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Natch Potes? Now With Poll! (Will ZOS fix AP Values Early?)
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Natch potes thread with a difference.
Because I am a forums warrior and a white knight of fair gameplay, Do you think ZOS will change the AP gains scheduled for next week this week instead to counter EU AP farming?
Edited by Turelus on February 27, 2017 10:13AM Because I am a forums warrior and a white knight of fair gameplay, Do you think ZOS will change the AP gains scheduled for next week this week instead to counter EU AP farming?
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Natch Potes? Now With Poll! (Will ZOS fix AP Values Early?) 68 votes
Yes ZOS will apply their AP fix early.
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5 votes
No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.
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Other.
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✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.Probably never lol
They have said they're going to look at the values and adjust after the double AP weekend (maybe in the double AP weekend thread/post) but that was before they saw what was happening on EU.
I don't think they'll change their stance on it (as per my vote) but it will be interesting to see how much they care about the EU servers and integrity of Cyrodiil.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.I really hope they make some changes to AP gain for taking keeps and rescources; a 10 and 5 minutes cooldown respectively or something simular would be a splendid idea I think. That being said I don't have much hope that they will because then they would have probably mentioned it on ESO Live. So in short; unless a handful of programmers spend the weekend at ZOS HQ instead of with their families, working on a change to this system, then I think we're out of luck.1 -
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Kneighbors✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.Seeing what is going on right now on EU server (i.e. fort flipping every night) this week is going to be AP farm festival.0
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✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.So non-poll related, maybe we can get those treasure maps fixed this week?
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✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.
Awesome, I was only half listening to ESO Live and didn't get a chance to rewatch it yet as I had a busy RP (real RP not AP farming) weekend.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Wrubius_Coronaria✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.If a minority of players are exploiting this system, Zenimax should leave these values and not reduce them by punishing the majority of players. These amount of alliance points are nice rewards for these players who put some efforts for play the map and siege keeps. Not everbody had the chance to play in guildgroup.
And closing haderus (wich is mostly turning flags at bleakers) will be helpful for stop that.0 -
Isbilen✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.If a minority of players are exploiting this system, Zenimax should leave these values and not reduce them by punishing the majority of players. These amount of alliance points are nice rewards for these players who put some efforts for play the map and siege keeps. Not everbody had the chance to play in guildgroup.
And closing haderus (wich is mostly turning flags at bleakers) will be helpful for stop that.
It's not a minority issue. Haderus has locked before the most popular campaign to PvP in. There has been a queue to get in and swap the outpost back and forth.0 -
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✭✭✭Other.AP is some PvP thing right?
I'm far more interested in natch potes memes and I am disappointed there aren't any in this thread.
In fact, the "other" selection should have been "Where's the memes?"Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.AP is some PvP thing right?
I'm far more interested in natch potes memes and I am disappointed there aren't any in this thread.
In fact, the "other" selection should have been "Where's the memes?"
Well get posting then! Can't just come complain no memes and not bring memes! Go! Go! Go!
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Isbilen✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.Patch notes are here, no changes to outpost AP...Edited by Isbilen on February 27, 2017 11:27AM0
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Kneighbors✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.If a minority of players are exploiting this system, Zenimax should leave these values and not reduce them by punishing the majority of players. These amount of alliance points are nice rewards for these players who put some efforts for play the map and siege keeps. Not everbody had the chance to play in guildgroup.
And closing haderus (wich is mostly turning flags at bleakers) will be helpful for stop that.
Minority? Last time I saw it happenning there were top players doing it. Some of servers finest.1 -
XDragonDoomX✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/325237/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-7-8#latest
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[Deleted User]✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.The user and all related content has been deleted.0
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✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »We all know how ZOS operates...
Yup.
Continue to enforce that things like this are fine by taking no action, then not understand why half their population ran around with a cheat engine on.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Azurulia✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.Having done QA for an MMO in the past, I can clearly see there is something else going on here as to why ZoS are not making the change until after the test.
