Would it be viable to have craft nodes & treasure chest respawn even if not 'empty'?

Tavore1138

Many of you will have suffered this pain...

You get to a herb node and there are only crawlers...
You get to a rune node and someone just left you your 100,000th Ta...
You run to a chest to find... a style item...

If it happens many times it can make you ... maybe even ... or

But hey 'stuff' happens, we can move on - the bigger problem is that those nodes and chests do not reset until someone else has come along and taken someone else's unwanted leavings - it's like turning up at a restaurant and being expected to finish up the last diners left overs before being able to order your own meal...

I'd considered suggesting that people would have to take a whole node or chest but that seems like forcing people to take what they don't want so... How about ZoS change the code so that all nodes and chests respawn X minutes after they have even part of their contents taken? No idea how easy or hard that would be to implement but at least that way all tyhese half used nodes would respawn and reduce the number of disappointed players...

Crazy plan or not? You decide!

DaveMoeDee

I'd rather force people to empty nodes or leave as-is. No partial harvesting. If you want to share the contents of a chest, trade stuff face to face.

The downside is forcing to clear inventory. To avoid that, items left in partially looted node should be destroyed.

Seems less than optimal, but might be needed as long as there are idiots who leave things behind.

The most friendly approach though is probably just having nodes timeout after 30 seconds if partially looted.

NewBlacksmurf

I'd strongly support them resetting if after 60 secs of being looted, items are left over.

Basically if it's looted at all....bam...reset 60-90 secs later as if it was completely emptied initially so two different timers.

UrQuan

You mean "would it be viable to have craft nodes and treasure chest respawns work exactly the same way they currently work"?

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

NewBlacksmurf

UrQuan wrote: »

You mean "would it be viable to have craft nodes and treasure chest respawns work exactly the same way they currently work"?

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

@UrQuan

Did they change pc or something yesterday so things aren't left behind

danno8

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You mean "would it be viable to have craft nodes and treasure chest respawns work exactly the same way they currently work"?

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

@UrQuan

Did they change pc or something yesterday so things aren't left behind

No, things are left behind, but the node will still reset itself ~5 minutes later.

So while it sucks a bit to go up to a node and find just worms or something, keep in mind that if they had taken everything that node would not have been there at all, and since it all resets in the same time frame anyway... well is it really a problem?

STEVIL

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You mean "would it be viable to have craft nodes and treasure chest respawns work exactly the same way they currently work"?

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

@UrQuan

Did they change pc or something yesterday so things aren't left behind

No things are left behind AFAIK but chest respawn was never or at least not in recent times tied to empty.

SirAndy

UrQuan wrote: »

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

mesmerizedish

SirAndy wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

As many have said, this is exactly how it works already.

Tavore1138

UrQuan wrote: »

You mean "would it be viable to have craft nodes and treasure chest respawns work exactly the same way they currently work"?

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

Are you sure - I've stood over chests and nodes for some time without seeing a respawn from an unlocked one with a 'Use' next to it (not for testing just because sometimes something comes up irl)?

idk

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I'd strongly support them resetting if after 60 secs of being looted, items are left over.

Basically if it's looted at all....bam...reset 60-90 secs later as if it was completely emptied initially so two different timers.

Yes, or the despawn timer used in trials.

jedtb16_ESO

danno8 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You mean "would it be viable to have craft nodes and treasure chest respawns work exactly the same way they currently work"?

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

@UrQuan

Did they change pc or something yesterday so things aren't left behind

No, things are left behind, but the node will still reset itself ~5 minutes later.

So while it sucks a bit to go up to a node and find just worms or something, keep in mind that if they had taken everything that node would not have been there at all, and since it all resets in the same time frame anyway... well is it really a problem?

worms are cool....

more bait.

NewBlacksmurf

danno8 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You mean "would it be viable to have craft nodes and treasure chest respawns work exactly the same way they currently work"?

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

@UrQuan

Did they change pc or something yesterday so things aren't left behind

No, things are left behind, but the node will still reset itself ~5 minutes later.

So while it sucks a bit to go up to a node and find just worms or something, keep in mind that if they had taken everything that node would not have been there at all, and since it all resets in the same time frame anyway... well is it really a problem?

@danno8

Yes it's still a problem that's why it's a thread every month since the game released. Also I'm not sure that the 5 minutes makes any sense because what we're discussing is why have a mode with worms so I'll go out thinking it's a chest or node when it's just trash that often sells for 0

If after 60-90 secs it should dissaper and follow the reset which is much better. I'd rather not see left over nodes at all

UrQuan

Tavore1138 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You mean "would it be viable to have craft nodes and treasure chest respawns work exactly the same way they currently work"?

