Crown Anti-Experience Scroll

W0lf_z13

Currently I am leveling a new character for PvP ( mainly BwB ) and using my low level alts to farm for gear for him, and it got me thinking. With how long it sometimes takes to farm gear, and how by the time you acquire a few pieces of a set at low level soon those pieces are going to be under level. And with how there are the Crown Experience scrolls in the crown store, personally I would love to have a scroll that did the exact opposite of these current scrolls.... an "Anti" Experience scroll where for x amount of time ( be it the 2 hours that the normal crown exp scrolls are or less ) where you receive -%50 or even -25% exp points. Any thoughts on this?

danno8

Yah LotRO has these xp disablers. That game is coming up on 10 years old and has so much content that anyone who is new to it finds themselves out levelling the content so fast they are 10 levels above any mobs they run into.

Many people who want to experience the storylines (which are generally excellent) and learn how to use their character use these things in order to have an at least on-level experience.

Not sure how necessary it is in this game, but I would be all for the option for people to use it.

AFrostWolf

They really just need to let us lock ourself from gaining XP for a 1 time fee, Crowns or gold. Then when we are ready to move on we can pay again to go back to normal.

Dagoth_Rac

Will be exploited instantly so that Level 45+ players in BwB with lots of skills and passives and unlocks can stay in BwB as long as possible without hitting 50 and demolish lower level players. Right now, this is self-limiting because high level players in BwB hit Level 50 quickly and get kicked out of BwB. BwB needs to be friendlier to new players, not more punishing as twinked-out alts from long-time, experienced players stay in BwB longer.

W0lf_z13

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Will be exploited instantly so that Level 45+ players in BwB with lots of skills and passives and unlocks can stay in BwB as long as possible without hitting 50 and demolish lower level players. Right now, this is self-limiting because high level players in BwB hit Level 50 quickly and get kicked out of BwB. BwB needs to be friendlier to new players, not more punishing as twinked-out alts from long-time, experienced players stay in BwB longer.

very true, the only way i could see it working is if they did not work in cyro

SquareSausage

no

Nestor

A good strategy would be to roll a character, put some good gear on them and grind each zone or one zone in 10 level chunks. Collect the good gear for say L10 to L12, then say L20 to L22, then L30 to L32 or whatever, then delete that character. Repeat with another one doing the same thing. Probably two or three of these will have you in Impenetrable or Divines of two 5 Piece Dropped Sets for each of the 10 levels. Or what ever level stratification you deem necessary. Store the gear on a mule.

Then you can have a set of gear for each level group in PvP

Taleof2Cities

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Will be exploited instantly so that Level 45+ players in BwB with lots of skills and passives and unlocks can stay in BwB as long as possible without hitting 50 and demolish lower level players. Right now, this is self-limiting because high level players in BwB hit Level 50 quickly and get kicked out of BwB. BwB needs to be friendlier to new players, not more punishing as twinked-out alts from long-time, experienced players stay in BwB longer.

Agreed, there are too many "lifers" in BwB that don't graduate to vet PvP.

I could list the @names in all three Alliances on NA PC ... but that would go against naming and shaming in the forums.

Just last week there was one prominent BwB DC player (who has already been emporer) asking for several tiers of crafted gear in Stormhaven zone chat. Really? Just so you can be a bigger whale in Blackwater Blade??

I think the rate of XP earned in non-vet Cyrodiil is just fine ... even for players like me who are ESO+.

SquareSausage

Its like how back in WoW, youd have 'Twinks' who sat at 1 level below the level cap for the battlegrounds with BiS gear and just totally sylvester Stapwned everyone.

id say to OP, just level to CP160 then you can keep that gear forever.

CountEdmondDantes

As a new player to the game, I'm curious about this myself. There seem to be dozens of sets in the game (where a set is an armor collection that gives unique buffs - the Trainee set or the Death's Wind set). Some are crafted at special stations; some drop. Okay, I got that.

But with limited bank space, and the speed at which the game levels even without an experience buff, why should I bother hoarding any of these armor sets? As I understand it (and I could be wrong), the armor cap is CP160 for drops, and once one of my characters gets to CP160, all of my characters are at CP160 (well, after they burn through the first 50 levels).

