Can/Was Cheat Engine be used to modify CP Champion Points?

StackonClown

As the tile says, I wonder if CE was/can be used to modify CP points??
If that's they case, maybe the no CP event also exposed CE exploiters who buffed their CPs.... Hmmmm.

Woopy

From my experience in other games, CE doesn't provide a permanent value, and the value is a 'mask' over the original. I would think ESO has a good safeguard for CE.. and doubt it can even effect the client/your account more than just creating false/temp values.

KingDasDing

CP must be serversided.
If they were client-sided then this game deserved to get manipulated with CE. It's like basic coding

StackonClown

Yes, I know CE values are not permanent, but CE is definitely being used in ESO by exploiters from what a lot of people have said, and I believe Zenny has measures in place to detect exploiting to some extent, but maybe not everything ?

StackonClown

KingDasDing wrote: »

CP must be serversided.
If they were client-sided then this game deserved to get manipulated with CE. It's like basic coding

Well, the static values of CP are of course server sided, but I heard some people saying CP calculations are then handled at runtime on the client side and may be manipulated by CE

ArchMikem

I dont know if people are exploiting a use of more CP, but they definitely are cheating in more than one summoned pet as Sorcs at least.

mesmerizedish

StackonClown wrote: »

KingDasDing wrote: »

CP must be serversided.
If they were client-sided then this game deserved to get manipulated with CE. It's like basic coding

Well, the static values of CP are of course server sided, but I heard some people saying CP calculations are then handled at runtime on the client side and may be manipulated by CE

CP calculations are performed by the server. That fact is at the heart of this no-CP PvP test they're running this week.

zaria

ArchMikem wrote: »

I dont know if people are exploiting a use of more CP, but they definitely are cheating in more than one summoned pet as Sorcs at least.

Sorc can both have the bat woman and the scamp or the clanfear at once. This is not a common or strong build.
One troll tactic is for sorc to have two pets up, all uses non combat pet and the banker and other summonable npc up and spamming buffs simply to generate lag around them, effective if they have an good internet connection and powerful pc.

phairdon

ArchMikem wrote: »

I dont know if people are exploiting a use of more CP, but they definitely are cheating in more than one summoned pet as Sorcs at least.

Both pets can be on the skill bar. I run sorc pet build for pve, with both pets active, clannfear & winged twilight. What would be classified as cheating, would be seeing a sorc with 2 clannfears, 2 volatile familiars or 2 winged twilight's active at the same time.

Muramasa89

phairdon wrote: »

a sorc with 2 clannfears, 2 volatile familiars or 2 winged twilight's active at the same time.

Or 1 clannfear and 1 volatile. But otherwise, it's intended.

SirAndy

Oso wrote: »

From my experience in other games, CE doesn't provide a permanent value, and the value is a 'mask' over the original. I would think ESO has a good safeguard for CE.. and doubt it can even effect the client/your account more than just creating false/temp values.

ESO has horrible client/server code.
In fact, at PC launch most everything was done client side, which is why we had the immediate bot invasion.
Since then, ZOS has patched some of that nightmare but you would be surprised how many values are still calculated client side.

Most anything can be manipulated with CE (or similar programs) since ZOS really never reworked their client/server code.

phairdon

Muramasa89 wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

a sorc with 2 clannfears, 2 volatile familiars or 2 winged twilight's active at the same time.

Or 1 clannfear and 1 volatile. But otherwise, it's intended.

Yes, that too.

FriedEggSandwich

zaria wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I dont know if people are exploiting a use of more CP, but they definitely are cheating in more than one summoned pet as Sorcs at least.

Sorc can both have the bat woman and the scamp or the clanfear at once. This is not a common or strong build.
One troll tactic is for sorc to have two pets up, all uses non combat pet and the banker and other summonable npc up and spamming buffs simply to generate lag around them, effective if they have an good internet connection and powerful pc.

The banker and merchant count as non-combat pets, so you can only have one at a time, and not at the same time as a vanity pet. They all replace each other.

OGLezard

Oso wrote: »

From my experience in other games, CE doesn't provide a permanent value, and the value is a 'mask' over the original. I would think ESO has a good safeguard for CE.. and doubt it can even effect the client/your account more than just creating false/temp values.

