Housing Blueprint Drop Rate

Uriel_Nocturne

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Is it supposed to be this bare/low?

Since Homestead dropped, I've found all of three (3) Blueprints. I'm not paying the exorbitant prices for them at the Guild Traders, but while I routinely perform the tasks that they're supposed to drop from, it seems that the RNG chance percentages are set far too low.

Either that or RNGsus hates me.

I bought one medium house for Gold, despite my... well, hatred for this absolutely bare-bones Housing offering, but my wife wanted a house for our Khajiit. So I'm trying to furnish it, but the vendors don't offer ANYTHING worthwhile, and the blueprints aren't coming.

Was this your design, ZOS? To dangle the carrot out there, then reward the players with nothing? Or was this a scam-artist method of herding everyone to the *** Crown Store?

The more I play the game with this abortion of a Housing update installed, the more I *** hate it.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

I think the point is so you aren't just getting blue prints left and right so you have to depend on othersome to find and sell them, helping the player econony. Maybe. Idk.

DM_ESO

PS4 NA, I haven't found the drop rate to be low. I found about a dozen last night while not even looking for them. All in chests, drawers, barrels, and crates.

Heartwood has been hard to find though.

Uriel_Nocturne

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

I think the point is so you aren't just getting blue prints left and right so you have to depend on othersome to find and sell them, helping the player econony. Maybe. Idk.

Nice try at a little dig, but no. That's not my issue.

I'm not asking for every *** blueprint in three days, but I at least want them to drop regularly. Especially since the crafting style of the received blueprint is also on an RNG table.

Of the three blueprints I've received, I have received an Argonian tent (a *** TENT), a Redguard chair, and a Bosmer *** leather wall section/screen.

It's a Khajiit House, inhabited by our two Khajiit characters.

The sheer amount of RNG mixed with the low drop rate is pure bull ***.

This doesn't tempt me to hit the Crown Store to fork over real world money. This just makes me wish more and more that I could play the *** game without this abortion of an update!!!

jensenty

Might just be your luck though. I've played around 50 hours since Homestead release and have gotten at least more than 50 of them, most them green with a few blue and purples.

Nestor

Well, recipes are just part of it. Wait until you start looking for the mats you need. Then your gaskets will really pop.

Just go buy stuff for gold, I think the selection changes at each merchant

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Home_Goods_Furnishers

Uriel_Nocturne

Nestor wrote: »

Well, recipes are just part of it. Wait until you start looking for the mats you need. Then your gaskets will really pop.

Just go buy stuff for gold, I think the selection changes at each merchant

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Home_Goods_Furnishers

I'm finding the special mats left and right at most every Crafting node I hit. That's not my issue.

My issues are with the blueprint drop rate. If i can ever find something I'd use (or ever find any more of them), I'll have plenty of crafting mats.

And as I said above, I'm not paying the exorbitant prices that they're currently being listed for.

*** Side note: I'm not going off on you. My frustration is towards this abortion of an update, and towards this update alone. You are trying to help, and I am not trying to take it out on you or anyone else but the money-grabbers at ZOS. ***

Mephisto939

Cold harbor bank, desks, drawers, cabinets. Log off and back on. I get a pattern every other log on.

nexxus_ESO

If you want Khajiit blueprints, you're supposed to have a better chance of them dropping in AD zones. Make sure you're actually opening containers in the correct faction. Look for delves that have a lot of containers and open everything.

Prices on blueprints are already dropping drastically on console. Stuff that was being sold for 10, 20, 30k on day 1 is now lucky to sell for 1, 5, 10k. The problem with traders is that people shove things in there for day 1 prices, and don't bother to update it until it expires and gets sent back to them. Give it a month, use that time to farm mats (because you'll need it!) and then shop around on traders when everyone gets their ridiculously priced crap back and relists it for a decent price. The supply will be much bigger by then too, and here will be a ton of duplicates to choose from.