If all the sets that drop are leveled, then when I get to CP160, I start collecting the sets I want then, correct? Because once I'm there, all those lower level sets I've been hoarding won't even of use to me.

Am I missing something? Right now, I'm just wearing whatever I find. (I have one character at level 12-ish).

Moglijuana

SquareSausage wrote: »

Its like how back in WoW, youd have 'Twinks' who sat at 1 level below the level cap for the battlegrounds with BiS gear and just totally sylvester Stapwned everyone.

id say to OP, just level to CP160 then you can keep that gear forever.

Twinks were so fun though lol

Everstorm

CountEdmondDantes wrote: »

As a new player to the game, I'm curious about this myself. There seem to be dozens of sets in the game (where a set is an armor collection that gives unique buffs - the Trainee set or the Death's Wind set). Some are crafted at special stations; some drop. Okay, I got that.

But with limited bank space, and the speed at which the game levels even without an experience buff, why should I bother hoarding any of these armor sets? As I understand it (and I could be wrong), the armor cap is CP160 for drops, and once one of my characters gets to CP160, all of my characters are at CP160 (well, after they burn through the first 50 levels).

If all the sets that drop are leveled, then when I get to CP160, I start collecting the sets I want then, correct? Because once I'm there, all those lower level sets I've been hoarding won't even of use to me.

Am I missing something? Right now, I'm just wearing whatever I find. (I have one character at level 12-ish).

If you plan on multiple character, and why wouldn't you, then the best advice I can give you is to pick up crafting. Much more convenient when you can make a new set of gear every X lvl than trying to get a full set of dropped gear under cp 160.

W0lf_z13

SquareSausage wrote: »

Its like how back in WoW, youd have 'Twinks' who sat at 1 level below the level cap for the battlegrounds with BiS gear and just totally sylvester Stapwned everyone.

id say to OP, just level to CP160 then you can keep that gear forever.

im at 564cp currently, but i play in all campaigns due to having friends in all campaigns, my PvP guild ( Pugz of Daggerfall ) trains new players in Cyro on a regular basis

jcaceresw

They should remove Battlescaling in PVP. Its the only way to avoid such things like the Crown Anti XP Scroll you propose and to fix those issues with low level players outperforming high ones.

If a low level player goes to Cyrodiil is at his/her own risk. Note: I dont like to PVP but I have experienced the issue with people overpowered by the battescale system.

Minalan

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Will be exploited instantly so that Level 45+ players in BwB with lots of skills and passives and unlocks can stay in BwB as long as possible without hitting 50 and demolish lower level players. Right now, this is self-limiting because high level players in BwB hit Level 50 quickly and get kicked out of BwB. BwB needs to be friendlier to new players, not more punishing as twinked-out alts from long-time, experienced players stay in BwB longer.

Agreed, there are too many "lifers" in BwB that don't graduate to vet PvP.

I could list the @names in all three Alliances on NA PC ... but that would go against naming and shaming in the forums.

Just last week there was one prominent BwB DC player (who has already been emporer) asking for several tiers of crafted gear in Stormhaven zone chat. Really? Just so you can be a bigger whale in Blackwater Blade??

I think the rate of XP earned in non-vet Cyrodiil is just fine ... even for players like me who are ESO+.

That's pathetic. They can't win against experienced people, so they go compete against new players to feel like big boys.

Sorry. BWB is like wearing training diapers. Once you learn how to use the potty you need to stop wearing them and GTFO. Please tell the "whales" how pathetic they are.

Stridig

Minalan wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Will be exploited instantly so that Level 45+ players in BwB with lots of skills and passives and unlocks can stay in BwB as long as possible without hitting 50 and demolish lower level players. Right now, this is self-limiting because high level players in BwB hit Level 50 quickly and get kicked out of BwB. BwB needs to be friendlier to new players, not more punishing as twinked-out alts from long-time, experienced players stay in BwB longer.

Agreed, there are too many "lifers" in BwB that don't graduate to vet PvP.

I could list the @names in all three Alliances on NA PC ... but that would go against naming and shaming in the forums.

Just last week there was one prominent BwB DC player (who has already been emporer) asking for several tiers of crafted gear in Stormhaven zone chat. Really? Just so you can be a bigger whale in Blackwater Blade??

