kick timer needs to go

Lynx7386

Been seeing a lot of complaints about this. You should never be receiving a penalty timer at another player's discretion. I can see it happening if you get auto kicked by the game for being afk, or if you quit out of a dungeon for some reason, but it should never be possible for another player to lock you out of the activity finder because they want to act like a prick.

Kneighbors

Group finder never was perfect and required alot of changes. So Homestead patch brought a new version of group finder and now it even become worster. In its current state many people like simply cut their use of GF by 90%.

Talking about kicking, right now sub system is broken. So I'm very hard on the trigger for kicking. NB healer only casting mutagen and doing nothing else? Well I think it's better not to kick him because he is still better than no player at all. So every time someone kicks you, you can laugh at them. Most probably they will not see their sub and will feel sorry for kicking you.

Jemcrystal

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

idk

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

LOL, there is a reason they do not form guilds. The find out just how bad they are running with people of their own kind. Those that are kicking other players are merely looking for players to carry them.

Oakmontowls_ESO

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

Honestly there's a reason they are kicking you. Hybrids don't work in pve. If you want to play around with one stick to solo play or normal dungeons. Hybrids have no place in any sort of "serious" pve content such as vet dungeons or trials.

idk

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

Honestly there's a reason they are kicking you. Hybrids don't work in pve. If you want to play around with one stick to solo play or normal dungeons. Hybrids have no place in any sort of "serious" pve content such as vet dungeons or trials.

Great example of what I posed earlier here. A strong player or a couple of them would not be concerned about the hybrid except for the DLC dungeons. They could carry them easily.

Granted, Hybrids are not very good, but still, one decent dps could carry them easily.

SquareSausage

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Great example of what I posed earlier here. A strong player or a couple of them would not be concerned about the hybrid except for the DLC dungeons. They could carry them easily.

Granted, Hybrids are not very good, but still, one decent dps could carry them easily.

I never kick anyone but I think people are exactly in their right to do so. Not all groups get a 600 CP great DD, so if the group sees a hybrid or a light attack/ heavy attack spammer of sort and they are struggling, kick them.

If it is a high level competent player kicking then shame on them.

Oakmontowls_ESO

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

Honestly there's a reason they are kicking you. Hybrids don't work in pve. If you want to play around with one stick to solo play or normal dungeons. Hybrids have no place in any sort of "serious" pve content such as vet dungeons or trials.

Great example of what I posed earlier here. A strong player or a couple of them would not be concerned about the hybrid except for the DLC dungeons. They could carry them easily.

Granted, Hybrids are not very good, but still, one decent dps could carry them easily.

Well as a general rule for me, unless I'm trying to do a dlc dungeon, I give people a chance and try to help people with their build if they have some glaring issues with it. Sometimes this works and other times we have a dps spamming healing Springs and blazing spear. Luckily I'm a mage blade so i am able to switch my skills and gear around to compensate for these people whether that looks like focusing more on damage as a healer or slotting some extra heals as a dps. And if i random que and get a dlc dungeon with a bunch of low cp people I explain the difficulty of the dungeon and then leave myself instead of trying to kick the lower leveled characters.

disintegr8

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Been seeing a lot of complaints about this. You should never be receiving a penalty timer at another player's discretion. I can see it happening if you get auto kicked by the game for being afk, or if you quit out of a dungeon for some reason, but it should never be possible for another player to lock you out of the activity finder because they want to act like a prick.

Can you propose how the game tells which one is the prick - the one doing the kicking or the one being kicked?

A group should certainly have the right to vote to kick someone from a dungeon who is being rude, or is getting in the way of the dungeon completion. Quite often these people should be prevented from using group finder for longer than 15 minutes, but I don't know how they program the game to decide if the person being kicked deserves it or not.