Decorating your house was not intended to be done in 3 days, or even three weeks time; it's a slow and gradual process. The crown store is for the impatient people.

Cold Harbor is a great place to look for blueprints, nothing counts as stealing, so I recommend hitting it up and doing a loop through all the buildings and containers a couple of times a day. If you aren't opposed to theft and laundering, there are a couple of ships in Glenumbra that you can make loops through too. (This won't get you exclusively Khajiit plans though, but there's no rule saying you have to use exclusively Khajiit furniture in a Reaper's March house.)

Nestor

The NPC Merchant prices are not that bad, at least the ones I have seen. The prices for Achievement Trophies are.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I'm finding the special mats left and right at most every Crafting node I hit. That's not my issue.

Special Mats are just a part of it, your going to need lots of other stuff. 20 to 50 Style Mats per item made, Flour, lots of Flour, Rakeipas, etc etc etc. I think ZOS has poked into our crafting bags and set this up to suck out all the excess we have in there.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zjp0byRyjqQAopZhcWqConJsQiVZQQqH4fxo22qxJc8/edit#gid=0

BlackSparrow

Give it a little time. Furniture blueprints have a drop rate that is similar to provisioning recipes. Right now, it feels low, but it won't be too long before you have more than you know what to do with.

Three weeks after PC release, I have 163 recipes. I needed to create an Excel spreadsheet just to track them all. (Though note that I've been deliberately farming them, so that's probably higher than most)

If you really want to buckle down and get blueprints, you can farm them pretty easily anywhere where there are a lot of containers... delves, crafting spots, cities, etc. One round around a fully upgraded Hollow City usually gets me 3 or 4, and the same for an hour of farming a good stealing route with my thief.

I agree this update could have been implemented better... no doubt about that. I'm of the strong belief that they should have released the new mats a month early, so people would have time to accumulate them, and I agree that what's available on the NPC vendors is abyssmal.

For now, I'd set Housing aside. Give it a month to mature while you go and do whatever you enjoy doing in this game... doing dungeons, questing, PvP, RP, whatever. Then, after a month, start shopping at the guild stores for recipes, mats, and furnishings; the market will have stabilized into decent prices by then. Check to see what recipes you've personally accumulated, and start using the mats you've gathered to make them.

I absolutely agree that the first week of this update was The Worst, capital T and W. But it gets better. Give the system time to age, and you start seeing the big picture that the devs were going for.

...though not having lightable fireplaces available without spending Crowns is still pretty BS.

Myrrah

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Well, recipes are just part of it. Wait until you start looking for the mats you need. Then your gaskets will really pop.

Just go buy stuff for gold, I think the selection changes at each merchant

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Home_Goods_Furnishers

I'm finding the special mats left and right at most every Crafting node I hit. That's not my issue.

My issues are with the blueprint drop rate. If i can ever find something I'd use (or ever find any more of them), I'll have plenty of crafting mats.

And as I said above, I'm not paying the exorbitant prices that they're currently being listed for.

*** Side note: I'm not going off on you. My frustration is towards this abortion of an update, and towards this update alone. You are trying to help, and I am not trying to take it out on you or anyone else but the money-grabbers at ZOS. ***

to avoid the building frustration you are feeling running around everywhere checking everything-park a toon you don't play much in the upstairs of the inn in rawl'kha. loot every container. log off. log back in. do that until you are bored-go do something you enjoy. do it again when you feel like it. will help save your sanity

Sotha_Sil

Blueprints are rare and are not being sold quite often in guild traders. The droprate is ridiculous and must be adjusted. I have been looking in ALL guild stores since launch every 2 hours or so and I have never seen EVEN 1 blueprint for a dark elf trestle, scaled once. I have grinded a lot and never got the ones I was looking for.

mb10

Think it's just you I farmed for like 2-3 hours and got 4 purple, like 8-10 blues and over 25 greens

BreacaT

I take my eight chars once thru cold harbour, hall of the dead in Eastamarch and the boats at Glenumbra (tho they aren't very successful ime).

