15 Min dungeon kick/Leave queue timer

djdc1234

( Do you like it ? is the poll question. )

The_Conquerer

no

what is the purpose of it? thats my question

RebornV3x

no

It's not a bad idea but it needs tweaking the 15 minutes penalty shouldn't take effect until the first boss is killed or after 5 minutes people should be punished for leaving mid dungeon but the way it is now is dumb

KeiruNicrom

yes

With the current grouping system it works. Punish those that group up then immediately leave. If they dont want to get with randoms for some dungeoneering then they shouldnt use group finder at all

theher0not

The first leaver should get the CD. But not anyone leaving after (at least not as long as the GF hasn't found a replacement, once it does I feel like it should affect the next leaver).


Basicly: if the group is full it will affect the first leaver but as long as the group isn't full anyone should be able to leave and reque without the cooldown.

Kicks I am not sure about, I think they have to treat the kicked the same way as a leaver or else people will start troll to get kicked to avoid the cooldown. (They should also add a 2 minute grace period where noone can be kicked to reduce the risk of someone getting kicked just for having low CP)

Argruna

yes

It's fine the way it is. In fact, it's set up similar to World of Warcraft's timer. *GASP* I know shocking right? Except Warcraft's timer is set up that you get the penalty until the first boss is down and then can drop/kick group with no penalty. And lord I HATED IT. Damn group could be going smoother than Rob Thomas singing smooth and get that boss down no prob...tank gone, healer gone, gotta queue dungeon again and wait. Tank, healer show up...and leave because first boss is down. Queue again. Dps leaves. Queue again. Now a dungeon that could have taken maybe 15+min to complete has actually gone on for almost an hour or more because the first boss is down and that means no penalty. And that is why Warcraft had to add those shiny Call To Arms bags as incentive to have people actually finish a damn dungeon.

So I love ESO's no matter if it's at the beginning, the middle, or the end, if you get kicked or leave, you get a 15 minute penalty. I actually want a building penalty on leavers that the more you leave dungeons, the higher the penalty, ie 15min, 30min, etc. Kicks can stay at the 15 min penalty.

Forgot to mention that Warcraft also had to add a kick timer to people kicking because it got horrid. Guild groups kicking dps until they got a class or one with uber gear. Kicking tanks until they got one they liked because some tanks were squishier than others. That in turn caused people to act a fool in LFR (Looking for Raid) so that they got kicked to the point where...they couldn't be kicked anymore. Nothing like getting 40 people together, most spending at least an hour in queue already only to find they can't kick the hunter that keeps pulling and misdirecting the raid boss onto random people who then proceeded to use feign death and do it over and over again. Or having that one hunter who wouldn't take aspect of pack off (causes dazed when struck) and having the rest of the raid decide that they are gonna kick all the hunters because they didn't want to spend the time figuring out which hunter was the ***.

akl77

no

No it suck, should be 5 min. 5 min can mean punishment and can be long for players.

O_LYKOS

no

I cant imagine many people liking it.

Personally, I recommend they change it. If you're kicked from the group you do NOT have to wait out the timer. But, if you leave then you have to wait for the timer. If you're not willing to put up with potential "noobs" and offer help instead of throwing a tantrum because you didn't get the speed run you were hoping for you shouldn't be in group finder imo.

Tasear

no

RebornV3x wrote: »

It's not a bad idea but it needs tweaking the 15 minutes penalty shouldn't take effect until the first boss is killed or after 5 minutes people should be punished for leaving mid dungeon but the way it is now is dumb

Okay it was implemented because healers and tanks got instant queued and could pick and choose.

I have to say 15mins is a bit overkill or should give some leaway to humanity if group sucks or you get kicked.

alexkdd99

yes

O_LYKOS wrote: »

I cant imagine many people liking it.

