Now stams have shown their advantage…

Lyserus

I am a healer and probably because I am playing no CP or because healing is nerfed in pvp, my heal is wayyy less effective and magic drains quickly （can't heavy attack in siege to restore either）. And in this camp stam is a way better build to deal damages

NeillMcAttack

This is a simple case of perspective. You know damage is also halved right?

You give no details on what heals you are using, wether they are effecient or not! No details of spec, build, skills, playstyle!? Nothing on what it is about "stam" exactly that is "showing thier advantage", except '"more damage than my heals" apparently. And the fact that you can't sustain your on your current build.

Sorry, but what do you want us to say?.

Lynx7386

Actually I would argue that in a siege situation a magicka dps is far better than stamina. Stamina is limited to bow attacks at range, magicka builds have a much larger arsenal of ranged abilities available to them.

JinMori

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

This is a simple case of perspective. You know damage is also halved right?

You give no details on what heals you are using, wether they are effecient or not! No details of spec, build, skills, playstyle!? Nothing on what it is about "stam" exactly that is "showing thier advantage", except '"more damage than my heals" apparently. And the fact that you can't sustain your on your current build.

Sorry, but what do you want us to say?.

Well said, posts without any evidence should be put in they're places, exspecially when they could bring nerfs without any reasons. Stamina is op, let's nerf it.....

Lyserus

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

This is a simple case of perspective. You know damage is also halved right?

You give no details on what heals you are using, wether they are effecient or not! No details of spec, build, skills, playstyle!? Nothing on what it is about "stam" exactly that is "showing thier advantage", except '"more damage than my heals" apparently. And the fact that you can't sustain your on your current build.

Sorry, but what do you want us to say?.

people complain about stam is dead -> in pvp it is not the case Since -> magicka healer is less effective and non healer mag dps basically can't use emergency heal because is so not effective if you don't build for it

Lyserus

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Actually I would argue that in a siege situation a magicka dps is far better than stamina. Stamina is limited to bow attacks at range, magicka builds have a much larger arsenal of ranged abilities available to them.

I agree with u on some level, but also many aoe skill can't be used during siege （for example shards can't drop from top of wall to ground lv&vice versa）

JinMori

I say that this is simply a ltp issue, the fact that you can't sustain is your fault, the fact that you can't even use a single heavy attack is your fault. Also how is stamina so much better? Stamina has way worse self heals, less defense, medium armor sucks, compared to light or heavy, aoe is much worse compared to magicka (desto ulti), the only thing that stamina has is dodgerolling, and stealth if you are a nb, so basically cancerous playstyles.

cjthibs

Lyserus wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

This is a simple case of perspective. You know damage is also halved right?

You give no details on what heals you are using, wether they are effecient or not! No details of spec, build, skills, playstyle!? Nothing on what it is about "stam" exactly that is "showing thier advantage", except '"more damage than my heals" apparently. And the fact that you can't sustain your on your current build.

Sorry, but what do you want us to say?.

people complain about stam is dead -> in pvp it is not the case Since -> magicka healer is less effective and non healer mag dps basically can't use emergency heal because is so not effective if you don't build for it

I refuse to play magicka...and I do just fine in PvP. Even with no CP.

What sort of build are you running?

Beardimus

whos complaining that Stamina is dead? like really?

strikeback1247

What is the point of this thread other than complaining?

NeillMcAttack

Lyserus wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

This is a simple case of perspective. You know damage is also halved right?

You give no details on what heals you are using, wether they are effecient or not! No details of spec, build, skills, playstyle!? Nothing on what it is about "stam" exactly that is "showing thier advantage", except '"more damage than my heals" apparently. And the fact that you can't sustain your on your current build.

Sorry, but what do you want us to say?.

people complain about stam is dead -> in pvp it is not the case Since -> magicka healer is less effective and non healer mag dps basically can't use emergency heal because is so not effective if you don't build for it

Sure, some people do complain and make wild assumptions about how they feel the game is playing currently. But those often give very little detail on what they are referring to. Sometimes there is lots of detail though, and only then can a discussion be had.

And you can spec into damage and have a very powerful heals as magicka. But the healer role, particularly without CP's is best played with greater sustain and defensive spells.

flizomica

I've been PvPing to rack up AP and do just fine in kags + transmutation + vma resto..

I've found I have to be a little more careful as I can't rely on BoL to get out of a sticky situation.

PlaceboSoul

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idk

Stam and magika are affected equally in the lack of CP. Both lose the various benefits in CP and either change their gear build to suit or deal with it.

Some will gear with more inpen and maybe add more regen/cost reduction to their build one way or another to adjust for the changes. Others just suck it up and work in getting the quick kill.

Oh, and there were no changes specific to heals made with the removal of CP. Just the bonus from CP is gone and stam loses theIf bonus to damage.

However, stam doesn't benefit disproportionately when CP is removed.

Cinbri

Stamina > Magicka. That how it always was on azura.