What hit me?

UrQuan

I've popped into Cyrodiil the last couple of days (for briefer periods than I had hoped, to be honest) in order to help with the stress test and take advantage of the double AP (yay, the character that I've done it with has gone from Assault/Support 4 to 6 in about an hour and a half of screwing around inefficiently and gained 2 skill points in the process).

In those forays into PVP, 3 times I've been hit with something from range, and I don't know what it was. Whatever it is knocks me down and immobilizes me on the ground for roughly 2 seconds, without letting me break free despite having full or almost full stamina. 2 of the times this has happened to me I've then been killed by other things without being able to do anything about it, as I haven't been able to break free or use any skills. The 3rd time I survived because friendly players were throwing out heals (this is the only one where I have some idea of roughly the duration of being immobilized on the ground, because the other times I was dead before I was able to get up again).

The times I died after getting hit by this I wasn't able to tell what it was from my death recap, as my death recaps were full of the normal skills & light attacks doing damage to me while I wasn't able to do anything.

Does anyone know what it could have been that got me? I'm assuming a counter to it would have been to block it or dodge-roll, but I have no idea what it was so I have no idea what to watch out for in order to try to counter it.

Beardimus

Does it pin you to the floor and you wave your arms and legs about? That one gets me a ton.

To be honnest PvP for me is normally spent Stunned / Feared / knocked down. I wish it was just a proper toe to toe fight. I get it can't be Tho. CC break feels so broken tho on many skils, but I'm sure its just my skill haha

Waffennacht

Did your character slide around the ground?

There was a bug where (I found it mostly from Templars) where you would get knocked down and couldn't CC break.

Why does it feel each update removes the hotfixes done previously?

Marque

I can't say for sure but it sounds like either the Magnum Shot bow skill or Templar Piercing Javelin skill/morphs.

UrQuan

Beardimus wrote: »

Does it pin you to the floor and you wave your arms and legs about? That one gets me a ton.

Yes, that's exactly what happened!

Beardimus wrote: »

To be honnest PvP for me is normally spent Stunned / Feared / knocked down. I wish it was just a proper toe to toe fight. I get it can't be Tho. CC break feels so broken tho on many skils, but I'm sure its just my skill haha

I don't mind getting stunned / feared / knocked down if I have some idea what's doing it so I can at least attempt to counter it (with the understanding that I'll often fail to counter it lol). And to be honest, it doesn't even bug me much when I don't know what's doing it, I'm just trying to find out what's causing this so that I can maybe possibly become better at PVP.

Egonieser

Ranged CC would be:
Javelin (templar)
Fossilize/Stonefist (DK)
Agony (NB)
Destructive Reach (Inferno Destro Staff)
Bombard/Magnum Shot (Bow)

All those are hard CC, bar from last two for bow, which are soft CC but annoying nontheless.

Could be any of these (maybe i missed any, can't remember)

UrQuan

Egonieser wrote: »

Ranged CC would be:
Javelin (templar)
Fossilize/Stonefist (DK)
Agony (NB)
Destructive Reach (Destro Staff)
Bombard/Magnum Shot (Bow)

All those are hard CC bar from last two for bow which are soft CC but annoying nontheless.

Could be any of these (maybe i missed any, can't remember)

Hmm, I thought you were able to break free from any of those that hit you... Was I wrong?

Danksta

An attack from stealth?

Egonieser

UrQuan wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Ranged CC would be:
Javelin (templar)
Fossilize/Stonefist (DK)
Agony (NB)
Destructive Reach (Destro Staff)
Bombard/Magnum Shot (Bow)

All those are hard CC bar from last two for bow which are soft CC but annoying nontheless.

Could be any of these (maybe i missed any, can't remember)

Hmm, I thought you were able to break free from any of those that hit you... Was I wrong?

You can break free from any CC. Difference between soft and hard CC is soft CC only roots you in place or hinders your movement but doesn't prevent you from attacking (just mobility).
Hard CC in any form disables you from doing anything until you break free.

UrQuan

Egonieser wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Ranged CC would be:
Javelin (templar)
Fossilize/Stonefist (DK)
Agony (NB)
Destructive Reach (Destro Staff)
Bombard/Magnum Shot (Bow)

All those are hard CC bar from last two for bow which are soft CC but annoying nontheless.

