Reinforce Trait

qsnoopyjr

So in PvE, spell penetration is BiS.
Precise is considered junk
Nirnhoned is considered junk

So in PvP, Impen is BiS, aka crit defense

???If crit defense is OP in PvP, why is Precise (crit attack) still considered junk and Sharpened considered BiS in PvP scenarios???

Note to Developers.
People complain nothing to do, do not just balance skills. Balance traits too. Aka make reinforce better, make nirnhoned better, make precise better.
Do not make Sharpened BiS for everything, in 90% of scenarios aka build setups.

zaria

AFrostWolf wrote: »

It boggles my mind on how the other traits are considered garbage and ZOS never thought of fine tuning them....

Prosperous 8.5% @ Gold. Increase this to 15% and see if people would consider using it. If not, raise it again till it's worth it.
Infused 20% @ Gold. Increase this to 50% and see if people consider using it. If not, raise it again till it's worth it.
Reinforced 16% @ Gold. Increase it to 25% and see if people consider using it. If not, raise it again till it's worth it.

You get the point. FINE TUNE the numbers so the other traits become valuable. IT'S THAT EASY!

Prosperous: is pretty nice then grinding mobs. Same is training if focus is leveling fast.
However it has nothing to do with BiS gears who is about PvP, dungeons or raids.
Everybody who want Prosperous or training uses crafted sets.
Infused on large parts is nice for healers, crit is nice but if tank is down to 20% you can not gamble for an crit.
Reinforced might be nice for tanks if buffed unless it hit cap.

PvP meta is a bit funny, everybody focus on reducing crit so nobody focus on crit.
You see the issue here, if nobody focus on crit you don't need crit resistance so much,
Downside is that its still an low crit chance, do you feel lucky

AFrostWolf

It boggles my mind on how the other traits are considered garbage and ZOS never thought of fine tuning them....

Prosperous 8.5% @ Gold. Increase this to 15% and see if people would consider using it. If not, raise it again till it's worth it.
Infused 20% @ Gold. Increase this to 50% and see if people consider using it. If not, raise it again till it's worth it.
Reinforced 16% @ Gold. Increase it to 25% and see if people consider using it. If not, raise it again till it's worth it.

You get the point. FINE TUNE the numbers so the other traits become valuable. IT'S THAT EASY!

Gordon906

Nirnhoned is just reinforced but a bit better and much more expensive. But no one even use reinforced these day?

mariskaas

Gordon906 wrote: »

Nirnhoned is just reinforced but a bit better and much more expensive. But no one even use reinforced these day?

I use two reinforced pieces on my tank. But to be honest just because I was too lazy to farm after a while and decided to just swap them out when I run into better traits x)

redspecter23

AFrostWolf wrote: »

It boggles my mind on how the other traits are considered garbage and ZOS never thought of fine tuning them....

Prosperous 8.5% @ Gold. Increase this to 15% and see if people would consider using it. If not, raise it again till it's worth it.
Infused 20% @ Gold. Increase this to 50% and see if people consider using it. If not, raise it again till it's worth it.
Reinforced 16% @ Gold. Increase it to 25% and see if people consider using it. If not, raise it again till it's worth it.

You get the point. FINE TUNE the numbers so the other traits become valuable. IT'S THAT EASY!

I like the way this guy thinks. ZOS, do this. Fine tune your trait numbers every update. Maybe not quite as drastic as posted here but do SOMETHING. Sharpened BiS is getting very old now. Divines (pve), Impen (pvp) is also getting old. Going hunting for weapons and armor and only needing 1 out of 8 or 9 potential drops is infuriating. Why do so many traits have to be bad?

qsnoopyjr

My question was, if people use crit defense for pvp, why does no one use crit attack for weapon?

Why no one even go reinforced for pvp if everyone is going sharpened?

@AFrostWolf they will decrease sharpened and impen, not raise other traits.
People already die fast enough, rather have someone kill me in a combo of attacks than get one trick pony all day.