Getting rid of the timer is the only answer, not removing the right to kick.

flguy147ub17_ESO

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

Honestly there's a reason they are kicking you. Hybrids don't work in pve. If you want to play around with one stick to solo play or normal dungeons. Hybrids have no place in any sort of "serious" pve content such as vet dungeons or trials.

Dude i got kicked on a normal dungeon before even the first pull. It was normal Spindle and others in the group had CP but i didnt, i switched platforms but i know wtf i am doing, played since PC beta. I barely had enough time to do one dungeon run that night and them kicking me caused me not to have enough time to try and get group again and run it. Because of the BS system.

Ep1kMalware

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Been seeing a lot of complaints about this. You should never be receiving a penalty timer at another player's discretion. I can see it happening if you get auto kicked by the game for being afk, or if you quit out of a dungeon for some reason, but it should never be possible for another player to lock you out of the activity finder because they want to act like a prick.

Agreee. I think only a very select few actually wanted this. I feel absolutely confidant saying the vast majority of people can think of endless reasons why this would be a terrible implementation. Especially in a pug tool that seldom works in the first place.

Remove the kick timer, finder is way too broken for this sort of thing. Zos needs to tell people to stop taking getting kicked from a group as a personal attack. Drop the ego, que again.

disintegr8

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

Honestly there's a reason they are kicking you. Hybrids don't work in pve. If you want to play around with one stick to solo play or normal dungeons. Hybrids have no place in any sort of "serious" pve content such as vet dungeons or trials.

Sorry dude, if you don't like hybrid builds in dungeons, stay away from group finder. I choose to run a self sustaining characters because I use group finder and it is easier to capable of looking after myself than relying on others.

If I am using group finder for dungeons on my DPS, I know I might get a rubbish healer or a pretend tank. If I queue on my healer or tank I know I might get rubbish DPS. I want to be prepared in these situations to carry on and complete the dungeon rather than kick people and wait for replacements just because they do not fulfill my expectations.

Anyone who wants to be picky about who they run with or what build others have should get away from group finder.

EDIT: There are very few Vet dungeons that I would consider serious PVE content, most can be completed with less than 4 people.

LadyLavina

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

voting to kick someone from a group doesn't make someone an elitist lol

Argruna

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

LOL, there is a reason they do not form guilds. The find out just how bad they are running with people of their own kind. Those that are kicking other players are merely looking for players to carry them.

I'm curious about this because I just had a dungeon where the person who queued as healer only panicked heal. As in the tank is almost dead and I'm sitting there on my baby sorc spamming my clannfer heal to keep me alive and the twilight matriarch's heal trying to keep the tank and someone else alive on top of trying to dps the mobs/boss/etc down. Meanwhile the healer is busy dpsing away. So was the tank, the other dps and I looking for a carry when we kicked the healer who made it feel like they decided to skip the long queue for dps and queued as a healer to circumvent it thinking, lol everyone has self heals anyway? Some kicks are legit. How often they happen just depends on the people you run with. If you are seeing that many kicks happen from people that just want a carry, say freaking no to it. Not that hard to do.

Ep1kMalware

disintegr8 wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

Honestly there's a reason they are kicking you. Hybrids don't work in pve. If you want to play around with one stick to solo play or normal dungeons. Hybrids have no place in any sort of "serious" pve content such as vet dungeons or trials.

Sorry dude, if you don't like hybrid builds in dungeons, stay away from group finder. I choose to run a self sustaining characters because I use group finder and it is easier to capable of looking after myself than relying on others.

If I am using group finder for dungeons on my DPS, I know I might get a rubbish healer or a pretend tank. If I queue on my healer or tank I know I might get rubbish DPS. I want to be prepared in these situations to carry on and complete the dungeon rather than kick people and wait for replacements just because they do not fulfill my expectations.

Anyone who wants to be picky about who they run with or what build others have should get away from group finder.

EDIT: There are very few Vet dungeons that I would consider serious PVE content, most can be completed with less than 4 people.

