What If...Pelinal's Was a Monster Set?

brandonv516

1 piece bonus: +magicka/+stamina recovery
2 piece bonus: your weapon/spell damage become the higher of the two

Do you think it would be worth it to put together a hybrid build then?

I'm sure many people here could come up with some sweet ideas.

ForsakenSin

Ohhhhhh i would LOVE to have that ohhh the possibilities THE POSSIBILITIES !!!

@brandonv516 why you make me sad LOL

RouDeR

Remove the crappy slimcraw and put pelenals there

DreadKnight

It's a great idea, I liked my Pelinals hybrid Templar, the problem is though that after playing for a while you come to realise that the biggest flaw with hybrids is the CP system, ultimately you have to choose one or the other (M or S) or spread them out so much that it compromises everything.

raj72616a

but they nerfed the trainee set so what would you use for the 5-piece sets anyway?

brandonv516

DreadKnight wrote: »

It's a great idea, I liked my Pelinals hybrid Templar, the problem is though that after playing for a while you come to realise that the biggest flaw with hybrids is the CP system, ultimately you have to choose one or the other (M or S) or spread them out so much that it compromises everything.

And that's why it wouldn't be overpowered! I'm all about the compromise.

I would literally spend days just coming up with combinations, and then weeks with the work (farming the materials, testing, failing, testing, failing, etc.).

This would be a win for theorycrafters.

Dredlord

I approve of this idea

Solariken

It still would need a buff to also make crit rating the higher of the two values. It needs at least that much or it will forever be useless.

KochDerDamonen

I think this bonus would actually be perfectly fine (read: good ((read: great?))) on a 2-piece. Certainly more interesting of a passive than "major defense buffs 100% of time", and much better than Pelinal's as a 5-piece (really not worth it imo, even if you're dead-set on playing a hybrid)

Huggelz

remove chudan ( or whatever the crappy RoM monster set is) and replace it with this set, perfect idea.

runagate

It'd still be underpowered because skills scale off one pool or the other (magicka and stamina) and CP bonuses would be diluated (elemental expert, etc.)

Asgari

it's a nice idea but I'd rather not see more ivincible players

Jitterbug

RouDeR wrote: »

Remove the crappy slimcraw and put pelenals there

slimy crapcraw

Elsterchen

I guess that would be OP.

Trying to build a hybrid with pelinal and green pact right now, (5h 2m), and i am impressed by the possibilities already.

mesmerizedish

I'd love an opportunity to kill Pelinal Whitestrake in a dungeon, and if it means you can get a monster set out of it, I don't think that's a bad thing.

LordTareq

Make this a craftable 2 piece set. That way us crafters finally have something nice and we won't be forced to look as horrible as most monster sets make us look.

timidobserver

I'd be okay with this. Of course it would have to be nerfed after theorycrafters found the god build with it.

Zinaroth

I wouldn't mind this idea.
Then I could run it with my 5H Black Rose and another 5 piece set on a sword and shield setup.
It could be fun but I doubt it would be good at anything or particularly useful over other setups.

Ahzek

While I initiaially very much liked the idea, this most likely has the very same issue as so many hybrid buff ideas already. Similar to trainee, this provides an opportunity to make a decent hybrid build to screw around with, but it also has potential to push other, already good builds over the top.
For example a 0815 stamplar nowadays could just slap this monsterset on and heal with BoL like a magplar (albeit much less frequently).

psychotic13

Having pelinals as a 2pc is actually a great idea, gives you space for other sets to boost your Stam/Magicka if you're trying to make a hybrid

Elsterchen

Ahzek wrote: »

For example a 0815 stamplar nowadays could just slap this monsterset on and heal with BoL like a magplar (albeit much less frequently).

No, bc healing done does scale with max ressource NOT spell damage. (I tried already )

hmsdragonfly

brandonv516 wrote: »

1 piece bonus: +magicka/+stamina recovery
2 piece bonus: your weapon/spell damage become the higher of the two

Do you think it would be worth it to put together a hybrid build then?