I think the rate of XP earned in non-vet Cyrodiil is just fine ... even for players like me who are ESO+.

That's pathetic. They can't win against experienced people, so they go compete against new players to feel like big boys.

Sorry. BWB is like wearing training diapers. Once you learn how to use the potty you need to stop wearing them and GTFO. Please tell the "whales" how pathetic they are.

Many people in BwB are experienced players who can compete anywhere. There are very few "new" players in BwB. One can just as easily say that playing with CP is like wearing diapers. Take those diapers off and they become much less competitive. There's always two side to the coin.

Nestor

CountEdmondDantes wrote: »

As a new player to the game, I'm curious about this myself. There seem to be dozens of sets in the game (where a set is an armor collection that gives unique buffs - the Trainee set or the Death's Wind set). Some are crafted at special stations; some drop. Okay, I got that.

Am I missing something? Right now, I'm just wearing whatever I find. (I have one character at level 12-ish).

@CountEdmondDantes

I think I sent you the requested invite for Lone Wolf Help this morning.

First, for a leveling character, yep, pretty much wear what ever you find. It's all good. Gear only matters in that your wearing it.

My strategy for leveling characters is to have 5 crafted 5 piece sets that suit them either being a magic set or a stamina set. I have a set for L6, L10, L20, L30 and L40. This takes up 50 Bag Slots on a mule to store. Once I hit L50 I am at CP rank so I then use end game gear. I store them on a storage mule. Then, I grab whatever pieces I can from various zones for the dropped sets. Sometimes I keep these pieces, sometimes I vendor them when I am over leveled for them and have found new pieces.

vamp_emily

I've been playing in TF the last few weeks and I really think they need training diapers.

Ojustaboo

I asked for the option of disabling XP from the first week I started playing. seemed I was in the minority.

Although 1T has solved my main problem where I was constantly outleveling areas before I got to quest in them.

Fodore

Yes. But have I so it only works like this in anywhere but cyrodiil. In cyrodiil it should be a 50% reduction or something to stop people locking toons at a high level in BWB like someone pointed out.

Fodore

Minalan wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Will be exploited instantly so that Level 45+ players in BwB with lots of skills and passives and unlocks can stay in BwB as long as possible without hitting 50 and demolish lower level players. Right now, this is self-limiting because high level players in BwB hit Level 50 quickly and get kicked out of BwB. BwB needs to be friendlier to new players, not more punishing as twinked-out alts from long-time, experienced players stay in BwB longer.

Agreed, there are too many "lifers" in BwB that don't graduate to vet PvP.

I could list the @names in all three Alliances on NA PC ... but that would go against naming and shaming in the forums.

Just last week there was one prominent BwB DC player (who has already been emporer) asking for several tiers of crafted gear in Stormhaven zone chat. Really? Just so you can be a bigger whale in Blackwater Blade??

I think the rate of XP earned in non-vet Cyrodiil is just fine ... even for players like me who are ESO+.

That's pathetic. They can't win against experienced people, so they go compete against new players to feel like big boys.

Sorry. BWB is like wearing training diapers. Once you learn how to use the potty you need to stop wearing them and GTFO. Please tell the "whales" how pathetic they are.

Actually no. I pvp in BWB on eu with a dedicated BWB group. Many more people have moved to BWB since proc sets are almost never seen, and op monster helm sets are not seen regularly. Make a no monster helm set pvp campaign and I'm in. Preferable to this is the introduction of jewellery crafting and making a crafted items only campaign. That's my real wish

AFrostWolf

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Will be exploited instantly so that Level 45+ players in BwB with lots of skills and passives and unlocks can stay in BwB as long as possible without hitting 50 and demolish lower level players. Right now, this is self-limiting because high level players in BwB hit Level 50 quickly and get kicked out of BwB. BwB needs to be friendlier to new players, not more punishing as twinked-out alts from long-time, experienced players stay in BwB longer.

Agreed, there are too many "lifers" in BwB that don't graduate to vet PvP.

I could list the @names in all three Alliances on NA PC ... but that would go against naming and shaming in the forums.

