Will you do smthn with vampires?

Sarru

I think near 60% of PvP players are vampires and other 40% are going to become vampires... Vampires everywhere, PvP became some kind of Twilight saga -_-
In my opinion their survivability is very high, especially with some magicka tanky builds, which have good mobility, survivability and plently dmg. Very often such vampires can tank 5-10 ppl and even kill them. Also they are extremly good against stambuilds, Fighters guild abilities don't help much -_-

NBrookus

Fighters's Guild abilities and fire hurt a LOT. I'd drop vamp in a hot second if there were a magicka option other than mist form in this snare/root-fest that is Cyrodiil.

White wabbit

Sarru wrote: »

I think near 60% of PvP players are vampires and other 40% are going to become vampires... Vampires everywhere, PvP became some kind of Twilight saga -_-
In my opinion their survivability is very high, especially with some magicka tanky builds, which have good mobility, survivability and plently dmg. Very often such vampires can tank 5-10 ppl and even kill them. Also they are extremly good against stambuilds, Fighters guild abilities don't help much -_-

Eye of the storm and I don't think it's any where near the percentages you say

Sarru

White wabbit wrote: »

Eye of the storm

Can you tell how can i use eye of the storm in a stambuild?

White wabbit wrote: »

I don't think it's any where near the percentages you say

Yeah, it may be near 70% - vampires.

White wabbit

Sarru wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Eye of the storm

Can you tell how can i use eye of the storm in a stambuild?

White wabbit wrote: »

I don't think it's any where near the percentages you say

Yeah, it may be near 70% - vampires.

Run a hybrid then or l2p as it's no where as bad as you imply

Ron_Burgundy_79

Sarru wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Eye of the storm

Can you tell how can i use eye of the storm in a stambuild?

White wabbit wrote: »

I don't think it's any where near the percentages you say

Yeah, it may be near 70% - vampires.

1. Yes you can. There's a stamblade on Xbox NA that ran a 2h and back barred a destro staff. His buffed eye of the storm tool tip was 9-10k.

2. I'd like to see what the actual numbers are, but like someone else stated, elusive mist is essential for many classes.

Minalan

It is pretty bad, but vampires are hurting out there with all of the DK's fire leaping. That's the balance part, 20% more damage to fire.

I love how streak and dodge have increasing costs for consecutive casts. Mist form doesn't, that's something that needs consideration since it's a powerful mobility and temporary damage immunity skill.

arkansas_ESO

Minalan wrote: »

It is pretty bad, but vampires are hurting out there with all of the DK's fire leaping. That's the balance part, 20% more damage to fire.

I love how streak and dodge have increasing costs for consecutive casts. Mist form doesn't, that's something that needs consideration since it's a powerful mobility and temporary damage immunity skill.

You don't regenerate magicka or stamina while in Mist Form and can't be healed, though (barring a few special cases like Troll King's proc still healing you and Templar's magic-returning circle thingy returning magicka in Mist Form), so there's already a penalty for spamming.

To the original topic, everybody's a vampire because mobility is king in PVP, and for classes like magic Templar or magic DK that don't have mobility built into their class, Mist Form is the only way to get it. It's not that vampirism doesn't have any weaknesses, because fire damage is everywhere, but that Mist Form is sometimes so necessary that you're better off being a vampire and eating the extra fire damage than not being one.

NBrookus

Minalan wrote: »

It is pretty bad, but vampires are hurting out there with all of the DK's fire leaping. That's the balance part, 20% more damage to fire.

I love how streak and dodge have increasing costs for consecutive casts. Mist form doesn't, that's something that needs consideration since it's a powerful mobility and temporary damage immunity skill.

Damage reduction, not immunity. And you still get gap closer snared and sometimes even rooted while in mistform anyway because reasons. And since you don't regen stats or get healed while in mistform, it has roughly the same penalties on your magicka pool as streaking. Nor can you cast skills or drink potions. If you find yourself spamming mistform, it's usually a very bad sign for your immediate future.

Now gap closers not having an increasing cost penalty or any downside to spamming them... that's a different kettle of fish.

aLi3nZ

As a mage sorc I was just wondering if going vamp is going to make me hurt more from fire damage even with shields up? Only reason I haven't gone vamp is that vma and many players including myself specialise in dealing lots of fire damage.

xboxNA corin6

Sarru wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Eye of the storm

Can you tell how can i use eye of the storm in a stambuild?

White wabbit wrote: »

I don't think it's any where near the percentages you say

Yeah, it may be near 70% - vampires.

My xbox tells me 7% of players have completed chapter 6.
7.76% of players have reached level 50.
4.81% are vampires.
8.32% are werewolves
0.07% are emperors.
Now we know this doesn't nescessarily represent active players, or even players in pvp, but hey, atleast we aren't guessing too much now. Oh this is xbox only too. No idea for the other platforms.

Father_X_Zombie

Fighters guild abilities don't help?.......

A few months ago I hit a guy who was a vamp with a 14k Dawnbreaker (which scales off physical damage)on a mag sorc

I actually got rid of vamp today because of spending half of my time in PvP in burning talons, and the other half getting Dawnbreakered.