Personally, I recommend they change it. If you're kicked from the group you do NOT have to wait out the timer. But, if you leave then you have to wait for the timer. If you're not willing to put up with potential "noobs" and offer help instead of throwing a tantrum because you didn't get the speed run you were hoping for you shouldn't be in group finder imo.

So that people can just troll until the group is forced to kick them to avoid the timer? If people would only join dungeons they can handle this wouldn't really be an issue.

Another issue is not all normal dungeons are the same difficulty, same with veteran. So the big exp boost attracts newer players to random dungeon finder which puts people in dungeons they aren't prepared for.

Jimbullbee85

no

RebornV3x wrote: »

It's not a bad idea but it needs tweaking the 15 minutes penalty shouldn't take effect until the first boss is killed or after 5 minutes people should be punished for leaving mid dungeon but the way it is now is dumb

Yup totally agree with this There's nothing worse (when on a low level character) than getting kicked before the dungeon even starts.

malcolmhagger

no

There have been times after waiting what is usally a long time for group only to be kicked as soon I get in one and then I'm penalized with a timer. I don't understand

Jimbullbee85

no

alexkdd99 wrote: »

O_LYKOS wrote: »

I cant imagine many people liking it.

Personally, I recommend they change it. If you're kicked from the group you do NOT have to wait out the timer. But, if you leave then you have to wait for the timer. If you're not willing to put up with potential "noobs" and offer help instead of throwing a tantrum because you didn't get the speed run you were hoping for you shouldn't be in group finder imo.

So that people can just troll until the group is forced to kick them to avoid the timer? If people would only join dungeons they can handle this wouldn't really be an issue.

Another issue is not all normal dungeons are the same difficulty, same with veteran. So the big exp boost attracts newer players to random dungeon finder which puts people in dungeons they aren't prepared for.

What does it matter if someone leaves before it starts? One click of a button opens up the queue again.

Jimbullbee85

no

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

O_LYKOS wrote: »

I cant imagine many people liking it.

Personally, I recommend they change it. If you're kicked from the group you do NOT have to wait out the timer. But, if you leave then you have to wait for the timer. If you're not willing to put up with potential "noobs" and offer help instead of throwing a tantrum because you didn't get the speed run you were hoping for you shouldn't be in group finder imo.

So that people can just troll until the group is forced to kick them to avoid the timer? If people would only join dungeons they can handle this wouldn't really be an issue.

Another issue is not all normal dungeons are the same difficulty, same with veteran. So the big exp boost attracts newer players to random dungeon finder which puts people in dungeons they aren't prepared for.

What does it matter if someone leaves before it starts? One click of a button opens up the queue again.

Sorry replied to wrong one hah

kyle.wilson

yes

If a player is kicked before reaching the first boss they shouldn't get a timer.
But, the players that kicked them should get a 24 hour timer till they can queue again. That would stop the endless crying about being kicked from groups upon grouping. They should also get the timer if they drop group.
If you want to do a random, accept that sometimes its not going to be ideal.

Tommy_The_Gun

no

Currently when you are kicked you have to wait 10 min. Often this system is abused and people just kick healers or tanks or just people who are first time in a specific dungeon and don't know mechanics yet.

theultimatewarrior

no

I like how u join a random group nowedays but that group has finished u get teleported just to see everything kill m usually just one person remaining or u get telported into the dungeon to be teleported out. . Or u get invited n for some no reason u get kicked maybe low cp? N u get penalty. Not ur fault for beeing kicked.

Argruna

yes

kyle.wilson wrote: »

If a player is kicked before reaching the first boss they shouldn't get a timer.
But, the players that kicked them should get a 24 hour timer till they can queue again. That would stop the endless crying about being kicked from groups upon grouping. They should also get the timer if they drop group.
If you want to do a random, accept that sometimes its not going to be ideal.