Just last week there was one prominent BwB DC player (who has already been emporer) asking for several tiers of crafted gear in Stormhaven zone chat. Really? Just so you can be a bigger whale in Blackwater Blade??

I think the rate of XP earned in non-vet Cyrodiil is just fine ... even for players like me who are ESO+.

It's not our fault that BWB is the only fun PvP campaign. Sure people will lock their alt in, but overtime it would balance out as more and more people join them. Re-rolling is a pain in the ass.

ookami007

Pers

Fodore wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Will be exploited instantly so that Level 45+ players in BwB with lots of skills and passives and unlocks can stay in BwB as long as possible without hitting 50 and demolish lower level players. Right now, this is self-limiting because high level players in BwB hit Level 50 quickly and get kicked out of BwB. BwB needs to be friendlier to new players, not more punishing as twinked-out alts from long-time, experienced players stay in BwB longer.

Agreed, there are too many "lifers" in BwB that don't graduate to vet PvP.

I could list the @names in all three Alliances on NA PC ... but that would go against naming and shaming in the forums.

Just last week there was one prominent BwB DC player (who has already been emporer) asking for several tiers of crafted gear in Stormhaven zone chat. Really? Just so you can be a bigger whale in Blackwater Blade??

I think the rate of XP earned in non-vet Cyrodiil is just fine ... even for players like me who are ESO+.

That's pathetic. They can't win against experienced people, so they go compete against new players to feel like big boys.

Sorry. BWB is like wearing training diapers. Once you learn how to use the potty you need to stop wearing them and GTFO. Please tell the "whales" how pathetic they are.

Actually no. I pvp in BWB on eu with a dedicated BWB group. Many more people have moved to BWB since proc sets are almost never seen, and op monster helm sets are not seen regularly. Make a no monster helm set pvp campaign and I'm in. Preferable to this is the introduction of jewellery crafting and making a crafted items only campaign. That's my real wish

I'll do you one better... NAKED CYRODIL! No armor, no weapons... just big fist fights and skill slinging. Only real variables are pots and food...

W0lf_z13

ookami007 wrote: »

I'll do you one better... NAKED CYRODIL! No armor, no weapons... just big fist fights and skill slinging. Only real variables are pots and food...

lol THAT would be hilarious... nice name btw ... i used to have a character named Ookami of Blackwater

Adenoma

I would do naked cyrodiil.

@Taleof2Cities , I don't know if you're on PC/NA but I'm definitely a BwB twink. I've played all campaigns and I play on a mac (my school gave it for free and I'm thrifty). If I play TF i crash and can't PvP. I enjoy playing in Haderus and I haven't noticed that i fare any worse there than in BwB, but it's a weird environment and I don't have many friends in there. The average PvP player in Azura's is worse than BwB because they typically seem to wait to hit CP 160 to go into Cyrodiil so they have no idea what to do. Many people in BwB have PvP'd before and are playing an alt that is new and intend on carrying it through to vet.

I like BwB because you have a no CP environment where you do not have full availability of skills and have to make builds based on a limited toolkit. In my opinion, I find that more stimulating and more of a theory craft challenge than vet characters. For example, you could have radiant but maybe not channeled focus as well - so how do you fix your sustain? To me that's thought provoking and lends itself to unique solutions.

And although I've been seeing more viper and think it's silly, for the most part this is a crafted set campaign. I know that I pretty much only fight with crafted sets. I like the low monetary commitment that let's you fiddle with sets frequently.

Also, it's really cool to educate new players. I am a co-GM for a AD small scale PvP guild and we've had a lot of success in BwB. Some members stick around in the campaign and others move on to vet. It's really cool to have been the person that taught them something about PvP and saw the beginning of that excitement.

If all that is still problematic for you, then hate away. Feel free to tell me how I choose to have fun with other people is pathetic, @Minalan . I don't think most of us will be bothered either way.

Minalan

Stridig wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Will be exploited instantly so that Level 45+ players in BwB with lots of skills and passives and unlocks can stay in BwB as long as possible without hitting 50 and demolish lower level players. Right now, this is self-limiting because high level players in BwB hit Level 50 quickly and get kicked out of BwB. BwB needs to be friendlier to new players, not more punishing as twinked-out alts from long-time, experienced players stay in BwB longer.

