What is considered as high DPS?

Hutch679

My stam Dk is hitting ~21,000 DPS. I feel like it can be much higher. What is a good number to shoot for?

WarpigFunk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti7h8X7oZvU

Alcast hits 35k for stam DK without fracture or standard in an old DPS test on PTS.

A normal DPS test with some buffs on current patch would probably be substantially higher.

21k is not bad. I'd estimate 25k would be a minimum benchmark to hit for trial DPS for groups with consistent leaderboard clears. Over 30k would be good DPS. Over 35k would be great DPS. Over 40k you're a 1 percenter.

But my stam DK is built and geared as a tank, and I barely ever play him for the most part, so take that for what it's worth.

Qbiken

First of all: DPS is a groupeffort, and never let anyone tell you anything else.
But if we are to put out some numbers:
* Selfbuffed (no other buffs than you can provide yourself): 25k dps is a good number to aim for
* The rest is (in my opinion) is up to your group to help you raise those numbers.

Hutch679

Thanks for the input.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

You need to define the parameters of the test.

If you are using a target dummy all by yourself with no buffs:
-Anything over 25k is decent
-30k is good (you can play all content save maybe VMOL HM)
-35k is really good (no content is out of your reach)
-40k is exceptional (you are pushing HM leaderboards).

If you have ele drain (Major breach), add about 5k to each of those. If you have full raid buffs, add another 5 to even 10k on top of that.

darthsithis

I proved to myself I could get 30k, and then stopped wasting pots killing a skeleton achieving nothing lol.

I know ppl who are stormproof who have like 20k, and homestead came out 2 weeks after I got my flawless conqueror- my first test was 15k lol. But I've done every trial hard mode except hel ra and MOL so practicing on a skeleton makes you better at - wait for it- efficiently killing that skeleton.

I don't even run my 'skeleton test' bars in trials, I use real setups that fit the requirements. Like srsly I'm gonna slot surge and stay alive lol. I've gotten vet trial leaderboard spots with a ward slotted.

Tldr ~20k + a brain so you can avoid red circles is better than 40k and 'hey I need another res'

nine9six

darthsithis wrote: »

Tldr ~20k + a brain so you can avoid red circles is better than 40k and 'hey I need another res'

I like the whole post but that last line resonated well with me. I see that WAY too often. Well said!

Masel

nine9six wrote: »

darthsithis wrote: »

Tldr ~20k + a brain so you can avoid red circles is better than 40k and 'hey I need another res'

I like the whole post but that last line resonated well with me. I see that WAY too often. Well said!

With more than 20k you're fine for everything up to vHRC and vAA without hardmodes. It's technically enough to do vMoL, but with more per DD you're able to get through rakkhat without beam phase / second lunar cycle l. Everything up from 30k qualifies you for secure vMoL and Hardmode Craglorn Trials.

Having a shield on your bar is a requirement for all trials, especially hardmodes and vMoL.

myven

Masel92 wrote: »

Having a shield on your bar is a requirement for all trials, especially hardmodes and vMoL.

I haven't done any vet trials yet and didn't know this. Thank you for the information. I've started to use Harness Magicka on my second bar in most situation to keep survivability (even in dungeons). Has made it easier for the healer and I still do 25-28k dps.

Is Harness Magicka enough as a shield in veteran trials? Or if sorc, it has to be Hardened Ward?

I usually add Hardened Ward in more difficult solo or duo situations on my first bar. So I am very comfortable with the rotation and never need to look at my bar.

Edit: Sorry it's 23-26k dps :-) In most group situations.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

darthsithis wrote: »

I proved to myself I could get 30k, and then stopped wasting pots killing a skeleton achieving nothing lol.

I know ppl who are stormproof who have like 20k, and homestead came out 2 weeks after I got my flawless conqueror- my first test was 15k lol. But I've done every trial hard mode except hel ra and MOL so practicing on a skeleton makes you better at - wait for it- efficiently killing that skeleton.

I don't even run my 'skeleton test' bars in trials, I use real setups that fit the requirements. Like srsly I'm gonna slot surge and stay alive lol. I've gotten vet trial leaderboard spots with a ward slotted.

Tldr ~20k + a brain so you can avoid red circles is better than 40k and 'hey I need another res'

@darthsithis
I could not disagree with you more. Haha. I think your using skeletons in the wrong way. Skeletons are amazing for practicing your rotation, and frankly inconsistent for getting a reliable parse. Believe me, I get it. People want to have a pissing contest about how high they can parse. Perhaps there is some value in that, but frankly I think it is a waste of time. There are just too many variables to take into account to compare parses most of the time, and as you said, if people are building for a dummy, well it has no real life application.

When I practice on my skeleton, I wear worm cult instead of my monster set and jewelry and use trash pots (if needed). I then practice my actual trial rotation. This allows me to have a nice long fight (like 2 and a half minutes on a small dummy). Then I can use the recap to see uptimes on DOTs and the number of weaves I get off. That is how they are meant to be used, to practice your rotation. I am no slouch as a DPS, but I have seen my DPS shoot up pretty significantly now that I can practice my rotation in a controlled setting.

TLDR: Use dummies to practice your weave not to post a parse. Go into your damage recap. Take the number of light attacks and divide by the number of seconds in the fight. If there answer is less than about 70%, your weave needs work. The best of the best are north of 80%. Another quick test is that if your light weave is not the first or second thing on the recap, again, it needs work. Light weaving got a HUGE buff this patch. Practice practice practice.

darthsithis

That I agree with^^ my rotation is soooo much more seamless because of a few hours practicing.

I meant that getting into a trial group based on your skeleton or bloodspawn time is quite silly haha.

No coincidence my highest vma run was after the housing update where console users finally got practice dummies

Oreyn_Bearclaw

darthsithis wrote: »

That I agree with^^ my rotation is soooo much more seamless because of a few hours practicing.

I meant that getting into a trial group based on your skeleton or bloodspawn time is quite silly haha.

No coincidence my highest vma run was after the housing update where console users finally got practice dummies

That I agree with as well. I understand that people need benchmarks for guilds and that sort of thing, but I have never actually done that. In our guild we do promote people based on 2 factors in real life trials. First (and most important) not dying. Second, on actual trial parses that you post. I think its a much better way to test, but obviously its much more involved. I got invited to a guild once (after they saw I cleared VMOL, back when that was a relatively short list), then i got kicked a week later cuz i never took a test. Haha. I didnt lose a lot of sleep.

darthsithis

Good for you man haha. I did sanctum hard mode with a guild, and then they said in order to continue I needed to do weekly BST to officially be allowed to run hard modes lol

Grats on beating maw btw!