Wait. So 3 other people should be penalized if someone trolls the dungeon. That'd just make things a hundred times worse. Oh we have a healer that's not healing at all, a person who is clearly dps queued as tank and is dying at the drop of a hate or someone with their finger up their nose afking for most the dungeon. So I'd have to sit there and go, god I really want to get this done but lord the tank is using a bow and dies if a squirrel farts. The other dps and I is trying their best to make up for this, along with the healer but we are basically just 3-manning this. We should kick....if I do that though, I won't be able to do another dungeon and I have no idea if they all queued together or not. I'll just drop group.

So punish the people that kick, who gives a damn whether it was legit or not.

No. I said this in my comment above. Warcraft made a kick timer for both the kicker and the kickee. Ever sit in a long queue as dps because you wanted to farm mats while waiting only to get into a dungeon with a rogue that would run ahead, aggro everything, run back to the group and wipe the whole group? Ever get a whisper from the other 3 people saying we CAN'T KICK HIM and you try only to find, ya you can't kick him either? Yep, drop group because troll don't care, they are getting a kick out of it.

If you are ever being kicked repeatedly for a random queue dungeon, QUEUE WITH GUILDIES/FRIENDS. Dear lord you can join 5 guilds in this game. Why not try talking to the people in them? Not that hard to say hi. Not that hard to ask for help. The other people are needed for the vote to kick and your guildy/friend can hit no. Simple as that.

Ep1kMalware

no

We all saw this comming. Buggy group tool with a built in autoban.

idk

yes

There should always be a lockout when someone leaves a group though it should not occur if they are kicked.

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djdc1234

no

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

djdc1234 wrote: »

Bump for a fix

Please do not bump threads. Mods have closed threads for this reason.

There should always be a lockout when someone leaves a group though it should not occur if they are kicked.

ill make sure to follow you around you are right about the kick part for sure

mariskaas

Yes and no. It's good to have a cooldown for insta-leavers but I also got it a few times when the disband instead of form error occurred which is not cool x) So if they make that bug go away i'm all for it.

Grabmoore

mariskaas wrote: »

Yes and no. It's good to have a cooldown for insta-leavers but I also got it a few times when the disband instead of form error occurred which is not cool x) So if they make that bug go away i'm all for it.

This, plus make the timer account wide, so people can't just switch to another char.

If the bug gets fixed, there will be no reason at all to leave a group instantly.

Stovahkiin

no

KeiruNicrom wrote: »

With the current grouping system it works. Punish those that group up then immediately leave. If they dont want to get with randoms for some dungeoneering then they shouldnt use group finder at all

The problem is that the timer also applies to people who get kicked at the very beginning of a dungeon, just because the other people think they're too low level or something.

Liley

no

most stupid thing ever. You get a cool down when you get kicked out of the group. Or when you leave the group, because two others left before. So you get punished for something that you didn't cause.

zaria

theher0not wrote: »

The first leaver should get the CD. But not anyone leaving after (at least not as long as the GF hasn't found a replacement, once it does I feel like it should affect the next leaver).


Basicly: if the group is full it will affect the first leaver but as long as the group isn't full anyone should be able to leave and reque without the cooldown.

Kicks I am not sure about, I think they have to treat the kicked the same way as a leaver or else people will start troll to get kicked to avoid the cooldown. (They should also add a 2 minute grace period where noone can be kicked to reduce the risk of someone getting kicked just for having low CP)

I might want an kick limit, no punishment on the one getting kicked.
Now if you get kicked a lot that changes it, here its likely that you use light armor and bow on both bars and queue as healer and tank
Statistic, people who get kicked a lot does something very wrong, people who kick a lot have to high expectations.

djdc1234

no

What i really hate is when a new guy or gal Qs up as a healer and tank or something they are not, then complains when the other 3 vote them out. or when a newby Qs for a vet gets rekt and expects to be carried. when the other 3 need that spot for someone who can work with the group.

when i was a lower CP and Qed for a Vet and wondered why im being kicked all the time lol now i know why . but had that timer and would just log off instead of waiting around. some more restrictions on Vet should help that not happen as much.