing in certain keeps get defence ticks, repair some walls etc. It's always been possible to do that it would of just taken a stupid amount of time to do so, but it was possible and that's before Zos changed the ticks etc.

Now I'm not saying it's fair that the process was sped up but that's literally all it was speeding it up.

Have you ever tried AFKing in Bleakers to get AP? I'd wager you wouldn't get GO that way in a lifetime.

The same cannot be said for a lot of the PvE achievements, I could AFK all I want in a trial it would NEVER have completed no matter how long I tried (I'm not including being boosted through trials or paying for skins etc)

They are two completely different types of achievements.

Except that's pretty much the same thing?

If it's any consolation maybe you'll get new ranks/achievements etc with battleground which are gated behind some level of skill and not just pure persistence (and I honestly do hope you get that)

Although TBH I wouldn't say no to more skill points per PvE achievements.

You don't honestly believe with the current state of the game there will be much skill left in arena/battleground combat, do you?

I'm not saying AFKing somewhere is a GOOD way to get GO and that it wouldn't take a stupidly long time in saying you COULD do it,

As for paying for being boosted through I believe that's a different issue that's been done in PvP for a long time aswel groups have been boosting each other since the start of the game.

And as for battlegrounds I honestly don't know how it will be but if we never have hope Zos will do anything right then I honestly
Have to ask, what's the point in playing?

Will it be perfect I highly doubt it, will
It be fun? Probably if you avoid certain people it could be fun

Will there be anything for end game pvpers to hope for? Who knows but I honestly hope there is something for the guys who care about that stuff

Jaybe_Mawfaka

themdogesbite wrote: »

I'd prefer if i could get all PvE achivements whilst AFKing instead, it's only fair after all!

I would love to see the option in future of leeching fish in afk near fishermans to get my master angler tittle. Should be fair enough with zos logic Let's call it double fish event!

Delimber

Once everyone is Grand Overlord, no one will be Grand Overlord

Sandman929

It's clear that there was very little thought put into PvP ranking and it would take some actual effort on ZOS's part to make PvP ranks meaningful. Separation of AP gains by category (healing, tanking, killing, repairing, objective capturing) could allow for activity specific ranks. Although the egos in PvP would probably mock a Grand Architect or Grand Medic title, I think it would be great to see some diversity in titles rather than just raising the how-much-AP-did-you-farm level.

apostate9

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

How would you fit this in with lore though? Like what even comes after grand overlord? If they did add new ranks it'd be cool if AR rank was account wide per faction. A lot of people are stuck playing a class just to get grand overlord when they much rather play a different class.

Add a few more, with the same AP requirement for each one that it takes to get from volunteer to GO:

- Proconsul
- Consul
- Duke
- Grand Duke


And some special ones:

- Sapper (fire xx,xxx rounds from siege machines)
- Champion of Cyrodiil ( Kill xx,xxx players)
- Grand Cleric (rez xx,xxxx players)
- Knight of the Garland (spend xxx hours as "crown" of a large group in Cyrodiil)
- Knight of the Imperial Dragon (spend x,xxx hours as "crown" of a large group in Cyrodiil)

Skinzz

Lord_MK wrote: »

I think we can all agree that GO is no incredible feat anymore. When I got Grand Overlord last year I had to put a lot of effort into it and it meant something. Now in a matter of weeks they'll probably be a GO on every large scale battlefield. Zos please give end game pvpers something hard to achieve

There's gonna be like 10 more GO's running around after the double ap week because they all boosted in azuras star. Players going from legate to Grand overlords in a week is just pathetic.

I think zos should simply just remove the ap/ranks from all known boosters during the event. GO was suppose to be a milestone achievement and reward for commitment and dedication to one class.

Potenza

The PvP titles are just about time played. Eventually everyone is going to be a GO anyway. Who cares if its sooner than later.

Lord_MK

Okay I think I see thing that ALL of us have in common. PvP needs MEANINGFUL milestones. Zos we need more milestones for end game pvp.

parkham

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

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PvP for PvP's sake. Save the silly titles and imaginary points for PvE.

I'm new to PVP, alliance points and all the titles... so forgive me in advance.

How about a.. PVP Solo and PVP Group Rank. You kill another player, get a point. You help a group kill another, get a point. You get killed, you lose points. Points get divided evenly. Solo gets it all, group gets it split. Seems simple and to the point.

Only someone with xyz points gets a title. You gain or lose one point every 24 hours. Points fall off after a week.

I'm just thinking outloud here.

t3hdubzy

I still dont think many people gained more than 3 or 4 ranks max this past week. I personally gained 2 and played on average 4 hrs a day. I was 103 for emp sitting at a whopping 2.5mil for the campaign AP 24 days into a 30 day campaign.

I think our top 5 are between 10 and 16 mil ap.

Just sayin....

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Here are some suggested titles you could add.

• Blobspammer: 90% of your kills come from eye of the skill or other AOEs
• Grand Blobspammer: Do this every day for the last 2 years
• Zone Chat Overloard: Type 587,287 words in Zone chat. That's war and peace status.
• Grand Zone Chat Overlord: Maintain a minimum 1000 words per kill ratio and spend more time talking in zone than actually fighting. Also known as the Publius Scipio Achievement.
• Architect: Gain 10 million AP by just repairing walls.
• Grand Architect: Maintain a 10:1 walls repaired to kills ratio. Also known as the Lothar Wolf Achievement.

zuto40

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Here are some suggested titles you could add.

• Blobspammer: 90% of your kills come from eye of the skill or other AOEs
• Grand Blobspammer: Do this every day for the last 2 years
• Zone Chat Overloard: Type 587,287 words in Zone chat. That's war and peace status.
• Grand Zone Chat Overlord: Maintain a minimum 1000 words per kill ratio and spend more time talking in zone than actually fighting. Also known as the Publius Scipio Achievement.
• Architect: Gain 10 million AP by just repairing walls.
• Grand Architect: Maintain a 10:1 walls repaired to kills ratio. Also known as the Lothar Wolf Achievement.

i think you forgot one

• Discount Sun: Have 99% of your kills from using radiant destruction

IcyDeadPeople

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