Could be any of these (maybe i missed any, can't remember)

Hmm, I thought you were able to break free from any of those that hit you... Was I wrong?

You can break free from any CC. Difference between soft and hard CC is soft CC only roots you in place but doesn't prevent you from attacking (just mobility).
Hard CC in any form disables you from doing anything until you break free.

That's what's confusing me about this. Whatever it is that's hitting me is unbreakable CC that knocks me down and pins me to the ground for a couple of seconds. Breaking free doesn't do anything. Each time this has happened it's been the first thing that has hit me in a fight and I've been at full stamina (or very nearly full, I think one time I had been sneaking shortly before it happened). I would suspect lag is causing me to not be able to break free, but I haven't been noticing anything else that would indicate I've been lagging.

Egonieser

UrQuan wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Ranged CC would be:
Javelin (templar)
Fossilize/Stonefist (DK)
Agony (NB)
Destructive Reach (Destro Staff)
Bombard/Magnum Shot (Bow)

All those are hard CC bar from last two for bow which are soft CC but annoying nontheless.

Could be any of these (maybe i missed any, can't remember)

Hmm, I thought you were able to break free from any of those that hit you... Was I wrong?

You can break free from any CC. Difference between soft and hard CC is soft CC only roots you in place but doesn't prevent you from attacking (just mobility).
Hard CC in any form disables you from doing anything until you break free.

That's what's confusing me about this. Whatever it is that's hitting me is unbreakable CC that knocks me down and pins me to the ground for a couple of seconds. Breaking free doesn't do anything. Each time this has happened it's been the first thing that has hit me in a fight and I've been at full stamina (or very nearly full, I think one time I had been sneaking shortly before it happened). I would suspect lag is causing me to not be able to break free, but I haven't been noticing anything else that would indicate I've been lagging.

I've not personally found anything you desbribe as such and i PvP most of my playtime (i don't know of such skill that's unbreakable, there shouldn't be any).
What it is most likely is lag or perhaps a new glitch regarding a certain skill (though dunno which would that be).
Fear used to be unbreakable in laggy scenarios and when used with certain other skills (unintneded nontheless, now fixed), maybe a similar problem is affecting some other skill.

UrQuan

Egonieser wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Ranged CC would be:
Javelin (templar)
Fossilize/Stonefist (DK)
Agony (NB)
Destructive Reach (Destro Staff)
Bombard/Magnum Shot (Bow)

All those are hard CC bar from last two for bow which are soft CC but annoying nontheless.

Could be any of these (maybe i missed any, can't remember)

Hmm, I thought you were able to break free from any of those that hit you... Was I wrong?

You can break free from any CC. Difference between soft and hard CC is soft CC only roots you in place but doesn't prevent you from attacking (just mobility).
Hard CC in any form disables you from doing anything until you break free.

That's what's confusing me about this. Whatever it is that's hitting me is unbreakable CC that knocks me down and pins me to the ground for a couple of seconds. Breaking free doesn't do anything. Each time this has happened it's been the first thing that has hit me in a fight and I've been at full stamina (or very nearly full, I think one time I had been sneaking shortly before it happened). I would suspect lag is causing me to not be able to break free, but I haven't been noticing anything else that would indicate I've been lagging.

I've not personally found anything you desbribe as such (i don't know of such skill that's unbreakable, there shouldn't be any).
What it is most likely is lag or perhaps a new glitch regarding a certain skill (though dunno which would that be).
Fear used to be unbreakable in laggy scenarios and when used with certain other skills (unintneded nontheless, now fixed)

OK thanks, I'll assume it's just lag or a bug then and not worry about it.

NBrookus

I recommend Miat's CC tracker while you are in pvp land.

Also, keybind your CC break -- it's often more responsive than the double mouse click.

UrQuan

NBrookus wrote: »

I recommend Miat's CC tracker while you are in pvp land.

Also, keybind your CC break -- it's often more responsive than the double mouse click.

I've got my CC break bound to one of the buttons on the side of my mouse, so it's already a single click. I'll check out the CC tracker though - that sounds very handy, thanks!

