ZoS, admit it, you don't have a decent group finder coder.

Kneighbors

I would have expected for such things as Group Finder actually to improve with the time. There is so much potential like finding random group for trials (with minimum CP filter. Yes yes, to improve end game for everyone, also for pugs who will get more cp one day), making a filter to join as a substitute only etc

Instead of that group finder became simply horrible with Homestead update. As a software dev myself I feel that the dev of GF was simply substandart or really drunk. There's a flood of bugs. No chance he\they didn't notice it during tests. People complaing about it all around the forums. Huge decrease in games played (ya ya because everyone building house right), and ZoS don't even admit there's something wrong.

Well, community got used that Imperial City group finder never worked so I believe it's really only matter of time for people to get used to the new GF. Actually low cp players like that people are getting dragged with them into difficult vet dungeons (or dds queing for tank\heal role)..

I want to use this opportunity to laugh at players who are awaiting Arena. ZoS are not able to do anything good out of their GF for several years, do you really believe you will get a working tool for Arena grouping?

Weasel_Tunneler

GF always worked for me, I can find group in less than 1 minute.

Balamoor

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

GF always worked for me, I can find group in less than 1 minute.

Ditto.

Patouf

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

GF always worked for me, I can find group in less than 1 minute.

Always ? Shadow of a doubt...

*Cloak*

Oreyn_Bearclaw

The biggest issue with wait times is obvious. For every tank queuing there are 50 DPS queuing (made that number up, its probably worse than that to be honest). I have never waited more than a minute when I queue as tank.

Flynch

They should add a fourth option - where you can create or join a group in the dungeon-finder menu which is basically a 'free-for-all'. You can join as any role, but obviously you're warned that you're pretty likely to get wrecked ^^

HatchetHaro

Kneighbors wrote: »

ZoS, admit it, you don't have a decent group finder coder

FTFY

ArrerBoy

Works real fast for me. My problem isn't connection times but the imbalanced parties. High CP players that brook no mistakes mixing with low level players that have no idea what they're doing. It has been improving but I still have parties where the tank, or healer just up and leave the moment we wipe once because we had the audacity of not being a well oiled machine of death.

VinyParsley2016

ZOS said, Yes, U r right. I don't have! So what? We don't care about you!

NewBlacksmurf

It's a lot better but I don't believe it's the coder

I believe it's the rest of the game that causes this issue.

clocksstoppe

It's what happens with huge companies. Individual employees (like the guy in charge of the group finder) can get away with being useless and working nothing for months at a time.

Muramasa89

clocksstoppe wrote: »

It's what happens with huge companies. Individual employees (like the guy in charge of the group finder) can get away with being useless and working nothing for months at a time.

Reminds me of that guy from FONV in Helios One. To quote him "They asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard."

sekou_trayvond

Gotta love folks who claim to be a "developer" which, is ya know, a serious professional position in the world, and proceeds to call their peers "drunk" and offers no substantive advice.

Stay classy.

Kneighbors

sekou_trayvond wrote: »

Gotta love folks who claim to be a "developer" which, is ya know, a serious professional position in the world, and proceeds to call their peers "drunk" and offers no substantive advice.

Stay classy.

Lol man. I can write here a list of at least 10 bugs of a new GF. Do you think I'm going to do it? Leave aside that I don't think I have to be a beta tester for free, I am not sure there's really anyone who will care to look seriously through it.

There were numerous threads complaining on all the different error of new GF, like uncontrollable pulling of players in and out of dungeon, placing 5 players in a dungeon, sub system not working etc.. there were 0 replies of ZoS.

And what about IC group finder? Anyone saw it ever working? Not like I need it. I would prefer to see trials GF.

zaria

My issue is how much issue it is to enter an dungeon as an ready made group.
That should bypass the entire finder. Probably log us in case we need an replacement.

Tasear

Actually I think it's gotten better. I find group finder for vet dungeon is taken consideration of overall CP level and this is a good start.

Had cp69, CP 268, CP 400ish and CP 600 CP and we did Selene without issue. But did a dungeon with CP 19 and inadvertently ask him to leave. Which brings me to my point as other mentioned it's not really CP as much as damage output...CP 600 tank and healer can on gasps on DPS check dungeons, but something more. I think we need training dojos or something or a rating system. If you can pull off 47k DPS or 5k like me this important information for group tactics. But I also think there should be a recommendation for DPS competition for dungeon. We can probably do Banish cells veteran with 15k total DPS but ruins of mazatum needs 40k.