I think for infused to be better is by making the actual proc on stuff better, use up more, drains fast.
The trait that makes enchantments stronger, well enchantments are garbage right now, they need to make better enchantments.

In my mind, a lot of stuff isnt right, like enchantments arent that great.
I mean on a VMA weapon... You'd want the sharpened trait over the trait that makes enchantments better??? I guess that VMA weapon trait isnt that great than, if u chose sharpened.

Prosperus, that trait should increase pickpocket rarity. Full prosperus gear, I should be getting blues a lot more than usual
Prosperus should be a thieve PvE type trait

neverwalk

time taken to learn all traits vs reward is small, wake up zos.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

My question was, if people use crit defense for pvp, why does no one use crit attack for weapon?

Why no one even go reinforced for pvp if everyone is going sharpened?

@AFrostWolf they will decrease sharpened and impen, not raise other traits.
People already die fast enough, rather have someone kill me in a combo of attacks than get one trick pony all day.

I think for infused to be better is by making the actual proc on stuff better, use up more, drains fast.
The trait that makes enchantments stronger, well enchantments are garbage right now, they need to make better enchantments.

In my mind, a lot of stuff isnt right, like enchantments arent that great.
I mean on a VMA weapon... You'd want the sharpened trait over the trait that makes enchantments better??? I guess that VMA weapon trait isnt that great than, if u chose sharpened.

Prosperus, that trait should increase pickpocket rarity. Full prosperus gear, I should be getting blues a lot more than usual
Prosperus should be a thieve PvE type trait

Think of it this way, why go for more chance of a crit (precise) if everyone is already aiming for more defence against crits (impen)? When you can go more damage (penetration) which makes non crit moves hit harder and also your crit moves hit much harder with this over precise.

Only exception to penetration is shielded targets but when their shields are down and their CCd it's game over usually.

Narvuntien

Traits really do need a buff the grind is exacerbated by so many traits being terrible.

I think well-fitted needs to lower the cost of break free as well.
I mean it will still suck but it would suck as much.

Infused is kind of best for hybrid so you can run infused tri stat enchant. It might see more play if hybrid was better.

Divines is probably going to need a little nerf or perhaps a nerf to the stones its just better for whatever you are doing a lot of the time.

Nirnhorned should give spell resist again, I get that it was OP but mag damage is really strong atm. Then Re-enforced blocks more physical damage and Nirn both.

Gordon906

mariskaas wrote: »

Gordon906 wrote: »

Nirnhoned is just reinforced but a bit better and much more expensive. But no one even use reinforced these day?

I use two reinforced pieces on my tank. But to be honest just because I was too lazy to farm after a while and decided to just swap them out when I run into better traits x)

Most people go with infused for shield, helmet, leg and chest, sturdy for shoulder, hand, feet, and waist but that is the best tank set up for pve. Some go reinforced or nirnhoned on shield but sturdy and infused are the most important for reduced block cost and resource pools. Impenetrable for pvp.

TL DR: Infused for big piece or reinforced for shield and sturdy for small pieces.

I just buy things from guildstores when im too lazy to farm :P

IcyDeadPeople

You are kind of mixing up the armor and weapon traits, but I agree, there are a lot of traits that need some buff to compete with Impen, Sturdy, Divines (on armor) and Sharpened, Defending (on weapon).

Well-fitted on armor, Nirnhoned on armor/weapon and Infused on the weapon have some use for certain kinds of builds, but I think all three need a buff, especially Nirnhoned, which should be special because it is so rare. Maybe there is some build that benefits from precise trait as well, but I'm not familiar with it. Do healers use powered trait? Maybe they use precise on resto more often for crit?

Decisive, charged, precise, reinforced and prosperous all need a significant buff to be useful, viable alternatives.

qsnoopyjr

So basically, Precise is not BiS for PvE, Sharpened is.
Precise is not BiS for PvP, Sharpened is.
Precise is not BiS for trails/raids/dungeons, Sharpened is.

Precise BiS for anything? Precise better than Sharpened at anything?
Let me guess, Sharpened also beats Nirnhoned. Making Nirnhoned in the same boat as Precise.