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

Are you sure - I've stood over chests and nodes for some time without seeing a respawn from an unlocked one with a 'Use' next to it (not for testing just because sometimes something comes up irl)?

Yes, I'm sure. It's been confirmed by devs, and tested in-game by players. You can test it yourself - eventually the node/chest that's been left with something in it will despawn and later a new one will appear. If you time it, and then time the same respawn after fully looting the same node/chest you'll find that the time is very similar (although not identical because respawn timers depend on variables such as zone population).

UrQuan

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You mean "would it be viable to have craft nodes and treasure chest respawns work exactly the same way they currently work"?

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

@UrQuan

Did they change pc or something yesterday so things aren't left behind

No, things are left behind, but the node will still reset itself ~5 minutes later.

So while it sucks a bit to go up to a node and find just worms or something, keep in mind that if they had taken everything that node would not have been there at all, and since it all resets in the same time frame anyway... well is it really a problem?

@danno8

Yes it's still a problem that's why it's a thread every month since the game released. Also I'm not sure that the 5 minutes makes any sense because what we're discussing is why have a mode with worms so I'll go out thinking it's a chest or node when it's just trash that often sells for 0

If after 60-90 secs it should dissaper and follow the reset which is much better. I'd rather not see left over nodes at all

So you're saying you'd rather have things that other players may find useful disappear so that nobody can get them, just because you personally don't like finding those things? Even though it doesn't negatively impact you in any way, because you can just leave those same things behind if you don't want them, and it doesn't delay the respawn at all? That's really selfish.

BlackSparrow

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You mean "would it be viable to have craft nodes and treasure chest respawns work exactly the same way they currently work"?

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

@UrQuan

Did they change pc or something yesterday so things aren't left behind

No, things are left behind, but the node will still reset itself ~5 minutes later.

So while it sucks a bit to go up to a node and find just worms or something, keep in mind that if they had taken everything that node would not have been there at all, and since it all resets in the same time frame anyway... well is it really a problem?

Yes it's still a problem that's why it's a thread every month since the game released.

There's a thread every month since the game released because most people don't understand how it works. I didn't know this either, until someone who had seen previous discussions on the subject explained it.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Also I'm not sure that the 5 minutes makes any sense because what we're discussing is why have a mode with worms so I'll go out thinking it's a chest or node when it's just trash that often sells for 0

I wish I found more nodes with worms. My angler's always running out of those.

Betheny

Instead the node should force people to take "all or nothing". If they don't have space in their bags for all of it then they'll have to exit the node and delete stuff in their bags to make some space.

phairdon

Yeah. Auto loot should be compulsory for nodes & chests.

DeadlyPhoenix

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

I'd rather force people to empty nodes or leave as-is. No partial harvesting. If you want to share the contents of a chest, trade stuff face to face.

The downside is forcing to clear inventory. To avoid that, items left in partially looted node should be destroyed.

Seems less than optimal, but might be needed as long as there are idiots who leave things behind.

The most friendly approach though is probably just having nodes timeout after 30 seconds if partially looted.

This wouldn't work in my opinion simply because there have been times back before the craft bag, when I would be completely full on inventory space and not realize it until I already activated the node and I can't loot those 2 kutas I just got off one rune. (It really has happened) if they auto deleted when I close the loot window I would be extremely upset to lose the very thing I'd been scavenging so long for.

I do agree that having them respawn 30 seconds to a minute after the window is CLOSED though would be the best solution. That way you have enough time to delete one or two useless items from your inventory and then retrieve your goodies before they disappear into Oblivion.

Betheny

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

This wouldn't work in my opinion simply because there have been times back before the craft bag, when I would be completely full on inventory space and not realize it until I already activated the node and I can't loot those 2 kutas I just got off one rune. (It really has happened) if they auto deleted when I close the loot window I would be extremely upset to lose the very thing I'd been scavenging so long for.

That would be a case of too bad for being oblivious.

All or nothing nodes need to happen.

NewBlacksmurf

UrQuan wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You mean "would it be viable to have craft nodes and treasure chest respawns work exactly the same way they currently work"?

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

@UrQuan

Did they change pc or something yesterday so things aren't left behind

No, things are left behind, but the node will still reset itself ~5 minutes later.

So while it sucks a bit to go up to a node and find just worms or something, keep in mind that if they had taken everything that node would not have been there at all, and since it all resets in the same time frame anyway... well is it really a problem?