As to say it's DPS fault

* Says the healer

MakoFore

being able to wait in groups and play any role is a good idea,
- being able to filter group requirements,
-
- also rewarding players who dont use as many filters with more xp

Kneighbors

MakoFore wrote: »

being able to wait in groups and play any role is a good idea,
- being able to filter group requirements,
-
- also rewarding players who dont use as many filters with more xp

What you suggest is really nice, and this is the idea of my thread. ZoS simply are not capable to make something like this. It's like asking to pull 400 h.p. out of your old Daewoo

Huyen

The biggest problem I encounter is people thinking they are good enough / know the tactics on vet bosses, but simply dont push enough dps (mostly lower then 7k) or just completely ignore tactics. As healer thats really annoying.

WoW in Warlords of Draenor used to have a Proving Grounds before you could enter the Heroic Dungeons (similar to normals in ESO). Didnt make the Silver Proving Grounds? Then no Heroic Dungeons for you. At least that way they made sure people got a basic understanding of stuff. However, they got rid of it in Legion for some reason (probaly because most kids couldnt make it).

I would really like to see something similar in ESO so we can at least rule out the people that dont give a **** from the dungeons.

HereKittehKitteh

Actually I think the group finder has improved, especially compared to what it used to be. As a DPS I don't wait any longer than five minutes, and usually find a group instantly at peak time. I used to go farming/questing and be waiting at least 30 minutes for a group before homestead.

I however do wish they'd make some changes, like being able to see what dungeon its gonna place you into like you could before homestead, and the cooldown system as well

Sneaky-Snurr

GF does not work for me. What did you think she is? A cheap labour???

Turelus

Kneighbors wrote: »

I would have expected for such things as Group Finder actually to improve with the time. There is so much potential like finding random group for trials (with minimum CP filter. Yes yes, to improve end game for everyone, also for pugs who will get more cp one day), making a filter to join as a substitute only etc

If you want more tailored groups or more requirements use zone chat or join/create a guild.
Group finder is designed as a quick anyone can join PUG system, it's not designed to be a "find me players that fit my expectations and requirements" tool, so as above if you want a group constructed in this way join or create one via a guild or organisation in zone chat.

Kneighbors wrote: »

Instead of that group finder became simply horrible with Homestead update. As a software dev myself I feel that the dev of GF was simply substandart or really drunk. There's a flood of bugs. No chance he\they didn't notice it during tests. People complaing about it all around the forums. Huge decrease in games played (ya ya because everyone building house right), and ZoS don't even admit there's something wrong.

Well if you think you can do better and want to help you can apply here: https://jobs.zenimax.com/requisitions/view/495

notimetocare

Go apply. Easy fix

Kneighbors

Turelus wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

I would have expected for such things as Group Finder actually to improve with the time. There is so much potential like finding random group for trials (with minimum CP filter. Yes yes, to improve end game for everyone, also for pugs who will get more cp one day), making a filter to join as a substitute only etc

If you want more tailored groups or more requirements use zone chat or join/create a guild.
Group finder is designed as a quick anyone can join PUG system, it's not designed to be a "find me players that fit my expectations and requirements" tool, so as above if you want a group constructed in this way join or create one via a guild or organisation in zone chat.

Kneighbors wrote: »

Instead of that group finder became simply horrible with Homestead update. As a software dev myself I feel that the dev of GF was simply substandart or really drunk. There's a flood of bugs. No chance he\they didn't notice it during tests. People complaing about it all around the forums. Huge decrease in games played (ya ya because everyone building house right), and ZoS don't even admit there's something wrong.

Well if you think you can do better and want to help you can apply here: https://jobs.zenimax.com/requisitions/view/495

So no need group finder at all going by your logic. Need group? Find group! Spam chat!

I can be only jelous ZoS has a community of devoted player who will chew happily any piece of *** they get to their plate and say "W00t? Bad taste? LoL this is the way it is supposed to be!"

Phatmattfu

It's certainly wonky, and buggy as heck. But it's "generally" working for me on ps4.

I actually ended up in a 5 person group for WGT the other day lol (The fifth never made it in unfortunately)

t3hdubzy

I gave my dk heavy armor sword n board even tho im a traditional dps. Group finder for specific dungeons never takes more than a few minutes.

That said group finder is pretty buggy even when able to find dungeons.

Additionally when cp600 grouping with level 19 new players is really rough and we generally end up not finishing or replacing.

Turelus

Kneighbors wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

I would have expected for such things as Group Finder actually to improve with the time. There is so much potential like finding random group for trials (with minimum CP filter. Yes yes, to improve end game for everyone, also for pugs who will get more cp one day), making a filter to join as a substitute only etc

If you want more tailored groups or more requirements use zone chat or join/create a guild.
Group finder is designed as a quick anyone can join PUG system, it's not designed to be a "find me players that fit my expectations and requirements" tool, so as above if you want a group constructed in this way join or create one via a guild or organisation in zone chat.

