Whats up?

wibbz

So what is up with the pvp and pve? I loved when i first started play eso at releas that you can play "the way you want" so many weapons and spells u can use but Why do we have all of the spells when in the end it feels like you can only use some sertan spells and weapons if u want to enjoy end game content?

I play NB archer and as soon as i want to group for trail when they see i have dual bow then i get kickt. Dont get me started on the pvp with a cloak that never works but for other i see they work just fine and the only viable with bow is a boring snipe gank, and the heal is a joke. And the magic dk is a *** because they just stunlock you and if u have a chanse to shoot an arrow they just reflect it, so every time i see a dk i just run away because its not possible for me to do anything. I have tryed all weapons and spells but IT is my bow/bow setup i enjoy the most.

Does anyone know if zos will take a look at this or shold i just quit the game because im the only one that cares?

Sry for bad spelling

Turelus

The play the way you want left the game shortly after release when people learned the mechanics and most efficient builds, ZOS have now started balancing and combat designing around that meaning less optimal builds (twin bow) are not great at content now.

If you want relaxed play the way you want then look for a guild which plays that way and enjoy the game with like minded people, generally if you go for pick up groups people will expect some level of high power builds.

I wouldn't quit the game over it, take some time to research the games mechanics and systems, look into what builds work and why your build might not be working then look how you can improve it. You might have to make some concessions to your build but if you're not looking to do extreme end game content or be a 1vX PvP god then you'll be fine.

As I said your best and most enjoyable solution would be to find a guild of like minded players and work together to do things.

Chirru

Whats up?

People use the most effective means the game offers to knock you out.
Adapt or be defeated, it is that simple.

As for playing as you want? Sure, play as you want... just do not expect to win in PvP.

By the way (my opinion) most of the combat skills offered are completely useless.
I play my Chars successfully with 5 skills and ignore the rest.
As for bow...Bow-skills are barely viable in Solo PvE play (unless you have really maxed
them out). So forget about groups. By the time you release a Volley or Snipe the Sorcs have already killed everything.

cpuScientist

Sounds like a learn to play issue. And I don't mean that in the usual idiotic way. I mean that you need to come up with a viable bow build and demonstrate it. There is a double bow build on the forums that can pull great DPS. And there are better setups in PvP for bow, snipe is bad, use a heavy attack into a poision injection.

You need to learn to properly play with bow before you call it weak, or complain about it. 99% of people (making up a number) that use bow bow just spam light attacks and stand at max range without running any kind of rotation. And this is dead weight in a trial.

Against MagDK, you have to get the drop on them and load them up with poisions. If you are playing bow in PvP it means you are ganking, bow is not a main weapon it just isn't suitable for open combat like other weapons are. And if you are ganking you need to learn to go in with the right sets the right abilities and the right poison. I use vicecannon and sheer venom, then use a double dot poison and hit them with heavy into injection. This puts alot of damage on them. You can then gapclose execute or hit them with some pop shots and then get out of Dodge. To wait for them to get to you.

You can "play how you want" for the most part but it's up to you to demonstrate that it's viable and that you won't be a hindrance.

Never be the despite always strive to be the because - cpuScientist.

greylox

You can play the way you want if you don't want to see most of the content or be competitive which is a real shame because it's boring seeing everyone use same gear and spells, but it's a problem with game design.

cpuScientist

greylox wrote: »

You can play the way you want if you don't want to see most of the content or be competitive which is a real shame because it's boring seeing everyone use same gear and spells, but it's a problem with game design.

Sure but this is in every game, because all these games are just math, and when competition is added people will just gravitate towards the best. And there will always be an optimal set rotation and the like.

Jitterbug

The problem as I see it is that if the end game content was tweaked towards players running 'weird' builds then the people running min/max could just faceroll everything.

Turelus

Jitterbug wrote: »

The problem as I see it is that if the end game content was tweaked towards players running 'weird' builds then the people running min/max could just faceroll everything.

Which is why there was such a dramatic change in difficulty with later content.

I honestly wish they had gone and looked at way to bring focused builds down and allowed more variety than buffed content and reinforced the need for specific minmax builds.

The great thing about caps back in the day was there was a ceiling on the power level the developers could balance around, now there is no ceiling and patch by patch we push further into the sky.

The ease of content should be on player skill and group ability rather than having the highest stats gear.

Examples is how some dungeons don't need a healer/tank any more because players broke the numbers side of the game.

wibbz

cpuScientist wrote: »

Sounds like a learn to play issue. And I don't mean that in the usual idiotic way. I mean that you need to come up with a viable bow build and demonstrate it. There is a double bow build on the forums that can pull great DPS. And there are better setups in PvP for bow, snipe is bad, use a heavy attack into a poision injection.