Stop and think about it for a moment.
If the AP is now doubled for gains, what are players far more likely to do?
So with that in mind, again. Ask yourself why ZoS is waiting to make changes until after the test?Edited by Azurulia on February 27, 2017 12:03PMCriminal Scum:
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✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.Having done QA for an MMO in the past, I can clearly see there is something else going on here as to why ZoS are not making the change until after the test.
Stop and think about it for a moment.
If the AP is now doubled for gains, what are players far more likely to do?
So with that in mind, again. Ask yourself why ZoS is waiting to make changes until after the test?
Because they literally didn't know it was an issue when they planned the event.
You can go back and read the 200k AP thread and my wall to see Brian post stats then some time later ask me where it was happening. I have also provided ZOS with full accounts of what happens in PM's which I don't discuss more than that.
This is only an issue on one server (EU PC) and they don't seem willing to step in and effect the gameplay on other servers to stop this abuse.
They're not going to get a lot of valuable data from people during the event other than how many people you can have hidden around Bleakers using macros to stay logged in for ten hours.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Chilla_Deluxe✭✭✭Why do you want reduced ap gains? I for one think ap gains are finally decent for normal people like me who play 3-4 hours daily and have a job/stuff to do etc.. Simply add a cooldown to captured resources/keeps would solve the issue. (You cannot capture and regain ap from the same resource within 10 min or something similar).Edited by Chilla_Deluxe on February 27, 2017 12:12PM__________________________
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Chilla_Deluxe✭✭✭Kneighbors wrote: »If a minority of players are exploiting this system, Zenimax should leave these values and not reduce them by punishing the majority of players. These amount of alliance points are nice rewards for these players who put some efforts for play the map and siege keeps. Not everbody had the chance to play in guildgroup.
And closing haderus (wich is mostly turning flags at bleakers) will be helpful for stop that.
Minority? Last time I saw it happenning there were top players doing it. Some of servers finest.
Yeah exactly "minority", top players don't make up for 90%+ of the population. The minority exploit, therefore, punish everyone else. Makes sense.
Just add a cooldown to ap gains from the same resources for crying out loud.Edited by Chilla_Deluxe on February 27, 2017 12:14PM__________________________
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✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.Chilla_Deluxe wrote: »Why do you want reduced ap gains? I for one think ap gains are finally decent for normal people like me who play 3-4 hours daily and have a job etc.. Simply add a cooldown to captured resources/keeps would solve the issue. (You cannot capture and regain ap from the same resource within 10 min or something similar).
I want reduced gains until a system like you say is ready. Not weeks (month now) of abuse until they finish the next system.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Azurulia✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.Having done QA for an MMO in the past, I can clearly see there is something else going on here as to why ZoS are not making the change until after the test.
Stop and think about it for a moment.
If the AP is now doubled for gains, what are players far more likely to do?
So with that in mind, again. Ask yourself why ZoS is waiting to make changes until after the test?
Because they literally didn't know it was an issue when they planned the event.
You can go back and read the 200k AP thread and my wall to see Brian post stats then some time later ask me where it was happening. I have also provided ZOS with full accounts of what happens in PM's which I don't discuss more than that.
This is only an issue on one server (EU PC) and they don't seem willing to step in and effect the gameplay on other servers to stop this abuse.
They're not going to get a lot of valuable data from people during the event other than how many people you can have hidden around Bleakers using macros to stay logged in for ten hours.
I'll filled in and filed many reports and the like on exploits, etc. so I know how that process goes. Developers are often the most clueless people of what is going on within the games they work on. It's kind of funny really.
However you seriously underestimate the tools at their disposal of what they can see, watch, and monitor during events like these. They won't just start the event and then walk away for a week.