This usually results in more than a dozen plans for a couple of hours farming.

jedtb16_ESO

have been getting three or four a session.... just through normal play.

a1i3nz

There's a certain public dungeon I won't name but I will say it contains a crap load of urns...

Zypheran

Why do people keep defending this??
The drop rate is awful and it wont get better. The whole Homestead system is locked behind triple RNG gates,
Its a blatant strategy to push people to crown store. Homestead is currently the most arduous grind in game.
Worse still, when you do finally grind for months to furnish your house, it wont actually have any function. The balance between fun, grind and reward is seriously out of sync with this update

LuminaLilly

I do agree that the drop rates for everything should be bumped up. And in no way am I defending the current meta, but I'm adapting to it. The best thing to do is literally dedicate yourself to farming and you'll get what your looking for.

BlackSparrow

Zypheran wrote: »

Why do people keep defending this??
The drop rate is awful and it wont get better. The whole Homestead system is locked behind triple RNG gates,
Its a blatant strategy to push people to crown store. Homestead is currently the most arduous grind in game.
Worse still, when you do finally grind for months to furnish your house, it wont actually have any function. The balance between fun, grind and reward is seriously out of sync with this update

Because for some of us, it's defensible? Because while it's not perfect, some of us do enjoy the work and sense of accomplishment that comes from furnishing our houses?

The grind is the entire point. You may not like it and that's fine, but it's clear that the devs want the core function of housing to be the time and effort it takes to furnish it. This is meant to be something to occupy players for months, to keep people logging in every day to get the next candle... the next carpet... That's the gameplay they set out to provide: rather than giving houses a "function" outside a few bells and whistles, they wanted the core of the gameplay to come from decoration. If decoration wasn't a grind, everyone would be done with their houses in three days and then never touch them again, and that's not something they want.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with how it was implemented. Personally, I will happily criticize the drop rates of some of the materials, and the fact that I have five crafting specialists that I now need to consolidate into one Master Crafter. The update isn't perfect, and it's not for everyone.

But just because you don't see the appeal doesn't mean other people aren't enjoying it in its entirety, in exactly the spirit the devs intended.

Slurg

Yes the drop rates suck. No I don't believe it's a bug. No I don't believe that they will change it if enough people complain.

I think the best thing to do is accept you are just not going to get everything you need to fully furnish a large house immediately through normal game play. No one is being forced into the crown store against their will. Don't buy into the hype. Go do things you enjoy and try to ignore it the best you can until guild store prices come down, if it is that upsetting.

SolidusPrime

I think some of you just don't know where/how to look, honestly.

I run with a group of 4 RL friends...we all get prints from the same places and all have 100ish or so. I doubt that's RNG.

darklordvyperx_ESO

For some reason I've been getting a ton of blueprints. I got like 5 in Mistral (Khenthari'sRoost), just looking around in the buildings. I'm going to do the same in all of the Daggerfall Covenant major cities eventually(DC is all I've completed so far). Of course, getting the blueprints, and having the mats are two totally different things. I bought Mournoth Keep and it's basically bare. Took me two days just to farm the wood to get enough pitch to make one torch. I'm not going to fall into the microtransaction hole by buying furnishings in the crown store. eff that.

TheShadowScout

Personally i suspect a lot of people are farming blueprints right now, and just leave the containers with trash so they don't respawn. At least that is what it feels like to me when I find another nightstand with only a piece of obsidian left and no blueprints for hours, then go elsewhere and get three in one dwemer ruin...

But we shall see how it goes. At least in due time, we will find them all...

SolidusPrime

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Personally i suspect a lot of people are farming blueprints right now, and just leave the containers with trash so they don't respawn. At least that is what it feels like to me when I find another nightstand with only a piece of obsidian left and no blueprints for hours, then go elsewhere and get three in one dwemer ruin...

But we shall see how it goes. At least in due time, we will find them all...