@danno8

Yes it's still a problem that's why it's a thread every month since the game released. Also I'm not sure that the 5 minutes makes any sense because what we're discussing is why have a mode with worms so I'll go out thinking it's a chest or node when it's just trash that often sells for 0

If after 60-90 secs it should dissaper and follow the reset which is much better. I'd rather not see left over nodes at all

So you're saying you'd rather have things that other players may find useful disappear so that nobody can get them, just because you personally don't like finding those things? Even though it doesn't negatively impact you in any way, because you can just leave those same things behind if you don't want them, and it doesn't delay the respawn at all? That's really selfish.

@UrQuan

Yes because consider you're still going to get the trash but you're also getting what you went to that mode for or the chest.

Nodes are a RNG system so if ppl partially loot and even if the 5 minute timer applies, it's One Tamriel so because of the frequency of these threads......5 minutes is too short and I don't believe the 5 minutes is a global timer.

It seems to reset every time it's touched because I've chose not to loot, and ppl end up in chat saying hey who left all these worms or white runes behind. I didn't time it tho

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

I think they should be all or nothing. I'm sick of these cherry picking ***holes.

danno8

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You mean "would it be viable to have craft nodes and treasure chest respawns work exactly the same way they currently work"?

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

@UrQuan

Did they change pc or something yesterday so things aren't left behind

No, things are left behind, but the node will still reset itself ~5 minutes later.

So while it sucks a bit to go up to a node and find just worms or something, keep in mind that if they had taken everything that node would not have been there at all, and since it all resets in the same time frame anyway... well is it really a problem?

@danno8

Yes it's still a problem that's why it's a thread every month since the game released. Also I'm not sure that the 5 minutes makes any sense because what we're discussing is why have a mode with worms so I'll go out thinking it's a chest or node when it's just trash that often sells for 0

If after 60-90 secs it should dissaper and follow the reset which is much better. I'd rather not see left over nodes at all

You don't see another bigger problem with nodes resetting after only 90 seconds?

UrQuan

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You mean "would it be viable to have craft nodes and treasure chest respawns work exactly the same way they currently work"?

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

@UrQuan

Did they change pc or something yesterday so things aren't left behind

No, things are left behind, but the node will still reset itself ~5 minutes later.

So while it sucks a bit to go up to a node and find just worms or something, keep in mind that if they had taken everything that node would not have been there at all, and since it all resets in the same time frame anyway... well is it really a problem?

@danno8

Yes it's still a problem that's why it's a thread every month since the game released. Also I'm not sure that the 5 minutes makes any sense because what we're discussing is why have a mode with worms so I'll go out thinking it's a chest or node when it's just trash that often sells for 0

If after 60-90 secs it should dissaper and follow the reset which is much better. I'd rather not see left over nodes at all

So you're saying you'd rather have things that other players may find useful disappear so that nobody can get them, just because you personally don't like finding those things? Even though it doesn't negatively impact you in any way, because you can just leave those same things behind if you don't want them, and it doesn't delay the respawn at all? That's really selfish.

@UrQuan

Yes because consider you're still going to get the trash but you're also getting what you went to that mode for or the chest.

Nodes are a RNG system so if ppl partially loot and even if the 5 minute timer applies, it's One Tamriel so because of the frequency of these threads......5 minutes is too short and I don't believe the 5 minutes is a global timer.

It seems to reset every time it's touched because I've chose not to loot, and ppl end up in chat saying hey who left all these worms or white runes behind. I didn't time it tho

I'm sorry, that was not very coherent. I have no idea what you're even trying to say there.

Let's be perfectly clear, here's how it currently works:

Say a node contains bast, ancestor silk, and a worm.

Person A comes along and takes the bast and ancestor silk while leaving the worm behind.

The respawn timer has now begun, and it will now take X minutes for the node (which contains only a worm) to despawn and for a new one to spawn in the same spot. If person A had taken the worm as well, the timer would have begun at the exact same time, for the exact same length.

If person B comes along before the despawn/respawn has occurred they'll be able to take the worm if they want it.


What you're asking for is this:

Say a node contains bast, ancestor silk, and a worm.

Person A comes along and takes the bast and ancestor silk while leaving the worm behind.

The worm and the node will immediately vanish, and the respawn timer has now begun, and it will now take X minutes for the node (which contains only a worm) to despawn and for a new one to spawn in the same spot. If person A had taken the worm as well, the timer would have begun at the exact same time, for the exact same length.

If person B comes along before the respawn has occurred they'll have no opportunity to take anything.


In other words, there's absolutely no difference between the 2 scenarios except that if person B finds worms to be useful (as many people do) he doesn't get to have one in your scenario, while in the scenario that currently exists he gets one.

Can you explain why you think your scenario is better? It benefits exactly nobody, and takes something away from the people who are happy to take the things that others leave behind in nodes.