Vamps are really not that big of a problem, if you don't like them then play mag Dk

Sarru

Ok, guys, what I've understood from your posts:
1) to kill a vampire I need an ulti ready (FG or destro) - poor vampires (sarcasm);
2) mist form is soooo bad that no one use it (sarcasm) - poor vampires (sarcasm);
3) almost all of you are vampires, I think, that is because vampires are sooo bad and you love pain and hardmode game (sarcasm).

thankyourat

Sarru wrote: »

Ok, guys, what I've understood from your posts:
1) to kill a vampire I need an ulti ready (FG or destro) - poor vampires (sarcasm);
2) mist form is soooo bad that no one use it (sarcasm) - poor vampires (sarcasm);
3) almost all of you are vampires, I think, that is because vampires are sooo bad and you love pain and hardmode game (sarcasm).

Most people are only vampires for mist form, and that's only cause root spam is so toxic and previlant. Undeath is pretty good as well, but if it wasn't for mist form I think alot of people would flat out drop vampire. The only option magicka users have to not get snared to oblivion is mist form. You need your ultimate to kill any good player, and dbos and eots are the most used ultimates in cyrodiil. Mist form is garbage some classes just don't have another option

Ron_Burgundy_79

Sarru wrote: »

Ok, guys, what I've understood from your posts:
1) to kill a vampire I need an ulti ready (FG or destro) - poor vampires (sarcasm);
2) mist form is soooo bad that no one use it (sarcasm) - poor vampires (sarcasm);
3) almost all of you are vampires, I think, that is because vampires are sooo bad and you love pain and hardmode game (sarcasm).
4) Git gud. (Not sarcasm)

Fixed. Most of us tried giving you polite suggestions pointing out vampire weaknesses. I'm done being polite.

Ron_Burgundy_79

Sarru wrote: »

Ok, guys, what I've understood from your posts:
1) to kill a vampire I need an ulti ready (FG or destro) - poor vampires (sarcasm);
2) mist form is soooo bad that no one use it (sarcasm) - poor vampires (sarcasm);
3) almost all of you are vampires, I think, that is because vampires are sooo bad and you love pain and hardmode game (sarcasm).
4) Git gud. (Not sarcasm)

Fixed. Most of us tried giving you polite suggestions pointing out vampire weaknesses. I'm done being polite.

alephthiago

You are either a kid or very new to the game, being a vampire (in the game) is terrible, most of us do it because of ONE SKILL ONLY and that skill does not do what it is supposed to do when you get gap closed and is trying to run away (it snares you anyway) if there was another magicka skill granting mobility and a chance to get away (kinda) or similar i would drop vamp RIGHT NOW.

Do you understand it? No one really wants to be a vampire.

Ron_Burgundy_79

Edit: deleted double post.

Holy Hell apparently the edit just created a 3rd post. RIP.

ZoM_Head

NBrookus wrote: »

Fighters's Guild abilities and fire hurt a LOT. I'd drop vamp in a hot second if there were a magicka option other than mist form in this snare/root-fest that is Cyrodiil.

Yes and no, burning embers + engulfing = useless to a mist form spammer, barely any damage.

A Vampire templar just purges and it ends up being an 8+ minute fight till someone gives up.

leepalmer95

ZoM_Head wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Fighters's Guild abilities and fire hurt a LOT. I'd drop vamp in a hot second if there were a magicka option other than mist form in this snare/root-fest that is Cyrodiil.

Yes and no, burning embers + engulfing = useless to a mist form spammer, barely any damage.

A Vampire templar just purges and it ends up being an 8+ minute fight till someone gives up.

Or until you hit them with a 10k dawnbreaker.

Honestly this forum...

Magplar and mag dk's go vamp because of mist form only.

Fire eats vamps, eye of the storm, other mag dk's.

Trap beast hurts vamps as well as danwbreaker which is pretty much what every stam build is using.

josh.lackey_ESO

Give us a magicka root immunity ability and a lot of people would drop vamp. It's a necessity for any magicka class in pvp because we can't afford to roll out of roots.

Sarru

thankyourat wrote: »

Sarru wrote: »

Ok, guys, what I've understood from your posts:
1) to kill a vampire I need an ulti ready (FG or destro) - poor vampires (sarcasm);
2) mist form is soooo bad that no one use it (sarcasm) - poor vampires (sarcasm);
3) almost all of you are vampires, I think, that is because vampires are sooo bad and you love pain and hardmode game (sarcasm).

Most people are only vampires for mist form, and that's only cause root spam is so toxic and previlant. Undeath is pretty good as well, but if it wasn't for mist form I think alot of people would flat out drop vampire. The only option magicka users have to not get snared to oblivion is mist form. You need your ultimate to kill any good player, and dbos and eots are the most used ultimates in cyrodiil. Mist form is garbage some classes just don't have another option

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Give us a magicka root immunity ability and a lot of people would drop vamp. It's a necessity for any magicka class in pvp because we can't afford to roll out of roots.

alephthiago wrote: »

You are either a kid or very new to the game, being a vampire (in the game) is terrible, most of us do it because of ONE SKILL ONLY and that skill does not do what it is supposed to do when you get gap closed and is trying to run away (it snares you anyway) if there was another magicka skill granting mobility and a chance to get away (kinda) or similar i would drop vamp RIGHT NOW.