Egonieser

NBrookus wrote: »

I recommend Miat's CC tracker while you are in pvp land.

Any combat addon does that.
AUI/Combat Cloud/Tactical Foundry.

I personally use Combat Cloud for healing and CC/potion/ultimate messages - they are by far the easiest to read & customize.

IcyDeadPeople

UrQuan wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Ranged CC would be:
Javelin (templar)
Fossilize/Stonefist (DK)
Agony (NB)
Destructive Reach (Destro Staff)
Bombard/Magnum Shot (Bow)

All those are hard CC bar from last two for bow which are soft CC but annoying nontheless.

Could be any of these (maybe i missed any, can't remember)

Hmm, I thought you were able to break free from any of those that hit you... Was I wrong?

You can break free from any CC. Difference between soft and hard CC is soft CC only roots you in place but doesn't prevent you from attacking (just mobility).
Hard CC in any form disables you from doing anything until you break free.

That's what's confusing me about this. Whatever it is that's hitting me is unbreakable CC that knocks me down and pins me to the ground for a couple of seconds. Breaking free doesn't do anything. Each time this has happened it's been the first thing that has hit me in a fight and I've been at full stamina (or very nearly full, I think one time I had been sneaking shortly before it happened). I would suspect lag is causing me to not be able to break free, but I haven't been noticing anything else that would indicate I've been lagging.

Were you on a horse?

QuebraRegra

Egonieser wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Ranged CC would be:
Javelin (templar)
Fossilize/Stonefist (DK)
Agony (NB)
Destructive Reach (Destro Staff)
Bombard/Magnum Shot (Bow)

All those are hard CC bar from last two for bow which are soft CC but annoying nontheless.

Could be any of these (maybe i missed any, can't remember)

Hmm, I thought you were able to break free from any of those that hit you... Was I wrong?

You can break free from any CC. Difference between soft and hard CC is soft CC only roots you in place but doesn't prevent you from attacking (just mobility).
Hard CC in any form disables you from doing anything until you break free.

That's what's confusing me about this. Whatever it is that's hitting me is unbreakable CC that knocks me down and pins me to the ground for a couple of seconds. Breaking free doesn't do anything. Each time this has happened it's been the first thing that has hit me in a fight and I've been at full stamina (or very nearly full, I think one time I had been sneaking shortly before it happened). I would suspect lag is causing me to not be able to break free, but I haven't been noticing anything else that would indicate I've been lagging.

I've not personally found anything you desbribe as such and i PvP most of my playtime (i don't know of such skill that's unbreakable, there shouldn't be any).
What it is most likely is lag or perhaps a new glitch regarding a certain skill (though dunno which would that be).
Fear used to be unbreakable in laggy scenarios and when used with certain other skills (unintneded nontheless, now fixed), maybe a similar problem is affecting some other skill.

I don't think the break free issues that have been around an aeon were ever really resolved.

Prof_Bawbag

About the only thing I dislike is when you get zero notification that you're standing in a small area which should have an ever expanding red circle telling you you're about to die from someone firing their cold harbour siege weapon. So many times i've just suddenly seen blue flames appear and been toasted mid fight, fighting other players near keeps.

SquareSausage

Not in PVP but I find in PVE you can get unbreakabale CC, like the final boss on DFK, even at full stam, about 50% of the time I cant break free straight away, or at all.

Prof_Bawbag

Another thing that happens to me regularly on console when pvping is rather than roll, my character jumps in the air blocking. That never happens to me in PvE. I roll each and every time.

SquareSausage

You out of stamina bawbag, thats what usally happens when you are low on stam.

Damianos

Had the same thing happen to me last night.

Psychodellix

You could also slot radiant mage light to help reduce the damage that is coming from the attack

DeadlyRecluse

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Were you on a horse?

My first thought, too--sounds like horseCC.

Egonieser

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Ranged CC would be:
Javelin (templar)
Fossilize/Stonefist (DK)
Agony (NB)
Destructive Reach (Destro Staff)
Bombard/Magnum Shot (Bow)

All those are hard CC bar from last two for bow which are soft CC but annoying nontheless.

Could be any of these (maybe i missed any, can't remember)

Hmm, I thought you were able to break free from any of those that hit you... Was I wrong?