Aquanova

Even though the nodes/chests do respawn after someone has activated them regardless if they didn't take all the loot, I'd still prefer making it an all or nothing loot system. Saves time and frustration.

danno8

UrQuan wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You mean "would it be viable to have craft nodes and treasure chest respawns work exactly the same way they currently work"?

Because what you suggest is literally exactly the way they work now. The respawn timer starts as soon as someone "closes" the node/chest. It doesn't matter if they've looted everything or left stuff behind. You can test this easily yourself.

@UrQuan

Did they change pc or something yesterday so things aren't left behind

No, things are left behind, but the node will still reset itself ~5 minutes later.

So while it sucks a bit to go up to a node and find just worms or something, keep in mind that if they had taken everything that node would not have been there at all, and since it all resets in the same time frame anyway... well is it really a problem?

@danno8

Yes it's still a problem that's why it's a thread every month since the game released. Also I'm not sure that the 5 minutes makes any sense because what we're discussing is why have a mode with worms so I'll go out thinking it's a chest or node when it's just trash that often sells for 0

If after 60-90 secs it should dissaper and follow the reset which is much better. I'd rather not see left over nodes at all

So you're saying you'd rather have things that other players may find useful disappear so that nobody can get them, just because you personally don't like finding those things? Even though it doesn't negatively impact you in any way, because you can just leave those same things behind if you don't want them, and it doesn't delay the respawn at all? That's really selfish.

@UrQuan

Yes because consider you're still going to get the trash but you're also getting what you went to that mode for or the chest.

Nodes are a RNG system so if ppl partially loot and even if the 5 minute timer applies, it's One Tamriel so because of the frequency of these threads......5 minutes is too short and I don't believe the 5 minutes is a global timer.

It seems to reset every time it's touched because I've chose not to loot, and ppl end up in chat saying hey who left all these worms or white runes behind. I didn't time it tho

I'm sorry, that was not very coherent. I have no idea what you're even trying to say there.

Let's be perfectly clear, here's how it currently works:

Say a node contains bast, ancestor silk, and a worm.

Person A comes along and takes the bast and ancestor silk while leaving the worm behind.

The respawn timer has now begun, and it will now take X minutes for the node (which contains only a worm) to despawn and for a new one to spawn in the same spot. If person A had taken the worm as well, the timer would have begun at the exact same time, for the exact same length.

If person B comes along before the despawn/respawn has occurred they'll be able to take the worm if they want it.


What you're asking for is this:

Say a node contains bast, ancestor silk, and a worm.

Person A comes along and takes the bast and ancestor silk while leaving the worm behind.

The worm and the node will immediately vanish, and the respawn timer has now begun, and it will now take X minutes for the node (which contains only a worm) to despawn and for a new one to spawn in the same spot. If person A had taken the worm as well, the timer would have begun at the exact same time, for the exact same length.

If person B comes along before the respawn has occurred they'll have no opportunity to take anything.


In other words, there's absolutely no difference between the 2 scenarios except that if person B finds worms to be useful (as many people do) he doesn't get to have one in your scenario, while in the scenario that currently exists he gets one.

Can you explain why you think your scenario is better? It benefits exactly nobody, and takes something away from the people who are happy to take the things that others leave behind in nodes.

I don't agree with what they want, but clearly they don't want to be lured to nodes that don't have what they appear to be (ore nodes with no ore, wood nodes that have no wood etc...) because they find it to be a waste of their time.

theher0not

Make nodes and chest despawn 30 seconds after the first opening of them. That would solve the issue.

Alternativley they could keep it but start the "respawn timer" for it as soon as someone loots it and then once that timer tuns out all loot is lost and it is replaced by a new one.


I don't think force loot is a good way to solve it, that would just cause too many problems (for example if a player only clooses the tab to clear out inventory and the items get destroyed. Or if they are sent trough mail everyone would abuse for what would effectivley be a free crafting bag)

mariskaas

I did not know a timer was on there since I feel I still encounter half looted things a lot. And it is still annoying, I am not going to stand over a node waiting for it to respawn. Please just use common courtesy, it is not hard to destroy those worms/lockpicks/whatever you find you don't like. I also like all or nothing.

UrQuan

theher0not wrote: »

Make nodes and chest despawn 30 seconds after the first opening of them. That would solve the issue.

Alternativley they could keep it but start the "respawn timer" for it as soon as someone loots it and then once that timer tuns out all loot is lost and it is replaced by a new one.

*facepalm*

Why is it so difficult for people to actually read a thread before adding in their 2 cents? As has already been explained in this very thread your "alternatively it could work like this" method is exactly how it already works. The "issue" in this thread is a complete non-issue, it's just that most people don't understand how the respawn timer works.