Do you understand it? No one really wants to be a vampire.

You can use potions, you can dodge with that small amount of stamina that you have and get CC immunity, instead you are playing vampires and tell me how bad they are -_- So... you love pain and hardmode game, yeah?)
I think we can close theme, vampires said that they are ok. Okay (sarcasm).

Slurg

Yes, I do smithing with vampires.

Metemsycosis

Yeah as a vampire one of the worst things is trap + talons+ skoria + ulti.

But there are options aside from elusive mist : Efficient Purge cleanses snares. Rapid maneuver offers immunity to snares, as does shuffle. If you run trifood or good Regen you can probably use either. (I prefer rapid maneuver on a mageblade) .

Baconlad

There are MANY reasons to be a vampire as a magplar, and not many reasons to NOT be a vampire.

Pros
1: snare/ root immunity through mist form
2: devouring swarm is amazing sauce for 1v2+ in open world play.
3: undeath passive is STUPID effective mitigation. Negates the damage of your dawnbreaker/ fire staff ult down to what would normally be expected or more.
4: 10 mag recovery
5: sneak speed is great for group repositioning trying to keep up with non vamp stamina group mates, also great for 1vX pre- fight possitioning. Also great for mid fight "getting away" as you go into stealth faster. And they fixed the "in combat" bug that used to last for EVER.
6: good excape skill to reposition youself in an out numbered fight.
7: freakin stupid OP skill to use in conjunction with staff ultimate and zerg boming with proxy det, mist form makes templar bombs now possible.
8: glowey eyes
9: awesome skin

Cons
1: health recovery....i mean im a templar so health recovery could be set to zero and i wouldnt care, BoL for lyfe.
2: increased fire damage. Only matters in PvE or raid type situations where there a *** ton of AoE you cant avoid.
3: increased damage through FG passives, again not a big deal, damage negated by undeath passive.
4: snare immunity broken in mist form, only when gap closing, not intentional problem by the devs. But they are unwilling to change it. Due to charge mechanics not hitting target a few years ago. Still not a big deal, you still cant be stunned/ immobilized
5: glowey eyes
6: creepy skin

Thats....thats pretty much it. There are so many benefits to being a vamp its ***.
You try getting chased as a magplar by 5 fire staff wielding toons while not being a vampire. Youll be spamming BOL until you get stunned, youl break free, almost dead, purge if you can and BoL, praying a DK isnt on top of you spamming talons.
But those same guys while being a vampire? You WILL get to your desired chokepoint to kill them, keeping your self properly LOSed and using devouring swarm on cooldown in order to force your way into an offensive possition.

Im telling you, if you dropped vamp because you died to often...it was NOT because of vamp.

I do not like it, i wish templar had everything vampire gave me, but vampire is jelly to a templars slow and sticky peanut butter. Templar also has the worst defense to offense phase change in the game...unless you are a vampire. I hate glowey eyes. They give me a option to remove my stupid glowey eyes i would take it and be happy being forced into vamp

aLi3nZ

aLi3nZ wrote: »

As a mage sorc I was just wondering if going vamp is going to make me hurt more from fire damage even with shields up? Only reason I haven't gone vamp is that vma and many players including myself specialise in dealing lots of fire damage.

No one answered my question

Lord-Otto

aLi3nZ wrote: »

aLi3nZ wrote: »

As a mage sorc I was just wondering if going vamp is going to make me hurt more from fire damage even with shields up? Only reason I haven't gone vamp is that vma and many players including myself specialise in dealing lots of fire damage.

No one answered my question

Yes, enemies will burn through shields.

thankyourat

aLi3nZ wrote: »

aLi3nZ wrote: »

As a mage sorc I was just wondering if going vamp is going to make me hurt more from fire damage even with shields up? Only reason I haven't gone vamp is that vma and many players including myself specialise in dealing lots of fire damage.

No one answered my question

Yes

Lord-Otto

thankyourat wrote: »

aLi3nZ wrote: »

aLi3nZ wrote: »

As a mage sorc I was just wondering if going vamp is going to make me hurt more from fire damage even with shields up? Only reason I haven't gone vamp is that vma and many players including myself specialise in dealing lots of fire damage.

No one answered my question

Yes

Beat you to it, bro!
#winning
=3

aLi3nZ

Ok damn. That is really a major downside in pve and pvp along with dawnbreaker. I guess I can just stack points into elemental reduction though. But seems the main benefits of vamp are a little magika regen, undeath passive and mist form. Just the mist form cost seems a bit high considering you have no regen when it's active. I hope they will add a couple more abilities that have both stamina and magika morphs. It seems werewolf got more quality skills to use in comparison.

Lord-Otto

Werewolves are all about active skills, though. Vamps about passives. And Mist.
Vampires are fairly balanced right now, with great passives and notable, but not dooming, weaknesses. Only Mist is a bit too desirable, atm. But once we finally got the much-requested root immunity and snare reduction, it'll be perfect.