You can break free from any CC. Difference between soft and hard CC is soft CC only roots you in place but doesn't prevent you from attacking (just mobility).
Hard CC in any form disables you from doing anything until you break free.

That's what's confusing me about this. Whatever it is that's hitting me is unbreakable CC that knocks me down and pins me to the ground for a couple of seconds. Breaking free doesn't do anything. Each time this has happened it's been the first thing that has hit me in a fight and I've been at full stamina (or very nearly full, I think one time I had been sneaking shortly before it happened). I would suspect lag is causing me to not be able to break free, but I haven't been noticing anything else that would indicate I've been lagging.

I've not personally found anything you desbribe as such and i PvP most of my playtime (i don't know of such skill that's unbreakable, there shouldn't be any).
What it is most likely is lag or perhaps a new glitch regarding a certain skill (though dunno which would that be).
Fear used to be unbreakable in laggy scenarios and when used with certain other skills (unintneded nontheless, now fixed), maybe a similar problem is affecting some other skill.

I don't think the break free issues that have been around an aeon were ever really resolved.

Well no, they haven't - I did mention it (lag or glitch).
But I think OP was asking whether there is a new skill and/or change to skill that makes it unbreakable (by design) or is just a lag.

UrQuan

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Ranged CC would be:
Javelin (templar)
Fossilize/Stonefist (DK)
Agony (NB)
Destructive Reach (Destro Staff)
Bombard/Magnum Shot (Bow)

All those are hard CC bar from last two for bow which are soft CC but annoying nontheless.

Could be any of these (maybe i missed any, can't remember)

Hmm, I thought you were able to break free from any of those that hit you... Was I wrong?

You can break free from any CC. Difference between soft and hard CC is soft CC only roots you in place but doesn't prevent you from attacking (just mobility).
Hard CC in any form disables you from doing anything until you break free.

That's what's confusing me about this. Whatever it is that's hitting me is unbreakable CC that knocks me down and pins me to the ground for a couple of seconds. Breaking free doesn't do anything. Each time this has happened it's been the first thing that has hit me in a fight and I've been at full stamina (or very nearly full, I think one time I had been sneaking shortly before it happened). I would suspect lag is causing me to not be able to break free, but I haven't been noticing anything else that would indicate I've been lagging.

Were you on a horse?

Nope. Not any of the times I'm talking about anyway. I've been knocked off my horse in the past, but if I'm dumb enough to let my horse's stamina drop too low in Cyrodiil I deserve what I get lol

rfennell_ESO

Most of the time it's the old broken heavy attack->hard cc which usually leads to an unbreakable cc.

There are some... many of them streamers... that their entire "rotation" is built around using these.

NewBlacksmurf

Is it the Dragur Set somehow asking cause I still see an issue due to range. Not sure man

UrQuan

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Is it the Dragur Set somehow asking cause I still see an issue due to range. Not sure man

You mean the AOE knockdown from the Draugr's Heritage 5-piece bonus? No, it couldn't have been - no enemies were close enough to me for that to happen, and 2 of the times the only enemies in the area were completely unhurt and just opening up the battle, so that set couldn't have procced. I'm starting to think it was either lag (even though I didn't notice anything else lagging) or a bug preventing me from breaking free from something standard that I should have been able to break free from.

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Most of the time it's the old broken heavy attack->hard cc which usually leads to an unbreakable cc.

There are some... many of them streamers... that their entire "rotation" is built around using these.

Probably because I barely PVP I haven't been aware of a heavy attack>hard CC combo leading to unbreakable CC. Is this a known bug? An exploit? Intended behavior?

Anyway, regardless of what the cause is, it's starting to sound like this isn't a case of a skill or proc set that I just wasn't aware caused unbreakable CC. So it's sounding like there isn't something specific I need to look out for in order to block or dodge-roll in time and keep myself safe. That being the case, I won't worry about it.

Danksta

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Another thing that happens to me regularly on console when pvping is rather than roll, my character jumps in the air blocking. That never happens to me in PvE. I roll each and every time.

That doesn't happen often to me in PvP, but it happens to me all the time in vMA.

IcyDeadPeople

Sometimes CC is buggy, but for me it usually happens with fear or invigorating drain, not ranged attack.