Agreed, there are too many "lifers" in BwB that don't graduate to vet PvP.

I could list the @names in all three Alliances on NA PC ... but that would go against naming and shaming in the forums.

Just last week there was one prominent BwB DC player (who has already been emporer) asking for several tiers of crafted gear in Stormhaven zone chat. Really? Just so you can be a bigger whale in Blackwater Blade??

I think the rate of XP earned in non-vet Cyrodiil is just fine ... even for players like me who are ESO+.

That's pathetic. They can't win against experienced people, so they go compete against new players to feel like big boys.

Sorry. BWB is like wearing training diapers. Once you learn how to use the potty you need to stop wearing them and GTFO. Please tell the "whales" how pathetic they are.

Many people in BwB are experienced players who can compete anywhere. There are very few "new" players in BwB. One can just as easily say that playing with CP is like wearing diapers. Take those diapers off and they become much less competitive. There's always two side to the coin.

Actually, I used to PVP all of the time in Azuras. Before the massive DC zergs made it unplayable for other factions. So I took my DC Main to TF and kept my EP nightblade on AZ.

There are plenty of new players on BWB, I'm sorry if the truth hurts. Come play with the big boys.

I'm sorry if the gameplay on Azuras Star and Trueflame isn't all clubbing seals.

Stridig

I would like some of these people to come show us how pathetic we are. Anyway, I would like to see some sort of system that would make the grind for gear less grindy. I currently have 6 toons that are all 5 levels apart on my second account just for gear purposes. For example: I may have a level 20 toon waiting to gear up. In that case I will jump on a level 15 toon and grind gear until level 20. It's pretty painstaking but it works until a better system is put in place.

Adenoma

You make it sound like such a treat to play with you. I'll be sure to abandon my guild, stop teaching new players, and start thumping my chest so I can be a big boy.

Relevant to the topic - I don't think this is a good idea. I'm opposed to any sort of XP stoppage because then this just becomes vet to me. Overland sets sort of defeat the point of BwB to me. I'm not going to PvE to PvP. I already want to shoot myself whenever I do a dungeon.

W0lf_z13

lol @Adenoma i know u usually rather run all crafted gear ... felt like trying something new with the new toon though ...usually i run 1 crafted 1 dropped

Taleof2Cities

Adenoma wrote: »

I don't think most of us will be bothered either way.

If it doesn't bother you, then why did you prepare a multi-paragraph essay in response to my post??

Adenoma wrote: »

@Taleof2Cities , I don't know if you're on PC/NA but I'm definitely a BwB twink. I've played all campaigns and I play on a mac (my school gave it for free and I'm thrifty). If I play TF i crash and can't PvP. I enjoy playing in Haderus and I haven't noticed that i fare any worse there than in BwB, but it's a weird environment and I don't have many friends in there. The average PvP player in Azura's is worse than BwB because they typically seem to wait to hit CP 160 to go into Cyrodiil so they have no idea what to do. Many people in BwB have PvP'd before and are playing an alt that is new and intend on carrying it through to vet.

This is a pretty feeble reply to justify or rationalize a whale in BwB.

First of all, you like non-CP campaigns ... but absolutely abhor Azura's because the player-base is worse than BwB? Seriously?? There are some pretty good guilds there ... and I hope those guilds are reading this thread and getting a good laugh at how the "average player" is worse in that campaign versus BwB.

Second, how is playing as a pro player in BwB even challenging? There are posts in this very thread from new players who can't even muster a complete five-piece set to PvP in. My example above was a DC seasoned player (former Emporer) who was asking for specific level tiers of 5-piece Hunding's and NMG to increase his power creep. Is that the kind of power creep you like also??

Probably doesn't bother you either.

So, I invite you to look through the smokescreen of your own personality and gaming mentality ... and objectively evaluate the maturity level of this type of gameplay.

Victimize

Minalan wrote: »

Come play with the big boys

All the "big boys" roll poisons, destro ults and proc sets with crazy sustainability due to cp . BwB is more of a challenge compared to cp campaigns like TF, you actually use all your abilities and have to manage your resources while having limited skills and passives.. Also i do play in TF and there are just as many terrible players in TF compared to BwB while playing solo.