You need to learn to properly play with bow before you call it weak, or complain about it. 99% of people (making up a number) that use bow bow just spam light attacks and stand at max range without running any kind of rotation. And this is dead weight in a trial.

Against MagDK, you have to get the drop on them and load them up with poisions. If you are playing bow in PvP it means you are ganking, bow is not a main weapon it just isn't suitable for open combat like other weapons are. And if you are ganking you need to learn to go in with the right sets the right abilities and the right poison. I use vicecannon and sheer venom, then use a double dot poison and hit them with heavy into injection. This puts alot of damage on them. You can then gapclose execute or hit them with some pop shots and then get out of Dodge. To wait for them to get to you.

You can "play how you want" for the most part but it's up to you to demonstrate that it's viable and that you won't be a hindrance.

Never be the despite always strive to be the because - cpuScientist.

Yeah i hear what you are saying, i have tryed gears and poison, heavy and execute i have and IT was fun for about 50kills. I have playd bow since release and im sure that i can say that bow is not as effective as other weapons i dont say that its week. Just because i play bow does not mean that i most Go gank build, i have 1vx some Times and its Been fine so when you say if u play bow u gank then i have to say no and u need to learn some bow

wibbz

wibbz wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

Sounds like a learn to play issue. And I don't mean that in the usual idiotic way. I mean that you need to come up with a viable bow build and demonstrate it. There is a double bow build on the forums that can pull great DPS. And there are better setups in PvP for bow, snipe is bad, use a heavy attack into a poision injection.

You need to learn to properly play with bow before you call it weak, or complain about it. 99% of people (making up a number) that use bow bow just spam light attacks and stand at max range without running any kind of rotation. And this is dead weight in a trial.

Against MagDK, you have to get the drop on them and load them up with poisions. If you are playing bow in PvP it means you are ganking, bow is not a main weapon it just isn't suitable for open combat like other weapons are. And if you are ganking you need to learn to go in with the right sets the right abilities and the right poison. I use vicecannon and sheer venom, then use a double dot poison and hit them with heavy into injection. This puts alot of damage on them. You can then gapclose execute or hit them with some pop shots and then get out of Dodge. To wait for them to get to you.

You can "play how you want" for the most part but it's up to you to demonstrate that it's viable and that you won't be a hindrance.

Never be the despite always strive to be the because - cpuScientist.

Yeah i hear what you are saying, i have tryed gears and poison, heavy and execute i have and IT was fun for about 50kills. I have playd bow since release and im sure that i can say that bow is not as effective as other weapons i dont say that its week. Just because i play bow does not mean that i most Go gank build, i have 1vx some Times and its Been fine so when you say if u play bow u gank then i have to say no and u need to learn some bow

Wtf IT broke my text in half

The othertings was my set up but i dont want to write IT again it was to much :S

wibbz

Jitterbug wrote: »

The problem as I see it is that if the end game content was tweaked towards players running 'weird' builds then the people running min/max could just faceroll everything.

What do you mean weird build? If someone rolls like 2h instead of 1h/bow? If its wrong Why are they in game?

Glamdring

There always gonna be a "best" build for each class and situation, its all maths. Then again, there is a player behind it and one playing a fotm build against other not playing a fotm build automatically doesnt mean the fotm build will win. Then there are thoose that play a fotm build and do it well, there you have the top players on the leaderboard. So ofc you cant expect to join elite raiding Guilds not playing a fotm build, since they looking for highest score possible. and that is only possible with a fotm build. as i said its pure maths.

cpuScientist

wibbz wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

Sounds like a learn to play issue. And I don't mean that in the usual idiotic way. I mean that you need to come up with a viable bow build and demonstrate it. There is a double bow build on the forums that can pull great DPS. And there are better setups in PvP for bow, snipe is bad, use a heavy attack into a poision injection.

You need to learn to properly play with bow before you call it weak, or complain about it. 99% of people (making up a number) that use bow bow just spam light attacks and stand at max range without running any kind of rotation. And this is dead weight in a trial.

Against MagDK, you have to get the drop on them and load them up with poisions. If you are playing bow in PvP it means you are ganking, bow is not a main weapon it just isn't suitable for open combat like other weapons are. And if you are ganking you need to learn to go in with the right sets the right abilities and the right poison. I use vicecannon and sheer venom, then use a double dot poison and hit them with heavy into injection. This puts alot of damage on them. You can then gapclose execute or hit them with some pop shots and then get out of Dodge. To wait for them to get to you.