Same dude. Any solid player with a maelstrom setup can carry 3 terrible players through 95% of any dungeon. And pugging with a capable friend almost guarantees you don;t get fed up with group mechanics.

Ep1kMalware

Argruna wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

LOL, there is a reason they do not form guilds. The find out just how bad they are running with people of their own kind. Those that are kicking other players are merely looking for players to carry them.

I'm curious about this because I just had a dungeon where the person who queued as healer only panicked heal. As in the tank is almost dead and I'm sitting there on my baby sorc spamming my clannfer heal to keep me alive and the twilight matriarch's heal trying to keep the tank and someone else alive on top of trying to dps the mobs/boss/etc down. Meanwhile the healer is busy dpsing away. So was the tank, the other dps and I looking for a carry when we kicked the healer who made it feel like they decided to skip the long queue for dps and queued as a healer to circumvent it thinking, lol everyone has self heals anyway? Some kicks are legit. How often they happen just depends on the people you run with. If you are seeing that many kicks happen from people that just want a carry, say freaking no to it. Not that hard to do.

I que as a healer kn my dps O_o But you;re not going to die unless you try for it. XD

Oakmontowls_ESO

disintegr8 wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

Honestly there's a reason they are kicking you. Hybrids don't work in pve. If you want to play around with one stick to solo play or normal dungeons. Hybrids have no place in any sort of "serious" pve content such as vet dungeons or trials.

Sorry dude, if you don't like hybrid builds in dungeons, stay away from group finder. I choose to run a self sustaining characters because I use group finder and it is easier to capable of looking after myself than relying on others.

If I am using group finder for dungeons on my DPS, I know I might get a rubbish healer or a pretend tank. If I queue on my healer or tank I know I might get rubbish DPS. I want to be prepared in these situations to carry on and complete the dungeon rather than kick people and wait for replacements just because they do not fulfill my expectations.

Anyone who wants to be picky about who they run with or what build others have should get away from group finder.

EDIT: There are very few Vet dungeons that I would consider serious PVE content, most can be completed with less than 4 people.

read my second post also it is kind of selfish of them to want to not pull their weight in a dungeon by gimping themselves with a hybrid build. Yes it is possible to compensate for subpar playstyles but why should this be the responsibility of the people that know how to play the game. Basically these "elitist" players have every right to expect other people to pull their own weight in a dungeon. This being said I am still going to continue to not kick people unless necessary but you really can't get mad at people kicking people because they are gimping themselves with hybrid builds.

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

Honestly there's a reason they are kicking you. Hybrids don't work in pve. If you want to play around with one stick to solo play or normal dungeons. Hybrids have no place in any sort of "serious" pve content such as vet dungeons or trials.

Dude i got kicked on a normal dungeon before even the first pull. It was normal Spindle and others in the group had CP but i didnt, i switched platforms but i know wtf i am doing, played since PC beta. I barely had enough time to do one dungeon run that night and them kicking me caused me not to have enough time to try and get group again and run it. Because of the BS system.

Those people are honestly idiots to kick you from a normal dungeon like that. They are soloable with minimal difficulty.

Volrion

Nobody has any obligation to carry you if you're not adequately contributing to the group.

Ultimately people don't want to kick others. They just want a smooth run.

The vote to kick has to be unanimous. You can't really argue with that.

If you get kicked, it's your own fault.

Be a team player. If you're lacking, fix your weakness, whatever it may be.

If that means grinding more CP or fixing your build, then so be it.

**Yes I've been kicked before, and instead of coming here and QQing I did some research and optimized my play style. I used to be a BoL spam healer (When I was around 300cp and didn't know any better) and was kicked from a CoS pug group when fighting Veledreth because I kept running out of Magicka during the sustained fight and wasn't doing my job. Everyone else was at CP cap and had cleared before. It was obvious I was the weakness. Up to that point my flaws had never been pointed out to me as every other dungeon (including all other DLCs) had never been a problem.