I'm sure many people here could come up with some sweet ideas.

My hybrid DK will be OP I tell you xD

Koensol

My first thought is that would be OP as hell.

olsborg

Best monster set imo (sry to derail the topic)

Indomitable:

1 piece= 400 critical resist
2 piece= Proccs dont deal dmg to you, instead you gain 5 ultimate everytime these f things hit you.

Nifty2g

Huggelz wrote: »

remove chudan ( or whatever the crappy RoM monster set is) and replace it with this set, perfect idea.

@Huggelz Chudan is actually kinda decent in some trials

Zinaroth

Ahzek wrote: »

While I initiaially very much liked the idea, this most likely has the very same issue as so many hybrid buff ideas already. Similar to trainee, this provides an opportunity to make a decent hybrid build to screw around with, but it also has potential to push other, already good builds over the top.
For example a 0815 stamplar nowadays could just slap this monsterset on and heal with BoL like a magplar (albeit much less frequently).

Which would heal for about as much as Dark Deal.
This would actually give Stamplars an option where it could be worth building for, and investing into, magicka / magicka regen for PvP; just like stamsorcs, stamdks and stamblades have with their good support abilities.
Right now stamplars only need magicka for purify, and you don't need to invest into magicka if you run heavy, which you should anyway.
I don't think this set would be any kind of solution to the problem with stamplar build diversity, but it could open up for some cool niche build options in PvP like the one you mentioned.
Would it be OP? I think that would be very hard to say. A global cooldown spent on casting Breath of Life is a global cooldown not spent casting Vigor - both would probably heal for about the same in the end; but relying on Breath of Life would mean less focus on stamina / stamina regen but in turn free up more stamina for offense instead of defense. I think it's very hard to say how strong it would be.

Not sure what an 0815 stamplar is though, could you ellaborate?

hmsdragonfly

Zinaroth wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

While I initiaially very much liked the idea, this most likely has the very same issue as so many hybrid buff ideas already. Similar to trainee, this provides an opportunity to make a decent hybrid build to screw around with, but it also has potential to push other, already good builds over the top.
For example a 0815 stamplar nowadays could just slap this monsterset on and heal with BoL like a magplar (albeit much less frequently).

Which would heal for about as much as Dark Deal.
This would actually give Stamplars an option where it could be worth building for, and investing into, magicka / magicka regen for PvP; just like stamsorcs, stamdks and stamblades have with their good support abilities.
Right now stamplars only need magicka for purify, and you don't need to invest into magicka if you run heavy, which you should anyway.
I don't think this set would be any kind of solution to the problem with stamplar build diversity, but it could open up for some cool niche build options in PvP like the one you mentioned.
Would it be OP? I think that would be very hard to say. A global cooldown spent on casting Breath of Life is a global cooldown not spent casting Vigor - both would probably heal for about the same in the end; but relying on Breath of Life would mean less focus on stamina / stamina regen but in turn free up more stamina for offense instead of defense. I think it's very hard to say how strong it would be.

Not sure what an 0815 stamplar is though, could you ellaborate?

Dark Deal is already OP on hybrid sorc builds. You can streak all day long then dark deal, tada, full mag full hp, you stam pool doens't even move a bit xD

hmsdragonfly

Elsterchen wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

For example a 0815 stamplar nowadays could just slap this monsterset on and heal with BoL like a magplar (albeit much less frequently).

No, bc healing done does scale with max ressource NOT spell damage. (I tried already )

It's easy to get 30k stam and 20k mag if you run tri-stats glyphs. Or 35k stam 15k mag.
The combo Rally+BoL has an insane burst of healing.

hassubhai

RouDeR wrote: »

Remove the crappy slimcraw and put pelenals there

Slimecraw is actually really *** strong

brandonv516

Glad to see that there is an interest in this.

I do agree that some very skilled players could make this OP. For example, this guy @Gottbeard was already really good:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/278303/pelinals-hybrid-bruiser-wolf-build

I still think ZoS should consider it.

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