You can "play how you want" for the most part but it's up to you to demonstrate that it's viable and that you won't be a hindrance.

Never be the despite always strive to be the because - cpuScientist.

Yeah i hear what you are saying, i have tryed gears and poison, heavy and execute i have and IT was fun for about 50kills. I have playd bow since release and im sure that i can say that bow is not as effective as other weapons i dont say that its week. Just because i play bow does not mean that i most Go gank build, i have 1vx some Times and its Been fine so when you say if u play bow u gank then i have to say no and u need to learn some bow

Sure I guess gank was the wrong word. But if you are bow bow, you are not standing your ground like a stamDK using sword and board. You are playing more elusive lining up shots out of stealth and trying to not take damage rather than heal/block through it. It's a fantastic way to 1vX and many make it out to be easy when it's not. So sorry I used the word gank. My point was when using bow as your only weapon, your primary goal is to get room between you and other players not just face tank them.

I'm just trying to help you out. As many good players use double bow or bow primary with two hander/dual wield as a buff/execute bar. It's extremely fun.

wibbz

cpuScientist wrote: »

wibbz wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

Sounds like a learn to play issue. And I don't mean that in the usual idiotic way. I mean that you need to come up with a viable bow build and demonstrate it. There is a double bow build on the forums that can pull great DPS. And there are better setups in PvP for bow, snipe is bad, use a heavy attack into a poision injection.

You need to learn to properly play with bow before you call it weak, or complain about it. 99% of people (making up a number) that use bow bow just spam light attacks and stand at max range without running any kind of rotation. And this is dead weight in a trial.

Against MagDK, you have to get the drop on them and load them up with poisions. If you are playing bow in PvP it means you are ganking, bow is not a main weapon it just isn't suitable for open combat like other weapons are. And if you are ganking you need to learn to go in with the right sets the right abilities and the right poison. I use vicecannon and sheer venom, then use a double dot poison and hit them with heavy into injection. This puts alot of damage on them. You can then gapclose execute or hit them with some pop shots and then get out of Dodge. To wait for them to get to you.

You can "play how you want" for the most part but it's up to you to demonstrate that it's viable and that you won't be a hindrance.

Never be the despite always strive to be the because - cpuScientist.

Yeah i hear what you are saying, i have tryed gears and poison, heavy and execute i have and IT was fun for about 50kills. I have playd bow since release and im sure that i can say that bow is not as effective as other weapons i dont say that its week. Just because i play bow does not mean that i most Go gank build, i have 1vx some Times and its Been fine so when you say if u play bow u gank then i have to say no and u need to learn some bow

Sure I guess gank was the wrong word. But if you are bow bow, you are not standing your ground like a stamDK using sword and board. You are playing more elusive lining up shots out of stealth and trying to not take damage rather than heal/block through it. It's a fantastic way to 1vX and many make it out to be easy when it's not. So sorry I used the word gank. My point was when using bow as your only weapon, your primary goal is to get room between you and other players not just face tank them.

I'm just trying to help you out. As many good players use double bow or bow primary with two hander/dual wield as a buff/execute bar. It's extremely fun.

NP i just wanted to point IT out.

The thing is that i wold want to have that every thing is "same". Sure everyone talks about math and have notist that for example dw/bow is the best for trails but Why cant they "buff" 2h so u can Go in with that and still do same dmg or even better if you are skilled. More fun Than every one dw/bow and destro/dw for example.

wibbz

Turelus wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

The problem as I see it is that if the end game content was tweaked towards players running 'weird' builds then the people running min/max could just faceroll everything.

Which is why there was such a dramatic change in difficulty with later content.

I honestly wish they had gone and looked at way to bring focused builds down and allowed more variety than buffed content and reinforced the need for specific minmax builds.

The great thing about caps back in the day was there was a ceiling on the power level the developers could balance around, now there is no ceiling and patch by patch we push further into the sky.

The ease of content should be on player skill and group ability rather than having the highest stats gear.

Examples is how some dungeons don't need a healer/tank any more because players broke the numbers side of the game.

Agreed

wibbz

Another thing that is my opinion for pvp is that for example a dk that can block throu 10players attacks and then Go for the offensive and kill them all, that shold not be possible if u want to tank dmg then your offensive shold suffer and the damn stunlock that they can do, Same goes for templars heals.
Vigor and rally shold not heal so much as they do. Sorcs shold not be able to stack all shields in the world and nbs shold not be able to spam cloak.

Like i Said its only my opinion im sure many dont agree