You must be new lol CE was exposed, as to how easy it is to use in eso and how many people were abusing it, over Thanksgiving. It has been being used in eso for a looooong time and it is back again. One step forward two steps back for eso security.

During that weekend of infinite meteors, flying people, teleporters, etc etc, zoster took action...somewhat. For a brief moment we had sweet release from the 5 piece CE set.

Woopy

OGLezard wrote: »

Oso wrote: »

From my experience in other games, CE doesn't provide a permanent value, and the value is a 'mask' over the original. I would think ESO has a good safeguard for CE.. and doubt it can even effect the client/your account more than just creating false/temp values.

You must be new lol CE was exposed, as to how easy it is to use in eso and how many people were abusing it, over Thanksgiving. It has been being used in eso for a looooong time and it is back again. One step forward two steps back for eso security.

During that weekend of infinite meteors, flying people, teleporters, etc etc, zoster took action...somewhat. For a brief moment we had sweet release from the 5 piece CE set.

I am new

DHale

Always good for a laugh. People are so fixated on CE. I think most people should focus on getting better an not who you think is using ce but probably isn't.

NBrookus

phairdon wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I dont know if people are exploiting a use of more CP, but they definitely are cheating in more than one summoned pet as Sorcs at least.

Both pets can be on the skill bar. I run sorc pet build for pve, with both pets active, clannfear & winged twilight. What would be classified as cheating, would be seeing a sorc with 2 clannfears, 2 volatile familiars or 2 winged twilight's active at the same time.

There was a bug for a while where pets would double drop sometimes. I say "bug" but some people were clearly exploiting it and making the double drop all the time.

gard

ArchMikem wrote: »

I dont know if people are exploiting a use of more CP, but they definitely are cheating in more than one summoned pet as Sorcs at least.

More than one summoned pet is prefectly valid.
To have a second one, the sorc gives up 2 skill slots.

Or do I misunderstand what you are saying?

StackonClown

SirAndy wrote: »

... but you would be surprised how many values are still calculated client side.

Most anything can be manipulated with CE (or similar programs) since ZOS really never reworked their client/server code.

Sadly this is what I suspect....

Loc2262

gard wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I dont know if people are exploiting a use of more CP, but they definitely are cheating in more than one summoned pet as Sorcs at least.

More than one summoned pet is prefectly valid.
To have a second one, the sorc gives up 2 skill slots.

Or do I misunderstand what you are saying?

You can even have three, if you include the Atronach ultimate.

Bartdude

From what I can gather the lag on the servers started after Zeni put out a patch because of the use of bots etc. Just guessing but the lag we see in Cyroldil could be created by client side checking for Bots and other cheats so those lame people using it would be the ones indirectly responsible for the lag. Zeni coding could be ultimately responsible because you don't see that lag with the likes of PB Anti Cheat. Just a thought....

Solariken

Loc2262 wrote: »

gard wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I dont know if people are exploiting a use of more CP, but they definitely are cheating in more than one summoned pet as Sorcs at least.

More than one summoned pet is prefectly valid.
To have a second one, the sorc gives up 2 skill slots.

Or do I misunderstand what you are saying?

You can even have three, if you include the Atronach ultimate.

You can have 4 if you use Shadowrend, Maw of the Infernal, etc. Those Sorcs are a real pain to duel.

StackonClown

Bartdude wrote: »

From what I can gather the lag on the servers started after Zeni put out a patch because of the use of bots etc. Just guessing but the lag we see in Cyroldil could be created by client side checking for Bots and other cheats so those lame people using it would be the ones indirectly responsible for the lag. Zeni coding could be ultimately responsible because you don't see that lag with the likes of PB Anti Cheat. Just a thought....

Bots are worse than ever and reports seem to go unactioned for weeks, so whatever client side checking for bots Zenny is doing aint helping anyway

AlnilamE

zaria wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I dont know if people are exploiting a use of more CP, but they definitely are cheating in more than one summoned pet as Sorcs at least.

Sorc can both have the bat woman and the scamp or the clanfear at once. This is not a common or strong build.
One troll tactic is for sorc to have two pets up, all uses non combat pet and the banker and other summonable npc up and spamming buffs simply to generate lag around them, effective if they have an good internet connection and powerful pc.

Non-combat pets and the Assistant NPCs do not work in Cyrodiil. If you have sorcs doing this to cause lag in dungeons, you should kick them from your group.