Kneighbors wrote: »

Instead of that group finder became simply horrible with Homestead update. As a software dev myself I feel that the dev of GF was simply substandart or really drunk. There's a flood of bugs. No chance he\they didn't notice it during tests. People complaing about it all around the forums. Huge decrease in games played (ya ya because everyone building house right), and ZoS don't even admit there's something wrong.

Well if you think you can do better and want to help you can apply here: https://jobs.zenimax.com/requisitions/view/495

So no need group finder at all going by your logic. Need group? Find group! Spam chat!

I can be only jelous ZoS has a community of devoted player who will chew happily any piece of *** they get to their plate and say "W00t? Bad taste? LoL this is the way it is supposed to be!"

Not what I said at all. If you want a group which conforms to your specific requirements than a random group finder is not right for you.

Also just so you're aware I have been big critic of ZOS regarding a lot of different issues, so sometimes things do taste bad and I send it back. I just don't send it back when it's bad because I am the one defecating on the plate before eating it.

DeusExMachina

Kneighbors wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

I would have expected for such things as Group Finder actually to improve with the time. There is so much potential like finding random group for trials (with minimum CP filter. Yes yes, to improve end game for everyone, also for pugs who will get more cp one day), making a filter to join as a substitute only etc

If you want more tailored groups or more requirements use zone chat or join/create a guild.
Group finder is designed as a quick anyone can join PUG system, it's not designed to be a "find me players that fit my expectations and requirements" tool, so as above if you want a group constructed in this way join or create one via a guild or organisation in zone chat.

Kneighbors wrote: »

Instead of that group finder became simply horrible with Homestead update. As a software dev myself I feel that the dev of GF was simply substandart or really drunk. There's a flood of bugs. No chance he\they didn't notice it during tests. People complaing about it all around the forums. Huge decrease in games played (ya ya because everyone building house right), and ZoS don't even admit there's something wrong.

Well if you think you can do better and want to help you can apply here: https://jobs.zenimax.com/requisitions/view/495

So no need group finder at all going by your logic. Need group? Find group! Spam chat!

I can be only jelous ZoS has a community of devoted player who will chew happily any piece of *** they get to their plate and say "W00t? Bad taste? LoL this is the way it is supposed to be!"

I have some extra lorazepam if you need to

Calm. Down.

drakanor

GF is not working if you are already in a group. Before Homestead, that was not a problem and you would always find the missing one or two ppl within seconds (if DD) or minutes (if tank or healer).

Since Homestead, we tried many times without any success. No group was found for hours, even when we were looking 1 missing DD only.

Kneighbors

Turelus wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

I would have expected for such things as Group Finder actually to improve with the time. There is so much potential like finding random group for trials (with minimum CP filter. Yes yes, to improve end game for everyone, also for pugs who will get more cp one day), making a filter to join as a substitute only etc

If you want more tailored groups or more requirements use zone chat or join/create a guild.
Group finder is designed as a quick anyone can join PUG system, it's not designed to be a "find me players that fit my expectations and requirements" tool, so as above if you want a group constructed in this way join or create one via a guild or organisation in zone chat.

Kneighbors wrote: »

Instead of that group finder became simply horrible with Homestead update. As a software dev myself I feel that the dev of GF was simply substandart or really drunk. There's a flood of bugs. No chance he\they didn't notice it during tests. People complaing about it all around the forums. Huge decrease in games played (ya ya because everyone building house right), and ZoS don't even admit there's something wrong.

Well if you think you can do better and want to help you can apply here: https://jobs.zenimax.com/requisitions/view/495

So no need group finder at all going by your logic. Need group? Find group! Spam chat!

I can be only jelous ZoS has a community of devoted player who will chew happily any piece of *** they get to their plate and say "W00t? Bad taste? LoL this is the way it is supposed to be!"

Not what I said at all. If you want a group which conforms to your specific requirements than a random group finder is not right for you.

Also just so you're aware I have been big critic of ZOS regarding a lot of different issues, so sometimes things do taste bad and I send it back. I just don't send it back when it's bad because I am the one defecating on the plate before eating it.

Man. Did I say I have a problem playing with full team of lvl 10? I'm ready to play with any team, it makes the game more interesting for me, just let me play. In current state GF simply not allows me to. Any time one of the players rage quits it's not possible to find a sub.

kyle.wilson

Compared to what group finder used to be, its awesome now.
A CP only option should never exist for a normal dungeon. Many people are soloing them now quite easily.
Don't get angry if you are carrying newbies now, they will get better. You may even make a friend this way.
Some of the people that I gf dungeons with, are far better than me. I mostly do pvp while they pve. Yet, when I met them I carried them through the dungeons.