That's exactly what is going on. People had bad looting manners long before the blueprints hit though

I've brought it up in zone chat a few times...a small group of people INSIST that the container respawns just as quick whether you loot everything or not...they feel that by leaving the "junk" there, they are doing lower-level players a favor. Personally I empty everything and destroy the junk.

altemriel

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Is it supposed to be this bare/low?

Since Homestead dropped, I've found all of three (3) Blueprints. I'm not paying the exorbitant prices for them at the Guild Traders, but while I routinely perform the tasks that they're supposed to drop from, it seems that the RNG chance percentages are set far too low.

Either that or RNGsus hates me.

I bought one medium house for Gold, despite my... well, hatred for this absolutely bare-bones Housing offering, but my wife wanted a house for our Khajiit. So I'm trying to furnish it, but the vendors don't offer ANYTHING worthwhile, and the blueprints aren't coming.

Was this your design, ZOS? To dangle the carrot out there, then reward the players with nothing? Or was this a scam-artist method of herding everyone to the *** Crown Store?

The more I play the game with this abortion of a Housing update installed, the more I *** hate it.

well, I was farming the public dungeon in Malabal Tor yesterday, maybe 4 hours (I want the spinner set from there) and I found maybe 3 or 4 blueprints, mostly in the treasure chests and also in barrels or crates

RNGeezus demands you do more offerings, the bloody ones are more prefered!

Shardaxx

I made an elven dresser. You can come round and look at if you want.

I've found about 6 so far, nothing very spectacular except for an awesome painting that I feel very lucky to have found. I guess it will all come in time, as the market gets slowly flooded and the prices drop buying them will become realistic, and we all build up our own collections. Try robbing houses and visit delves and dungeons with lots of containers to search.

BlackSparrow

SolidusPrime wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Personally i suspect a lot of people are farming blueprints right now, and just leave the containers with trash so they don't respawn. At least that is what it feels like to me when I find another nightstand with only a piece of obsidian left and no blueprints for hours, then go elsewhere and get three in one dwemer ruin...

But we shall see how it goes. At least in due time, we will find them all...

That's exactly what is going on. People had bad looting manners long before the blueprints hit though

I've brought it up in zone chat a few times...a small group of people INSIST that the container respawns just as quick whether you loot everything or not...they feel that by leaving the "junk" there, they are doing lower-level players a favor. Personally I empty everything and destroy the junk.

Except chests and crafting nodes, aren't all other containers entirely instanced to you?

Mephisto939

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Personally i suspect a lot of people are farming blueprints right now, and just leave the containers with trash so they don't respawn. At least that is what it feels like to me when I find another nightstand with only a piece of obsidian left and no blueprints for hours, then go elsewhere and get three in one dwemer ruin...

But we shall see how it goes. At least in due time, we will find them all...

No.Containers and backpacks etc... are instanced, not shared. Although I have seen this problem with nodes and chests.

SolidusPrime

Mephisto939 wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Personally i suspect a lot of people are farming blueprints right now, and just leave the containers with trash so they don't respawn. At least that is what it feels like to me when I find another nightstand with only a piece of obsidian left and no blueprints for hours, then go elsewhere and get three in one dwemer ruin...

But we shall see how it goes. At least in due time, we will find them all...

No.Containers and backpacks etc... are instanced, not shared. Although I have seen this problem with nodes and chests.

I don't think this is true. I'm almost certain that it isn't.

I have walked up behind someone immediately after they opened a container that always has 3 items and it had 2. The hidden panels will be cocked open if someone has opened them before you....a container that will have a crafting stone (corundum ect) + lockpick every single time will only have the lockpick after someone passes it.

I think they are only instanced in dungeons.

Ourorboros

No problem for me with drop rate. I've collected several hundred plans since Homestead dropped. Most come from my thief as she steals her daily quota. If you are spending time looking in containers and not finding them, then perhaps your alt is truly unlucky.