Devs may be clueless, but they're not stupid, no matter how much you may think them to be.Edited by Azurulia on February 27, 2017 12:43PMCriminal Scum:
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Azurulia✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.Chilla_Deluxe wrote: »Kneighbors wrote: »If a minority of players are exploiting this system, Zenimax should leave these values and not reduce them by punishing the majority of players. These amount of alliance points are nice rewards for these players who put some efforts for play the map and siege keeps. Not everbody had the chance to play in guildgroup.
And closing haderus (wich is mostly turning flags at bleakers) will be helpful for stop that.
Minority? Last time I saw it happenning there were top players doing it. Some of servers finest.
Yeah exactly "minority", top players don't make up for 90%+ of the population. The minority exploit, therefore, punish everyone else. Makes sense.
Just add a cooldown to ap gains from the same resources for crying out loud.
I think diminishing returns over X amount of time would be the best way to handle it. The average player would largely be unaffected by it, but those flipping will feel it fast.Criminal Scum:
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.Having done QA for an MMO in the past, I can clearly see there is something else going on here as to why ZoS are not making the change until after the test.
Stop and think about it for a moment.
If the AP is now doubled for gains, what are players far more likely to do?
So with that in mind, again. Ask yourself why ZoS is waiting to make changes until after the test?
Because they literally didn't know it was an issue when they planned the event.
You can go back and read the 200k AP thread and my wall to see Brian post stats then some time later ask me where it was happening. I have also provided ZOS with full accounts of what happens in PM's which I don't discuss more than that.
This is only an issue on one server (EU PC) and they don't seem willing to step in and effect the gameplay on other servers to stop this abuse.
They're not going to get a lot of valuable data from people during the event other than how many people you can have hidden around Bleakers using macros to stay logged in for ten hours.
I'll filled in and filed many reports and the like on exploits, etc. so I know how that process goes. Developers are often the most clueless people of what is going on within the games they work on. It's kind of funny really.
However you seriously underestimate the tools at their disposal of what they can see, watch, and monitor during events like these. They won't just start the event and then walk away for a week.
Devs may be clueless, but they're not stupid, no matter how much you may think them to be.
I don't think them stupid at all, I have a lot of respect for the ZOS staff.
However, It's very clear they were clueless to these events before it took me getting up at 4am going and taking screenshots and posting them on the forums to even realise there was an issue.
So I have two choices, believe they were clueless because they didn't monitor the EU servers, or believe they lied to their player base by posting false information about AP gains.
If they're able to see what's happening on the EU servers (and there is more than enough information on these forums, as well as what I've provided them) then I might actually stay to say they're stupid. This is literally wrecking the AP value on EU PC right now, there are players who have already made over 11mil AP, and now they're doing double rewards.
Most of my post right now are ranting, because I am seriously dumbfounded by ZOS lack of action on this. I was planning to join PvP for the double AP and help out, but now I really am just going to wait for tomorrows release of Torment and go play that.
I'm tired of trying to help ZOS understand, I have posts all over these forums with information to help them on various issues. They stand around wondering why everyone cheats and abuses every issue in their game, yet when the chance to counter it is there they just keep their blinkers on and tell us how wonderful Morrowind is.
I'm sticking to being a filthy casual, this game really isn't worth anything more.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭✭✭No ZOS will leave it as they said and apply AP fix next week.katiesmith12341 wrote: »This forum really shows the "trust"
Trust has been betrayed many times and people are too cynical to believe now.
I want this game to do well as I love it and I love the ZOS staff (they've been fantastic to me with many things) but I just don't hold faith in them on one part of running an MMO which is the integrity of game over cheating/exploiting/unfair play.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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jcasini222ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭Question- if I've been following this right and it's mainly an EU problem, has ZoS ever had different rules for the NA and EU server?
I can't think of an instance where that's happened. Maybe that's a reason they're slow to act. Although I like the timer idea, it may get people to move on faster which is always nice. Although it will also penalize the legit open wall fighting. You know when you show up to bleaks, it's still open and just flipped you engage flip it back but still there isn't enough time to get the wall up before reds show back up. Those are always fun fights but admittedly rare.0