After that kick, I went away, fixed my weakness and came back a couple of weeks later and got the clear with a different pug group. (Our group when I cleared for the first time was average 400cp too which made it feel even sweeter.)

I'm at cap now and I carry people daily, and will try to help those struggling with some advice if I can.

But if you're low cp or hard casting frags or light bow attacks, well sometimes the kick has to made lol

Ep1kMalware

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

Honestly there's a reason they are kicking you. Hybrids don't work in pve. If you want to play around with one stick to solo play or normal dungeons. Hybrids have no place in any sort of "serious" pve content such as vet dungeons or trials.

Sorry dude, if you don't like hybrid builds in dungeons, stay away from group finder. I choose to run a self sustaining characters because I use group finder and it is easier to capable of looking after myself than relying on others.

If I am using group finder for dungeons on my DPS, I know I might get a rubbish healer or a pretend tank. If I queue on my healer or tank I know I might get rubbish DPS. I want to be prepared in these situations to carry on and complete the dungeon rather than kick people and wait for replacements just because they do not fulfill my expectations.

Anyone who wants to be picky about who they run with or what build others have should get away from group finder.

EDIT: There are very few Vet dungeons that I would consider serious PVE content, most can be completed with less than 4 people.

read my second post also it is kind of selfish of them to want to not pull their weight in a dungeon by gimping themselves with a hybrid build. Yes it is possible to compensate for subpar playstyles but why should this be the responsibility of the people that know how to play the game. Basically these "elitist" players have every right to expect other people to pull their own weight in a dungeon. This being said I am still going to continue to not kick people unless necessary but you really can't get mad at people kicking people because they are gimping themselves with hybrid builds.

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I don't do dungeons. If ZoS gets rid of kicking I will try them again. Let the elitists form elitist dungeon guilds and leave the sight seer players alone. My hybrids want to party too.

Honestly there's a reason they are kicking you. Hybrids don't work in pve. If you want to play around with one stick to solo play or normal dungeons. Hybrids have no place in any sort of "serious" pve content such as vet dungeons or trials.

Dude i got kicked on a normal dungeon before even the first pull. It was normal Spindle and others in the group had CP but i didnt, i switched platforms but i know wtf i am doing, played since PC beta. I barely had enough time to do one dungeon run that night and them kicking me caused me not to have enough time to try and get group again and run it. Because of the BS system.

Those people are honestly idiots to kick you from a normal dungeon like that. They are soloable with minimal difficulty.

Yup. 'Elitests' have every right to feel annoyed at such things. Doesn't mean we don't try. But sometimes like every other human being alive we have days where we just want to play more casually, and can't, because everyone around you is in heavy armour with a staff, zookeeping, doing generally rude things amd screaming on the mic should you politely request someome stop doing an action.

Honestly, I'd prefer to just leave. But if I had a chojce between kicking you or waiting a full 15 minutes,.. well.. I tried to reason with you.

disintegr8

Ran my first group finder dungeons last night and it looks like they have completely stuffed it anyway.

Somebody declined the first 'ready' vote, we lost the queued status and I had to requeue the 3 of us. Then we didn't all arrive once we got a group. As group leader I was able to kick the one who did not arrive, without a vote, and it showed the group as 'queued', presumably waiting for a replacement DPS and we did not get one. I was then able to disband the group.

I wouldn't worry about being kicked at the moment, maybe when it is working properly - if ever.

kyle.wilson

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Been seeing a lot of complaints about this. You should never be receiving a penalty timer at another player's discretion. I can see it happening if you get auto kicked by the game for being afk, or if you quit out of a dungeon for some reason, but it should never be possible for another player to lock you out of the activity finder because they want to act like a prick.

Learn how to tank, then queue as a tank. You'll never have issues with groups again. After I finish a random, I queue again. I'm in the next group before I'm kicked out the previous dungeon. Plus groups are less willing to kick tanks and heals, because they might not find another one for a while.